Dalembert vents over diminished role

"Samuel Dalembert's stay in Sacramento has been short and anything but sweet. The Kings center has been injured, frustrated about the style of play and, of late, more than mildly upset about his diminishing role.

If he isn't exactly demanding a trade, his agent, Marc Cornstein, is in town seeking clarification of his client's role – and is more than a little receptive to a relocation...."

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/06/3303048/ailene-voisin-dalembert-vents.html
 
Sammy and HIS AGENT are looking out for Sam's best interest. He is in a contract year. He needs to play to get the stats to get the most contract $$$ he can.

The Kings need to do whats in their best interest. Lately that has been playing guys who can score in crunch time.

I do think that if Sam or Landry are in the Kings long term plans they should try to sign them to reasonable extensions now. If not then trade them for players that can help the Kings and that are on contracts the Kings can live with.

KB
 
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It must be tough having your minutes cut back behind a 20 year old rookie, but you can't ignore the numbers put up by Cousins in the last few games (22.7 points on 55.8 percent shooting). Does anyone think that Sammy should be getting more minutes with the way Cousins is playing?

Can't blame the guy for being frustrated but at the same time, Cousins is clearly better and deserves more minutes. What I want to know is why they haven't tried moving Cousins to PF and playing him with Sam at C? Or have they and I just don't remember it? It seems like something worth trying to me.
 
Can't blame the guy for being frustrated but at the same time, Cousins is clearly better and deserves more minutes. What I want to know is why they haven't tried moving Cousins to PF and playing him with Sam at C? Or have they and I just don't remember it? It seems like something worth trying to me.

True. There is one starting lineup I would like to see which Westphal hasn't tried.

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Can't blame the guy for being frustrated but at the same time, Cousins is clearly better and deserves more minutes. What I want to know is why they haven't tried moving Cousins to PF and playing him with Sam at C? Or have they and I just don't remember it? It seems like something worth trying to me.

They've played them together on a few occasions. On at least one it was pretty effective. Probably depends on the matchup to some extent. Thats the only way I'd be happy with Dalembert getting more minutes. The important thing for any player in any sport is to know what his or her limitations are. Nothing worse than a player that thinks he's better at something than he really is. Sort of like Ron Artest and his three pt shooting.

I loved the line by Phil Jackson when Kobe complained about Artest constantly shooting three's and missing. Phil said, Well, quit throwing him the ball!
 
He should be starting with Cousins. That's for sure... I really hope they don't trade him. That would just be stupid.
 
I'm sure minutes and role matters to Sammy. But its mainly his next contract that he is most concerned about.

He said "Am I going to play the next five years in a place that is a contender, or am I going to be here, helping this team get better?"

That means he is willing to resign in Sacramento. Honestly Dalembert is probably the best back up center you will be able to find out there. If the Kings don't resign him someone else would love to have him even as a starter. If the Kings want to content for the long haul, they need a solid big that can step in and start and produce if someone is injured. SD is that. If he is willing, offer him $7-$8 mil per yr for 3-4 yrs. Its a bargain honestly for a big thats still relatively young, durable, blocks shots and rebounds.
 
I kinda knew this would come but didn't think it'd be now. I guess it's never too early to position yourself for the Feb trade deadline.

Dalembert is in a contract year and at age 29, likely the last lucrative deal he'll sign. All that mumble jumble about letting him know what direction the Kings want to go is just code word for more playing time. I don't blame him for looking out for #1; Dalembert is probably better off being on a different team. The only thing worse than being on a bad team is being on a bad team that gives you less than 20mins a game.

There is a clash of priorities at work here, The Kings's future rest on Cousins and as long as he behaves and is playing well, he needs those mins. On the other hand, a pairing of Cousins and Daly would mean cutting into the minutes of JT, who I consider an integral part of the Kings' future, be it a rotation player or as a trade bait, JT needs mins to showcase himself.

I've always said that I consider Daly a stop-gap solution, and now it appears the urge for a breakup is mutual, or at least from the side of the player.

I don't take it lightly when both the player and his agent go public about wanting more playing time because it is often a last resort before a trade demand. As much as I like Daly's defense, there is no point for the Kings to keep a disgruntled player who will likely walk away in the summer.
 
