Dalembert!!!
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Sac.Kings
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Im not sure. I seen some of Philly's games and he seems to get in foul trouble. However, he is a very good rebounder and a good shotblocker, perhaps the most cheapest shotblocker but definetly not the worst. I would go after Alonzo Mourning seeing as he is a free agent. Ben Wallace is also a free agent, but getting him would be as close to impossible as you can get. Dalembert is a good player with very good potential. We sure like Philly's players for some reason.
nbrans
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I wouldn't trade Miller for him, but if they'd take some of our lesser parts I wouldn't mind him as a backup. He's just very clumsy and boneheaded. He's still really young, but that's a mighty big contract for someone who is still very raw, and hasn't improved at all in three seasons.
SacTownKid
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To be honest, I don't see the Maloofs making the investment. Guys like Chandler and Damlembert are probably out of the running b/c we won't trade Brad for them, and they have scary deals.
I wouldn't mind him though. He is very young, overpaid, but could help us right away.
I wouldn't mind him though. He is very young, overpaid, but could help us right away.
loopymitch
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I don't know about trading Brad for him but I wouldn't mind seeing him as a King. I think his potential is being stifled in Philly. He could do a lot better elsewhere, not sure if it would be in Sac. but it could be worth a shot.
Well we have to give up somebody to get him. And I don't really want us to part ways with Bonzi and Artest. Also the Kings have changed with the addition of Artest. They are getting more defence-oriented and Brad Miller doesn't really fit well in the new style of play.
Also Dalembert has shown that he can play well against pressure. He had a really good series against the Pistons last year. Also their contracts are similar. I think that Philly would have to thrown in change, someone like Wille Green. He could be the back up point guard. Could be the next Bobby Jackson.
Also Dalembert has shown that he can play well against pressure. He had a really good series against the Pistons last year. Also their contracts are similar. I think that Philly would have to thrown in change, someone like Wille Green. He could be the back up point guard. Could be the next Bobby Jackson.
bibbyweb said:
LOL, I forgot for a second what team we were talking about. Philly can have those guys back. 
They trade us K9, Corliss, and Skinner for Webber so why shouldn't we expect Dalembert for K9 and Corliss, other than the fact that they gave us those guys and they would probably be sore at Philly for trading them and then going back to Philly. I'd expect a lot greener pastures over in Philly minus AI though so who knows. K9 would have to come off the bench for Webber though and we know he doesn't like the bench.
Corliss is an attractive big expiring contract so he would probably rot on the bench like he is with us.
I like Dalembert, but he is a real clumsy ogre kind of guy. He is still pretty athletic, kind of a "Baby Hue" type of guy, I think he has lots of potential in the future though.
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VF21 said:
Brad Miller is a really bad defender and the way our team is shaping up right now with greater focus on defence, we need a good defender even if he doesn't have Miller's passing and scoring abilities. This series has just highlighted his deficiencies. Also, he must be the oldest 29 year old in NBA. Another couple of years and he we can have Vlade back and he would be quicker than Miller. So in another year or so Miller's contract will be the overblown one.
Dalembert is exactly what we need. He has had a bad year, but he was injured for an extended period. Billy King is in a trading mode and we could get a good deal.
I don't want Miller out, but I want Dalembert in. And having 2 players playing the same position at 10 million each is something not really financially feasible, hence Miller needs to be traded.
As for trading with Philly, huh??? What does past trades have to do with anything. We are interested in a player we make a deal.
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nbrans said:
I agree with you to an extent except I think his contract is too big to swallow. He'd really make things difficult for us when we're ready to sign a free agent in the future.
Short term: yes
Long term: no
Even without his injuries this year, he's proved many critics correct: He's a one trick pony who's scoring or rebounding will never catch up to his shot blocking. We might as well get Diop for millions less.
Bricklayer
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MrBiggs said:
Two trick pony -- rebounding is excellent, and boards at a faster rate than any current King. And of course reboudning and shotblocking are the two things we need. So if he were out there, woould have to at least be a consideration.
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beemerr23
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Agreed.Bricklayer said:
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MrBiggs
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Bricklayer said:
8 rbpg were fine last year. He's got the contract, he's got the athleticism...he should easily be a double digit rebounder. If you haven't noticed, I'm not a huge stat fan. You have to question what's going on in practice to ensure that he's not getting the minutes to be a big time rebounder.
Bricklayer
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MrBiggs said:
He IS a big time rebounder. You give him the minutes, he grabs the boards.
Not being a stat fan can't possibly be the same thing as saying a guy who grabs 8 rebounds in 38min is the same as a guy who grabs 8 rebounds in 26min. That just makes no sense. Give me a platoon of Jeff Foster and Reggie Evans at PF and they are going to crush you on the glass regardless of neither guy having a huge overall number himself.
