Dalembert stillin the mix

[rainmaker]

the first week of the season he played his first game of 30 min he had 8 pts 12 reb 5 blks. How in the hell is that out of shape. it is the same kind of stats he put up at the end of the season. I am sorry i just don't buy this argument when the stats show different. All the proof you guys got is your own words. Nothing tangible in your arguments. And Landry was the reason Daly's min went up. Thats common sense. guess what when min go up so do stats.

That's a pretty poor argument on your behalf.

Most remember the injury, and Daly being out of shape, because it was in the Bee, more than once, and he commented on it, more than once. But it didn't happen because you say it didn't, because he had a good game early on?

What is common sense, is when a player,and corresponding journalist, partake in an interview, where both acknowledge the injury, conditioning, and the cause of both, and to then come to the conclusions, that yes, there was an injury, he was out of shape, and it affected his play. What is a complete lack of common sense, is to read that interview, where player and journalist discuss it, and come away thinking they're both lying, because of the stats from a game.

I don't care either way whether or not you believe the story was printed. It was. I read it. I don't care if you believe the story or not, or what Daly said or not.But claiming that it's lacking common sense to believe one of our players when he said he's injured/out of shape, and discussed it with a Bee journalist, is quite ridiculous.

 

[SacTownKid]

Wonder is Sam knee is still an issue. Remember last season he had knee problems and thats one of the reasons he was in and out come to find out.

Why would Houston be so against signing Daly who at the moment appears to have very few suitors in his apparent price range? They were very high on him until they started to get the ball rolling.

 

[SacTownKid]

To us? He's worth a ton. And we're not signing him to a contract for the first two months of the season. We're trying to lock up a rim protector long term.

This is not the time to sign a potential long term albatross of a contract regardless of any potential need. 2 years 20 million, get 'er done Petrie!

 

[Entity]

my point and the reason this all started was someone saying he was a fatty and wouldn't be worth signing this year. it really wasn't that only game. that was the first he had over 30 min. I could post all 82 games vs. min per game and show you the averages are pretty much the same per min. However the games Tyreke was out he did score more points. that is because he took more shots. i suppose some would argue his fingers we fat the other games so he couldn't shoot as much.

 

[Glenn]

This is not the time to sign a potential long term albatross of a contract regardless of any potential need. 2 years 20 million, get 'er done Petrie!

All players are a potential long term albatross and that is a BIG problem that I have with the contracts that they can sign as opposed to the NFL for example. Anyway, what do you see as some kind of warning sign that he might be a long term albatross?

I am not being any more contentious than this note might show as I honestly do not remember an ongoing knee problem with Daly. Also, I guess I am not as concerned long term as I am concerned that we will suck this year and be a great excuse because of fan disinterest that the Maloofs head to Anaheim. We are not secure in having a team here and perhaps I am being an alarmist but I want to see every effort made to make this season a success.

I can't imagine Daly wanting to sign a 2 year deal because he might have this as his last REAL contract. He will look out for himself and we will look out for ourselves and hopefullly no one gets pig headed.

Not directed at you but a good reason that Daly hasn't signed anywahere may be that he has let other teams know the Kings have the inside track. Hey, it can happen!!

 

[Glenn]

my point and the reason this all started was someone saying he was a fatty and wouldn't be worth signing this year. it really wasn't that only game. that was the first he had over 30 min. I could post all 82 games vs. min per game and show you the averages are pretty much the same per min. However the games Tyreke was out he did score more points. that is because he took more shots. i suppose some would argue his fingers were fat the other games so he couldn't shoot as much.

I'll go with the fat finger argument. You nailed it!

 

[SacTownKid]

All players are a potential long term albatross and that is a BIG problem that I have with the contracts that they can sign as opposed to the NFL for example. Anyway, what do you see as some kind of warning sign that he might be a long term albatross?

I am not being any more contentious than this note might show as I honestly do not remember an ongoing knee problem with Daly. Also, I guess I am not as concerned long term as I am concerned that we will suck this year and be a great excuse because of fan disinterest that the Maloofs head to Anaheim. We are not secure in having a team here and perhaps I am being an alarmist but I want to see every effort made to make this season a success.