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The other problem is PW's rotation is a mess. He claims that Cousins deserves most of the mins at center now...OK I agree with that. But he also thinks on some occasions JT is a better back up @ center than Dalembert. How often would that be true? SD is relatively quick and athletic for a 5. He defends and rebounds better than JT. Both of their offense are inconsistent. JT might have a slightly better jump shot. If Cousins plays 35 mins a game at 5, Dalembert should get the other 13 mins + 15 mins @ PF. There is absolutely no reason why SD should have games where he plays 6 mins. PW's rotation is a mess.
 
#7 in rebounding rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

#4 in shotblocking rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avg48Blocks

This is what he does well. After half a decade of this board complaining about not having a big man who can defend, block shots, and rebound I'm surprised he's not appreciated more. Unless we can get an impact player in return via trade, I hope we can extend him at a reasonable rate. I suspect I'm in the minority on that.
 
#7 in rebounding rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

#4 in shotblocking rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avg48Blocks

This is what he does well. After half a decade of this board complaining about not having a big man who can defend, block shots, and rebound I'm surprised he's not appreciated more. Unless we can get an impact player in return via trade, I hope we can extend him at a reasonable rate. I suspect I'm in the minority on that.

I doubt that we'll extend/resign him, mostly because I doubt that we'd get a reasonable rate. You look at Brendan Haywood's contract (six years, $55 million), and it's hard to reasonably expect that we'd be able to keep Dalembert without giving him big money. I'd love to keep him, assuming we actually put him on the floor and let him play, but I don't think it's going to happen. Especially not now that he's complaining about his role with the team.
 
As long as Cousins starts and gets minutes at the 4 too, I don't mind a regular rotation with Sammy at the 5. Westphal needs to stop trying to make Sam a offensive player though. His only job should be clean ups and rebounds.... maybe an occasional ally oop. Our guards need to stop throwing it inside to him letting him try to create... 9x out of 10 he's gonna turn it over. Westphal is incredibly stubborn if he still thinks he's gonna try to get any offense going to Sammy. There's years of tape from the Sixers where it is plain as day what Sams best use is. Why the heck Westphal felt we could find something different is a mystery.
 
The problem is that we have too many big guys needing minutes. Landry made sense when we needed a low post presence last year. With the emergence of Cousins, that has made Landry more or less expendable. A big man trio of Cousins, Dalembert, and JT is complimentary. Unfortunately, Landry has such a good deal he is actually hard to trade, teams are not going to give up much for a cheap half season rental. Maybe a couple of draft picks from a contender or something. With a bigger contract he would at least be an attractive ender. Dalembert is the much more attractive trading piece but is actually better for the team and the one we shouldn't trade. The front office is stuck between a rock and hard place.
 
What's been interesting to me about Dalembert is that he isn't that great of a defender. Sure, he blocks shots if the offensive player is just standing there trying to shoot over him. But when it comes to defending guys that are in motion around him, he isn't very good at all. He just doesn't have the foot speed. He blocks very few shots put up by guards and threes driving to the basket. If a power player makes a move on him in the post, he's really at a disadvantage if he has to move more than a step or two. Cousins doesn't have Dalembert's length and knowledge of angles on the defensive end, but his foot speed is a lot better. With Cousins much better on the offensive end, there's no surprise about Dalembert's playing time dwindling. He's probably concerned about his upcoming contract.
 
What's been interesting to me about Dalembert is that he isn't that great of a defender. Sure, he blocks shots if the offensive player is just standing there trying to shoot over him. But when it comes to defending guys that are in motion around him, he isn't very good at all. He just doesn't have the foot speed. He blocks very few shots put up by guards and threes driving to the basket. If a power player makes a move on him in the post, he's really at a disadvantage if he has to move more than a step or two. Cousins doesn't have Dalembert's length and knowledge of angles on the defensive end, but his foot speed is a lot better. With Cousins much better on the offensive end, there's no surprise about Dalembert's playing time dwindling. He's probably concerned about his upcoming contract.

Agreed 1000000%. Well said.
 
True. There is one starting lineup I would like to see which Westphal hasn't tried.

Tyreke
Cisco
Omri
Cousins
Dally

Another new starting lineup. Just what we need! I'm sure this lineup will make them an instant playoff team!
 
