Dalembert vents over diminished role

I look at a team like the Celtics who may lose out on Perkins this offseason. Thats a team Dalembert should be looking to go to. One where his defense and rebounding, the ONLY things he can do, is all they need from that position. We aren't talented enough to have him on the floor at 30 minutes a night every night.

Exactly. I've been saying the same for some time now. Dalembert would be great on a contender like The Heat, Celtics, Lakers, Magic, or even OKC where he could be primarily a defender. Those teams aren’t in need of scorers so they can afford to have a defensive C who scores less than 10 PPG and often less than 5.

Maybe two or three years down the road Dalembert would be a great fit once The Kings are a playoff team, but right now, he’s a terrible fit because they can’t afford to have a guy on the floor whose an offensive liability.

Not only is he not a good fit for The Kings right now, but keeping him here and playing him limited minutes is actually doing the guy a pretty big disservice in my opinion. He could really be a valuable piece on a playoff team and if he doesn’t fit in here right now they should ship him off to greener pastures in exchange for someone who actually fits into this current Kings team.
 
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Another new starting lineup. Just what we need! I'm sure this lineup will make them an instant playoff team!
Who's talking playoffs? Are you more concerned with trolling and disagreeing with me every chance you get, instead of applying logic?

Are you telling me you didn't see teh success the Tyreke/Cisco/Omri/Landry/Cousins had a couple games ago, and can't see the logic in trying switching Dally for Landry? What team are you watching?

We're all still waiting for you to post something with substance.
 
Exactly. I've been saying the same for some time now. Dalembert would be great on a contender like The Heat, Celtics, Lakers, Magic, or even OKC where he could be primarily a defender. Those teams aren’t in need of scorers so they can afford to have a defensive C who scores less than 10 PPG and often less than 5.

Maybe two or three years down the road Dalembert would be a great fit once The Kings are a playoff team, but right now, he’s a terrible fit because they can’t afford to have a guy on the floor whose an offensive liability.

Not only is he not a good fit for The Kings right now, but keeping him here and playing him limited minutes is actually doing the guy a pretty big disservice in my opinion. He could really be a valuable piece on a playoff team and if he doesn’t fit in here right now they should ship him off to greener pastures in exchange for someone who actually fits into this current Kings team.

In our situation bigger picture may well come into play. Precisely that long term situation, because it may not actually be that long. We've got another high pick coming, two young stars who are only going to get better and seem to be coming around, and a whole pile of capspace that one of the coowners went on record as saying last week is going to spent this summer. If so premuably that money is going to be spent on vets with the idea that we are going to transform the team, say we are ready, and make a make a playoff psuh next year. Let's say, and these are just example names, we wernt out and spoent money to bring in Tayshaun Prince at SF (unrestricted) and made it too apinful for the Rockets to match on Aaron Brooks at PG. With Brooks, Reke, Prince Boogie and whoever else, still Cisco, Beno, Casspi, another Top 10 pic etc., would we really be so offensively bereft we could not afford a defensive roleplayer? I highly doubt it.
 
In our situation bigger picture may well come into play. Precisely that long term situation, because it may not actually be that long. We've got another high pick coming, two young stars who are only going to get better and seem to be coming around, and a whole pile of capspace that one of the coowners went on record as saying last week is going to spent this summer. If so premuably that money is going to be spent on vets with the idea that we are going to transform the team, say we are ready, and make a make a playoff psuh next year. Let's say, and these are just example names, we wernt out and spoent money to bring in Tayshaun Prince at SF (unrestricted) and made it too apinful for the Rockets to match on Aaron Brooks at PG. With Brooks, Reke, Prince Boogie and whoever else, still Cisco, Beno, Casspi, another Top 10 pic etc., would we really be so offensively bereft we could not afford a defensive roleplayer? I highly doubt it.

I hope that things come together like that next year. If they do, then Dalembert would be a good fit. My gut instinct tellms me that it probably won't be until at least 2012/2013 that The Kings are back in the playoffs, though. Hopefully I'm proven wrong on that.
 
Actually yes, yes he is. Or I should say a bigger impact player. But its obviously in concentrated areas while Jason is just more ok at many things, and good at rebounding. You need the right fit for a guy like Daly, whereas Jason has more chance to be a rotation player just about anywhere (not that Daly isn't a rotation player just about anywhere, but just that his strengths and weaknesses are clearly enough defined that the fit could be awkward in places.

Let's put it this way -- the Heat would be ecstatic to have Samuel Dalembert as their center. He might very well start for Boston. Orlando would love to have him to back up Dwight now that Gortat is gone. If you took Chandler out and swapped him in in Dallas they probably woudln't miss a beat, or at lest no more than half a one. He's more accomplished than either of the guys the Suns have in there. Could be swapped in for Biedrins in Golden State with minimal fuss, Houston would love to have him with Yao out. Charlotte would start him. And on and on. To suggest that all of these teams -- better teams than us --would start him/find him highly valuable, and yet somehow he's not good enough for us, is absurd.

To suggest that he's not worth money he's paid is valid, to suggest he may not fit here with Cousins emergence is possible, to suggest that he isn't any good/isn't good enough for us, the bleeping turds of the league, is, as mentioned, absurd.

Did I say he wasnt any good? If I did I didnt mean too. And its not so much as I think he isnt ANY good for us, or that he isnt/wouldnt be valuable to us.