I can't imagine Daly wanting to sign a 2 year deal because he might have this as his last REAL contract. He will look out for himself and we will look out for ourselves and hopefullly no one gets pig headed.

Not directed at you but a good reason that Daly hasn't signed anywahere may be that he has let other teams know the Kings have the inside track. Hey, it can happen!!

The fact that he is still on the market and a team like Houston, who could use a player like him even more than this one are apparently not too keen on signing him. That tells you the likely hood of getting out of that contract via trade are slim. All the bells and whistles are going off here and it's really starting to explain why the Kings got him for the package they sent out when he was an expiring.

Hate to be a downer about this one, but I seriously doubt the lack of interest Dalembert has generated has anything to do with the Kings and their willingness to completely move on without him speaks volumes.

 

[rainmaker]

My guess is Daly has quite the ego behind the scenes. He appears to think he's worth more than he is, and is a better offensive player than he is. Not a successful combination in this FA environment, obviously. I also question how great a leader he is behind the scenes. Hayes was getting a lot of compliments from the staff, and apparently he and Cousins were getting along real well. Hayes had leadership qualities, as has been mentioned a few times.

I haven't heard the same about Daly. Now, I still want him here, and really hope he signs, but I do suspect there might either be a leadership issue here, an ego issue, or some combination of both.

 

[ParniValjak]

The fact that he is still on the market and a team like Houston, who could use a player like him even more than this one are apparently not too keen on signing him. That tells you the likely hood of getting out of that contract via trade are slim. All the bells and whistles are going off here and it's really starting to explain why the Kings got him for the package they sent out when he was an expiring.

Hate to be a downer about this one, but I seriously doubt the lack of interest Dalembert has generated has anything to do with the Kings and their willingness to completely move on without him speaks volumes.

Houston are in a very delicate situation here. They are not going to go anywhere as currently constructed and have to make a decision here

1. They either go all out and land a superstar via trade (unlikely) OR
2. Blow the whole thing up and rebuild but in the process sign relatively cheap veterans to provide leadership and direction for the youth (hence still having interest in Hayes)

The last thing that Houston needs to do now is commit to a player that you get when you have most of the other things in place. Houston's interest in Dalembert was based on getting Pau or Marc Gasol to Houston. Their wish was to trot out Dalembert/Gasol frontcourt. Now that Gasols are not an option, they are at the cross roads and need to decide what is the best thing to do.

I suspect they will blow it up and rebuild.

On the other hand, Sacramento is coming out of a rebuild, has most of their needs addressed and need a player like Dalembert to anchor their interior defense. We have our young building blocks in Cousins and Reke. We have the 3rd young gun to complement them in Thornton. We have improved in the SF department but could get better there. Our most pressing need is the interior defense and the need for a player like Dalembert. Sure we would probably like to have Noah more than Daly because of his age and good passing ability but we know that Dalembert works well with Cousins and we know how many fits we have given teams trotting out a monster frontline rotation of 3 guys who are 6'11'' or taller in Dalembert, Cousins and JT.

 

[ParniValjak]

My guess is Daly has quite the ego behind the scenes. He appears to think he's worth more than he is, and is a better offensive player than he is. Not a successful combination in this FA environment, obviously. I also question how great a leader he is behind the scenes. Hayes was getting a lot of compliments from the staff, and apparently he and Cousins were getting along real well. Hayes had leadership qualities, as has been mentioned a few times.

I haven't heard the same about Daly. Now, I still want him here, and really hope he signs, but I do suspect there might either be a leadership issue here, an ego issue, or some combination of both.

And that is a fair comment no doubt but no one is perfect. If you wanted leadership and no ego then you need to pony up more and sign Tyson Chandler. The bottom line is, you get what you pay for but people want to pay less but get the best which is not how it work in real life. Dalembert has had issues of that type throughout his career (want more touches on offense, not a great leader etc) but he is not the only guy that has had those issues and still been a productive player on good teams.

 

[SacTownKid]

Houston are in a very delicate situation here. They are not going to go anywhere as currently constructed and have to make a decision here

1. They either go all out and land a superstar via trade (unlikely) OR
2. Blow the whole thing up and rebuild but in the process sign relatively cheap veterans to provide leadership and direction for the youth (hence still having interest in Hayes)

The last thing that Houston needs to do now is commit to a player that you get when you have most of the other things in place. Houston's interest in Dalembert was based on getting Pau or Marc Gasol to Houston. Their wish was to trot out Dalembert/Gasol frontcourt. Now that Gasols are not an option, they are at the cross roads and need to decide what is the best thing to do.