I doubt that we'll extend/resign him, mostly because I doubt that we'd get a reasonable rate. You look at Brendan Haywood's contract (six years, $55 million), and it's hard to reasonably expect that we'd be able to keep Dalembert without giving him big money. I'd love to keep him, assuming we actually put him on the floor and let him play, but I don't think it's going to happen. Especially not now that he's complaining about his role with the team.

If the rules remain the same, I tend to agree with you. Everyone has to remember that were going to have to bid for his services. He will be an unrestricted freeagent unless we don't renounce our Bird rights to him. I seriously doubt that they'll keep the Bird rights because that would put a cap hold on the salary base until such time we either renounced them, or resigned him. And that cap hold is a whooping $19,369,235.00. A hold that large could put a serious dent in our ability to sign freeagents. By comparison Landrys cap hold is only 6 mil.

But if the rules change, who knows? There might be no Bird rights. The amount of years a contract may extend to, may only be 4 years instead of 6. And with the last two years being a team option. Whatever it may be, the only thing the Kings can control right now is whether to keep him until years end, or trade him before the deadline.

I'd sit down and have a heart to heart with him. If the dude wants 35 minutes a game, then he has to go. If he's willing to live on 20 to 25 in some fashion, and accept the fact that Cousins is the future and he's basicly a backup, then I'd consider having a wait and see at seasons end. But the first thing I'd do is renounce his Bird rights. I'd have a set idea of what I'm willing to pay for his services, and thats as high as I would go. You don't need Bird rights to do that. Someone outbids me, Bye Bye now!
 
Another new starting lineup. Just what we need! I'm sure this lineup will make them an instant playoff team!

No one would suggest instant playoff team. That lineup would solve a lot of problems though if Cousins worked out well at PF (which I think he would). Then JT could come off the bench as PF and C and all three get good minutes.
 
That's interesting and unfortunate, and might well be a reaction to Cousins emergence as much as anything -- as I understood it the flu kept down his minutes in recent games, but the writing may be on the wall there from the agents' perspective.

Frankly Dalembert has given us EXACTLY what was advertised, and exactly what we need. He is right at the top of the league in rebounding and shotblocking rates -- to put it in persepctive he is 7th in the NBA in rebounding rate, .1reb/per 48 behind Blake Griffin, and ahead of Chandler, Blair, Duncan etc. etc., and 4th in the leage in shotblocking rate, AHEAD of Dwight Howard, Marcus Camby, Hibbert, Duncan, and virtually everybody else -- and the shooting percentage is nearly irrelevant given that he takes all of 4 shots per game. I would not give him up right now, UNLESS this very thing happened. He's a major player in the league. Not a star, but a longtime starter/top reserve and one of the best at what he does, and there was always the question of how the minutes were going to play out here. If Cousins emerged, Daly was going to have to be able to play next to him to get his accustomed minutes, and whiel we have experimented with that, and pretty sucessfully, it hasn't become a major part of the game plan. I wonder if the situation will improve once the expected Landry trade is completed. If not and if this continues as an issue we might actually have to consider moving Dalembert or risk just losing him, which would suck. We need what he brings, and in terms of being an impact player, changing the flavor and flow of the game, he is probably the third best guy on the whole team at it. You can fill the minutes he gives with a DeAndre Jordan or somebody who can accept the fewer minutes and say well he's a shotblocker/rebounder too, but he's just a pale imitation, not a guy who can change the whole flavor of the game with it like Daly can.

And his agent wanting to call in to get a "clarification of his role" must have been an amusing conversation. So does everyone else dude.
 
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What's been interesting to me about Dalembert is that he isn't that great of a defender. Sure, he blocks shots if the offensive player is just standing there trying to shoot over him. But when it comes to defending guys that are in motion around him, he isn't very good at all. He just doesn't have the foot speed. He blocks very few shots put up by guards and threes driving to the basket. If a power player makes a move on him in the post, he's really at a disadvantage if he has to move more than a step or two. Cousins doesn't have Dalembert's length and knowledge of angles on the defensive end, but his foot speed is a lot better. With Cousins much better on the offensive end, there's no surprise about Dalembert's playing time dwindling. He's probably concerned about his upcoming contract.