These are the major players who outrebounded Dalembert per48 this season:
Jeff Foster 17.4
Reggie Evans 17.3
Marcus Camby 17.2
Dwight Howard 16.2
Tyson Chandler 16.1
Erick Dampier 15.8
Kevin Garnett 15.6
Ben Wallace 15.3
Ditkembe Mytumbo 15.3
Tim Duncan 15.2
Jamaal Magliore 15.1
That's it. Nobody else. Dalembert is right up there wiht the best rebounders in the league, regardless of whetehr his other limitations keep him on the bench sometimes.
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beemerr23
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That's pretty amazing...imagine if we picked up someone like that, we'd absolutely dominate the boards.Bricklayer said:
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MrBiggs
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Bricklayer said:
The bottom line is that his play doesn't justify his pay. 10 million a year for a guy who can't string together enough offensive stability to garner him 35 minutes a night? The 76ers invested in him like he's their future superstar and he hasn't risen to the occasion.
Bricklayer
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beemerr23 said:
Hey, give me anyone off that list, with the exception of Deke (too old) and I'm pretty happy (depending on price of course). I think kind of the stats behind the reason so many of those guys have been talked about on here as potential pickups.
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Bricklayer
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People make much of Dalmebert's contract, but he is still quite young, and it is not THAT big. $8 mil this year. For comparison that is less than Corliss and Vitaly make together. Less than $2 mil more than Kenny. Acceptable if he's a major minute rotation guy, let alone if he develops into your starting center.
acisking
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While I wouldn't mind picking up a good shotblocker or a rebounder...I personally feel that there is a great deal of merit to be had in keeping Brad Miller. With the fantastic post game of Artest, Wells, and Abdur-Rahim....the Kings need to have outside shooters to deal with those double teams (like the ones San Antonio was throwing at them in Game 4) in kick out situations. In this light, Miller is the perfect complement to our trio of low post players. Sure he might have serious deficiencies...but his contributions seem to outweigh his weaknesses.
acisking
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To be honest, I am not even sure if a Kings team with a healthy Bonzi and Artest is really in as much trouble in rebounding as people seem to think. A shotblocker, on the other hand, is absolutely essential. If we can somehow acquire one with a reasonable contract, while retaining the services of Miller....the Kings would arguably have one of the more versatile front courts in the NBA.
Bricklayer
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acisking said:
Dirty little secret we don't talk about around here -- Ron is not a good rebounder.
Love what Bonzi brings there, but depending on your OG to get you 8 rebs a night as a long term strategy is just really stretching it. And remember, down the stretch we had Bonzi & Kenny together, and we were still getting beat on the boards. Now if you replace Kenny -- the replacement guy has to be at least as good just to hold us even. And realistically what you have to do to ever become a GOOD rebounding team, is resign Bonzi, replace Kenny with someone as good, and replace Brad or Reef with somebody considerably better. Bonzi is playing out of his head right now, but he can't be 12rebs for us for whole seasons. Let alone the shotblocking of course.
nbrans
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Few things:
#1. Dalembert and Reggie Evans are good rebounder, but they're not good defenders. That's a crucial difference. If you're going to bring someone in to be that non-offense starting 4, they had better be good at defense AND rebounding. If someone is just a rebounding specialist they're not going to help the team as much as someone who can score 15 points a game. Think about it -- the best rebounder will raise the team rebounding total maybe two or three boards a game on average, giving the team a few extra possessions. That's 4-6 points. Shareef is going to score more than that. Unless they're contributing point-stopping defense, someone who is solely a good rebounder is not going to help the team very much. Obviously someone who is an outstanding rebounder can be a game-changing force when they're also good defenders and scorers (i.e. Bonzi), but not so much if they can't contribute in other ways.
#2. Ron is not a good rebounder. The Kings are a better rebounding when Ron is on the floor. Who knows whether it's his boxing out, or his contagious energy or what, but the stats bear this otu.
#1. Dalembert and Reggie Evans are good rebounder, but they're not good defenders. That's a crucial difference. If you're going to bring someone in to be that non-offense starting 4, they had better be good at defense AND rebounding. If someone is just a rebounding specialist they're not going to help the team as much as someone who can score 15 points a game. Think about it -- the best rebounder will raise the team rebounding total maybe two or three boards a game on average, giving the team a few extra possessions. That's 4-6 points. Shareef is going to score more than that. Unless they're contributing point-stopping defense, someone who is solely a good rebounder is not going to help the team very much. Obviously someone who is an outstanding rebounder can be a game-changing force when they're also good defenders and scorers (i.e. Bonzi), but not so much if they can't contribute in other ways.
#2. Ron is not a good rebounder. The Kings are a better rebounding when Ron is on the floor. Who knows whether it's his boxing out, or his contagious energy or what, but the stats bear this otu.
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Bricklayer
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nbrans said:
I've mentioned before -- those stats are completely bogus. As I recall we are a better rebounding team with Brad on the floor too. While the Pistons are worse with Big Ben on the floor. There IS a point where stats go too far and just no longer make sense. No idea what went wrong wiht those stats, but something is just foul there.
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