I suspect they will blow it up and rebuild.

On the other hand, Sacramento is coming out of a rebuild, has most of their needs addressed and need a player like Dalembert to anchor their interior defense. We have our young building blocks in Cousins and Reke. We have the 3rd young gun to complement them in Thornton. We have improved in the SF department but could get better there. Our most pressing need is the interior defense and the need for a player like Dalembert. Sure we would probably like to have Noah more than Daly because of his age and good passing ability but we know that Dalembert works well with Cousins and we know how many fits we have given teams trotting out a monster frontline rotation of 3 guys who are 6'11'' or taller in Dalembert, Cousins and JT.

The interest in Dalembert broke before the Gasol deal even came up. The Gasol deal is what probably messed up the situation for him but the deal they made was clearly not of the rebuilding ilk and they were apparently not into rebuilding before either, would they be now? Maybe, but they were apparently into the idea of adding a C like Daly before the Gasol thing came up.

 

[rainmaker]

And that is a fair comment no doubt but no one is perfect. If you wanted leadership and no ego then you need to pony up more and sign Tyson Chandler. The bottom line is, you get what you pay for but people want to pay less but get the best which is not how it work in real life. Dalembert has had issues of that type throughout his career (want more touches on offense, not a great leader etc) but he is not the only guy that has had those issues and still been a productive player on good teams.

Just making an observation. That's my guess at to why teams aren't interested.

As I said in my previous post, I still want him. But it's also quite clear teams willing to pay Gasol/Chandler/Nene 14M+ per year, would not have done the same for Daly. He isn't in that class, in the minds of many gm's, otherwise he'd be in a training camp right now. I wonder if he accepts that? I wonder if he's demanding to be a prt of the offense. I wonder if he's demanding to get paid like the other 3 bigs did, which won't happen.

I'd also argue however, he's more important to our team than most others. I've said numerous times I'd pay 10M per if his head was in it. I'm simply thinking out loud, about why he's still a FA.

 

[SacTownKid]

My guess is Daly has quite the ego behind the scenes. He appears to think he's worth more than he is, and is a better offensive player than he is. Not a successful combination in this FA environment, obviously. I also question how great a leader he is behind the scenes. Hayes was getting a lot of compliments from the staff, and apparently he and Cousins were getting along real well. Hayes had leadership qualities, as has been mentioned a few times.

I haven't heard the same about Daly. Now, I still want him here, and really hope he signs, but I do suspect there might either be a leadership issue here, an ego issue, or some combination of both.

I think everyone got along with Daly just fine. Cisco even mentioned he was going to try and get him to come back before camp and FA kicked off. There has to be something else going on here though. He's either asking for too much money or there is some other reason we don't know about. As of now, outside of Houston and Sac there are no other teams even able to offer him more than the MLE and with Houston kind of unwilling to look his way, Petrie needs to lowball him if he's interested in bringing him back.

 

[tevans13]

Dalemberts back!!!!!!!!

 

[kingsfan101]

As a tag to this "overpay" concept, we still need to get over the minimum salary hump by the end of the playing season so ths idea that we are overpaying is hard to support. On a team wide basis, by definition set by the league, we are presently underpaying. We have a few players who are absolute bargains.

Agree with most of your post except the above. We don't have "bargains". We have young players on rookie contracts, whom we shall need to pay soon, or risk losing. Next year itself, we shall need to make decisions on JJ, JT and Donte.

I for one, don't mind too much if we are not spending a lot of money. Unless we can get some real impact player (and I count Sam in that, and would love to have him back), there is no point in overpaying, just because we have cap space (or even the minimum threshold).

The main issue is that can Cousins/Evans be our cornerstones? If so, we should look at steady veterans or young prospects that can be obtained on the cheap. Think OKC, who built their team around their two stars with effective role players. They didn't go out and use their space to sign big FAs. They got number of draft picks, Maynor, etc from other teams looking to shed salary. That should be our approach too, even if it's not a popular one here.