I have to agree with you to some extent. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's not very good, but he's not as good as advertised. I watched him play at Philly, and I thought he was better there. He may still be fighting the lingering effects of his injury, and the fact that he wasn't in the greatest shape when he came to camp. I'm not making excuses for him, and those things may not have anything to do with it. But they might. In any event, he's a one trick pony. And its a good trick when its working. At the moment its not.

I think your right though when you said its all about his contract. This is a contract year for him, and so far, its not working out too well.
 
Sammy and HIS AGENT are looking out for Sam's best interest. He is in a contract year. He needs to play to get the stats to get the most contract $$$ he can.

The Kings need to do whats in their best interest. Lately that has been playing guys who can score in crunch time.

I do think that if Sam or Landry are in the Kings long term plans they should try to sign them to reasonable extensions now. If not then trade them for players that can help the Kings and that are on contracts the Kings can live with.

KB

I don't think we should give any extensions before the new CBA is in place. Another factor would be Whitside's development. If he is progressing well, Dalembert's role diminishes further.

I would love to have him back. He is one the best defensive minded bigs we have had. Not sure if he feels the same way though. In any case, a new CBA might alter the landscape significantly.

I'm not sure about trading him. It would be great if we could send him somewhere, and pick some assets. Given his huge salary, it might be tough. We obviously aren't taking back any salary. Might be able to pull a multi-team trade, but won't be easy with those numbers.
 
I have to agree with you to some extent. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's not very good, but he's not as good as advertised. I watched him play at Philly, and I thought he was better there. He may still be fighting the lingering effects of his injury, and the fact that he wasn't in the greatest shape when he came to camp. I'm not making excuses for him, and those things may not have anything to do with it. But they might. In any event, he's a one trick pony. And its a good trick when its working. At the moment its not.

I think your right though when you said its all about his contract. This is a contract year for him, and so far, its not working out too well.

The numbers all disagree with this you know. Not only the per minute numbers, but the impact numbers. We are -3.7pts a game given up better with him on the floor defensively. We are +2.0pts better with him on the floor overall, third highest +/- ont he team amongst the major players, and miles above Boogie's numbers so far. When he starts he plays 24 min and gives you 5.6pts 8.4rebs and 2.1blks a game, which are damn stout numbers (consider Dallas, a better, winning team that understanda the importance of defensive centers is ecstatic with Tyson Chandler as a starter, and he's going 28min 8.9pts 9.1rebs 1.2blks). The only thing that hasn't worked out has been a trigger happy coach and a young future stud center emerging to take the minutes.
 
The numbers all disagree with this you know. Not only the per minute numbers, but the impact numbers. We are -3.7pts a game given up better with him on the floor defensively. We are +2.0pts better with him on the floor overall, third highest +/- ont he team amongst the major players, and miles above Boogie's numbers so far. When he starts he plays 24 min and gives you 5.6pts 8.4rebs and 2.1blks a game, which are damn stout numbers (consider Dallas, a better, winning team that understanda the importance of defensive centers is ecstatic with Tyson Chandler as a starter, and he's going 28min 8.9pts 9.1rebs 1.2blks). The only thing that hasn't worked out has been a trigger happy coach and a young future stud center emerging to take the minutes.


In no way does the numbers refute anything that Kingster and bajaden said. Blocks and rebounds are just that, blocks and rebound. It does not measure the effectiveness of a guy defending opponents in motion or stopping other good post players.

The basketball stats that we have are incompete and often does not paint the full picture. If it's up to me, I'd add the number of shots altered, number of shots discouraged (when a player elect not to take a shot upon seeing said player in the paint), % of shots scored against within eight feet, number of charges taken, % of shots scored when defending 1v1, % of times when the defending player needs help, and the average distance of all the shots scored against. Then perhaps we can have a better picture of the overall impact of the defensive player. Rebounds and blocks don't tell much. Anthony Randolph is alway stellar in rebounds and blocks per minute, he's one of the worst , if not the worst, defender in the league.
 
#7 in rebounding rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

#4 in shotblocking rate:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avg48Blocks

This is what he does well. After half a decade of this board complaining about not having a big man who can defend, block shots, and rebound I'm surprised he's not appreciated more. Unless we can get an impact player in return via trade, I hope we can extend him at a reasonable rate. I suspect I'm in the minority on that.

I think he is appreciated for those things, but with Cousins in front of him its hard to justify giving him the playing time he wants.