My point is that like you mentioned, plenty of good teams would love to have him. They would love to have him, and start him, and play him 30+ minutes a night. So lets say Dalembert has 7 good teams ( im sure he would like to play on a good team ) that want to go out and sign him. He has all the leverage in the world. I see no reason why he would sign with us when so many other good teams can offer him things we simply cannot - playing time and a chance to win.

Its not that I dont think his skills are valuable, or that the Kings cant use him, but it would be foolish for us to try and use him like a contender would try and use him.

And yes, right now Dalmbert is the more ... how do I put this.. ahh whatever, he is better than JT. Dalembert has the years on him though, JT could easily be better than Dalembert ever was when he gets a bit older. Ive said it from the offseason that I think we should start Dally and Cousins, but Im not the coach. Westphal should take some of the blame here too. He has been the coach of this team for a year and a half now, and I would say only one player really knows their role.

And who knows, maybe we trade Landry and Dalembert gets happy with the increased minutes, but we still have Whiteside waiting in the wings, and while he is way to much of an unknown at this point to expect big things from, I think you have to keep that in the back of your head.

If the Dalembert story ends how I think it will ( He signs on with a good team in the offseason in the starting center role ) then I will be dissapointed. If we dont want him, or more importantly, if he doesnt want us anymore, we should try and get something for him. Thats kind of where I stand on the whole subject. I hate just letting players walk when the season is over. If Dalembert isnt happy, and Landry isnt happy, and the front office doesnt want them long term anyway, we better trade them.
 
If the rules remain the same, I tend to agree with you. Everyone has to remember that were going to have to bid for his services. He will be an unrestricted freeagent unless we don't renounce our Bird rights to him. I seriously doubt that they'll keep the Bird rights because that would put a cap hold on the salary base until such time we either renounced them, or resigned him. And that cap hold is a whooping $19,369,235.00. A hold that large could put a serious dent in our ability to sign freeagents. By comparison Landrys cap hold is only 6 mil.

But if the rules change, who knows? There might be no Bird rights. The amount of years a contract may extend to, may only be 4 years instead of 6. And with the last two years being a team option. Whatever it may be, the only thing the Kings can control right now is whether to keep him until years end, or trade him before the deadline.

I'd sit down and have a heart to heart with him. If the dude wants 35 minutes a game, then he has to go. If he's willing to live on 20 to 25 in some fashion, and accept the fact that Cousins is the future and he's basicly a backup, then I'd consider having a wait and see at seasons end. But the first thing I'd do is renounce his Bird rights. I'd have a set idea of what I'm willing to pay for his services, and thats as high as I would go. You don't need Bird rights to do that. Someone outbids me, Bye Bye now!

Yeah, with cap space we don't really need his Bird rights. He's not getting a max contract.
 
I'd love to keep him, assuming we actually put him on the floor and let him play, but I don't think it's going to happen. Especially not now that he's complaining about his role with the team.

I find a lot of accidental irony in that last sentence.

He was brought to Sac on the promise that we would give him more PT and more touches than he was getting in Philly, where he felt underutilized. That promise went out the window days after he signed, with our drafting two more 7 footers, and instead he's dropped from 26 minutes a game to 20. I think that anyone in his position would feel like he'd been deceived and betrayed by management, and I fully expected to be hearing that he wasn't happy about it. I predicted this exact situation months ago.

Since our own management's lack of foresight caused this mess, I think we owe it to the guy to trade him to somewhere that really WILL give him minutes. I don't particularly care whether we get great value in return.
 
I'd trade him to Orlando in some way to get us Redick. I don't think Nelson would be a good fit here. If we're going to get a point guard we need a pure PG, and Nelson comes across to me as a scoring PG. Or is he just a pure PG who's good at scoring?
 
#7 in rebounding rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

#4 in shotblocking rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avg48Blocks

This is what he does well. After half a decade of this board complaining about not having a big man who can defend, block shots, and rebound I'm surprised he's not appreciated more. Unless we can get an impact player in return via trade, I hope we can extend him at a reasonable rate. I suspect I'm in the minority on that.

I appreciate him. He's actually my favorite King right now. Probably because he's the best big man defender I've seen on this team in years. His offense is lacking but the guy can defend and rebound, there's no doubt about that. Why he isn't getting playing time is beyond me. JT should not be getting minutes over Dalembert.
 
I was really looking forward to Dally being a King, and enjoyed the brief promise he showed in the beginning of the season.... but man - he has NOT impressed me for quite awhile.

There is simply no way that the Kings can afford Dally's future contract, when he doesn't give enough to deserve it, and is more valuable to other teams than he is to us.

He must be leading the league in per-minute goaltending calls, too. What irks me is that he's been in the league WAY too long to be goaltending the way he has.
And his defense of late has not been impressive whatsoever.

He gets a lot of blocks and RBDs per-minute, but he also gives up more points (and TO's) than most realize IMO.

Let me put it this way - he's nice to have on the bench, but since it's WAY more important to keep developing DMC, Dalembert's cost to the Kings in minutes-on-the-floor opportunity costs, and his expected-salary-in-competition-with-other-teams simply will not be worth it next season.
 
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What i cant understand is his nearly 0 capability on offense, aside from the odd jumpshot here and there. The guy has absolutely no touch around the basket whatsoever
 
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