 

[Telemachus]

This was just retweeted by Mr. Jones:

christomasson Chris Tomasson
Samuel Dalembert just told me if all goes as planned he will re-sign with Sacramento.

 

[Quix]

This was just retweeted by Mr. Jones:

christomasson Chris Tomasson
Samuel Dalembert just told me if all goes as planned he will re-sign with Sacramento.

sweet baby jesus let this be true.

 

[gunks]

!!!

Yes!!!

 

[Sac.1989]

now we must stick to the plan and resign him. If we can somehow get AK ill be partying on

 

[rainmaker]

We just got a lot better than we were this morning.

 

[Sac.1989]

christomassonChris Tomasson


'No hard feelings’’Dalembert said of Kings “I think we can do something exciting Last season it seemed we were getting the excitement back’


think hes aiming for a short 1 year deal here stating, "lots of guys are doing it" - rather have him signed though a bit longer though

 

[Glenn]

Agree with most of your post except the above. We don't have "bargains". We have young players on rookie contracts, whom we shall need to pay soon, or risk losing. Next year itself, we shall need to make decisions on JJ, JT and Donte.

I for one, don't mind too much if we are not spending a lot of money. Unless we can get some real impact player (and I count Sam in that, and would love to have him back), there is no point in overpaying, just because we have cap space (or even the minimum threshold).

The main issue is that can Cousins/Evans be our cornerstones? If so, we should look at steady veterans or young prospects that can be obtained on the cheap. Think OKC, who built their team around their two stars with effective role players. They didn't go out and use their space to sign big FAs. They got number of draft picks, Maynor, etc from other teams looking to shed salary. That should be our approach too, even if it's not a popular one here.

My use of the term "bargain" was a tongue in cheek twist on the concept of "overpayment." There are rational explanations for each state of mind/finances that are governed beyond the simple cost/benefit basis of the individual contract. Just as a youngster becomes a bargain because he is a rookie, so also can someone be overpaid because he fills a serious need. In fact one team's over paid person might be another's bargain.

I presume I have now effectlively twisted this topic into far more of a complex issue than necesary. For those who don't understand, forget it; it's not worth it. I don't even think I understand what I just wrote.

 

[ParniValjak]

Article on Dalembert's "imminent" re-signing

http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/12/.../landing_heat.html?blockID=630806&feedID=3565

Dalembert, 31, anticipates it will a “one- or two-year deal’’ with the Kings, and that he hopes to firm up negotiations Wednesday. He said getting one year with a player option is a possibility.

“A lot of guys are doing it,’’ Dalembert said of a short-term deal. “Like Greg Oden, Kwame Brown, Kris Humphries (who all signed one-year deals).’’

Dalembert didn’t disagree his contract could be the general range of $7 million per season, which is what Brown got from Golden State. But he said it could depend on whether the contract is for one or two years.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...OUR STARTING CENTER FOR OUR SACRAMENTO KINGS...SAMUEL DALEMBERT!!!
Welcome back Sammy!!!

per @christomasson of FoxSports Florida - Sacramento Kings about to land free agent center Samuel Dalembert again. #nbakings #nba -- News10_CA (@News10_CA)

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Wait...if Sammy is only signing for $7 mill, thats lowball...are we signing AK47 too??

 

[Entity]

Wait...if Sammy is only signing for $7 mill, thats lowball...are we signing AK47 too??

No pt for Garcia or Greene tonight either instead Honeycutt at SF. makes you wonder

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

No pt for Garcia or Greene tonight either instead Honeycutt at SF. makes you wonder

Yeah...I've got a feeling Geoff's not done yet...I do believe we'll see another new face in our lineup during the blackout next Monday...FADE TO BLACK!!!

 

[upinsmoke]

No pt for Garcia or Greene tonight either instead Honeycutt at SF. makes you wonder

GP might also be showcasing Honeycutt.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

GP might also be showcasing Honeycutt.

Yeah that too

 

[SacTownKid]

Wait...if Sammy is only signing for $7 mill, thats lowball...are we signing AK47 too??

Yep, would be perfect too. Exactly what I wanted personally.

I read earlier that AK is almost a lock to go to New Jersey. Don't know how true but I think he's not coming here if he comes back at all.