The board has been complaining because we were looking at guys like Brad Miller and Spencer Hawes .. two centers that couldnt rebound or defend, and were limited in what they could do on offense. Of course a big man who can defend and rebound is going to be wanted when your looking at that garbage for 6 years.

Cousins is better than those guys have been the last 5 seasons right now. And he can do half of what dalember does ( rebound ) with much much much better offense. Dalembert is a better defender yes, but Cousins is better at every other thing.

I think Dalembert is a fine player and can start on a different team, but we are near the bottom of the league in scoring. Giving him a lot of minutes ( or even just the minutes he would like ) can be hard when we struggle so much to score.

I would be very happy with a happy Dalembert playing backup center here for a few more seasons, but if we get a better power forward in the near future, pushing JT back to bench... Is dalembert a better player than JT? I dont know. I dont know if this is the team for him.

If we had stars, or potential stars at other positions you can start Dally, but this teams future has alot riding on Cousins, who needs lots of minutes to get in shape/get used to the NBA game.

I look at a team like the Celtics who may lose out on Perkins this offseason. Thats a team Dalembert should be looking to go to. One where his defense and rebounding, the ONLY things he can do, is all they need from that position. We arent talented enough to have him on the floor at 30 minutes a night every night.
 
This may have been posted before but here's an excellent article from Amick regarding Kings trade chatter: http://aol.it/dG0RTK I hope kings get talent in return, not just cap space! Because let's be serious, how many talented/all-star type players are going to sign with us?
 
In no way does the numbers refute anything that Kingster and bajaden said. Blocks and rebounds are just that, blocks and rebound. It does not measure the effectiveness of a guy defending opponents in motion or stopping other good post players.

The basketball stats that we have are incompete and often does not paint the full picture. If it's up to me, I'd add the number of shots altered, number of shots discouraged (when a player elect not to take a shot upon seeing said player in the paint), % of shots scored against within eight feet, number of charges taken, % of shots scored when defending 1v1, % of times when the defending player needs help, and the average distance of all the shots scored against. Then perhaps we can have a better picture of the overall impact of the defensive player. Rebounds and blocks don't tell much. Anthony Randolph is alway stellar in rebounds and blocks per minute, he's one of the worst , if not the worst, defender in the league.

Which is why I included the other numbers -- a lot of people can't see defense. Don't know how to watch it. Many others of course simply have an agenda. But when EVERY defensive stat, individual, or team, points to a guy as a superior defender, then you better bring something more than "I don't think he is".

Dalembert is a GREAT post defneder. An impact post defender. He has had some amazing games making things hell in there for guys. Can he be beat? Sure. In particular when we have put him on certain PFs, the mobility and ability to hit jumpers as well as sometimes taken away his effectiveness. But that's the NBA. Even the best defenders get beat by the best offenders most nights, and Daly typically has to take the toughest defensive matchup every time he is in the game, and given some of our other defenders often has to cover for them as well.
 
I would be very happy with a happy Dalembert playing backup center here for a few more seasons, but if we get a better power forward in the near future, pushing JT back to bench... Is dalembert a better player than JT? I dont know. I dont know if this is the team for him.

Actually yes, yes he is. Or I should say a bigger impact player. But its obviously in concentrated areas while Jason is just more ok at many things, and good at rebounding. You need the right fit for a guy like Daly, whereas Jason has more chance to be a rotation player just about anywhere (not that Daly isn't a rotation player just about anywhere, but just that his strengths and weaknesses are clearly enough defined that the fit could be awkward in places.

Let's put it this way -- the Heat would be ecstatic to have Samuel Dalembert as their center. He might very well start for Boston. Orlando would love to have him to back up Dwight now that Gortat is gone. If you took Chandler out and swapped him in in Dallas they probably woudln't miss a beat, or at lest no more than half a one. He's more accomplished than either of the guys the Suns have in there. Could be swapped in for Biedrins in Golden State with minimal fuss, Houston would love to have him with Yao out. Charlotte would start him. And on and on. To suggest that all of these teams -- better teams than us --would start him/find him highly valuable, and yet somehow he's not good enough for us, is absurd.

To suggest that he's not worth money he's paid is valid, to suggest he may not fit here with Cousins emergence is possible, to suggest that he isn't any good/isn't good enough for us, the bleeping turds of the league, is, as mentioned, absurd.
 
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