Dalembert stillin the mix

[Jkbiker]

Samuel Dalembert is the best free agent big out there on the market right now.
Problem for him is the market is shrinking and he may not get paid like he hoped.
The Houston Rockets are out of the running, tweets David Aldridge of TNT and NBA.com.
Sources: Rockets, at the moment, taking a pass ($) on Dalembert, leaving return to Kings as s possibility.
That the Rockets are out says a lot about what Dalembert is asking — right now they have Jordan Hill as the best center on their roster. Houston is desperate for a big, yet they walked away.

Remember that Dalembert was on the Heat’s radar but thought that the mid-level exception ($5 million per year) was not going to be enough. He’s a good defensive center who wants to get paid.
Right now the Kings can offer the most money (Bird rights) but what is their motivation? This is a small market team that doesn’t want to be bidding against themselves. After that there are some teams with the mid-level (not the Heat, Shane Battier got it) but that’s about it.
Don’t be shocked if Dalembert ends up with a shorter-term deal (two year with an opt-out after one?) so he can try this again next year.



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Bird Rights? I thought we had no advantage over any team with Cap Space?
Whats our motivation? Is this guy kidding?
Sounds pretty good to me!!!!
2 yrs with Sammy option for 2nd?
If unit does well together this year maybe Sammy will stay another year
or extend contract if not we have time to draft a big or trade for one

Geoff - just do it!!!

 

[NoBonus]

Personally, seeing how Sammy is out of shape (so how many real, top level Sammy games are you going to get of the 66? 40?) and he wants a big payday (I mean who doesn't, all those peanuts and caramel, delicious).. I personally, would rather spend the dough on a guy the team actually wants around and can contribute to the offense and defense like AK47. Sure, there is a big hole at PF, but I would bet that can be solved via trade involving Salmons before 20 games pass. I like what Dalembert can do, but is he really worth it? If the Kings were planning on running the offense through Hayes at the 4 or 5, those plans are over with Dalembert.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I would love it is Sammy where in great shape, but it is not THAT important for his game.

I can't see him being overweight. Maybe he isn't as cut as he should be, but he is a freak athlete with freakishly long arms. As long as he isn't Eddy Curry size he should be fine. He wasn't in great shape last season, but aside from the knee injury (which he played through) I thought his shape didn't effect how he played.

If this makes him come to us at a lower price, then whatever. I'll take out of shape Sammy for 8 mil then Super shape Sammy for 12. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 

[LWP777]

So doesn't something have to happen soon? Are the Kings below the minimum after voiding Hayes' contract? What the hell is Sammy waiting for? NOBODY else wants him!!

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

So doesn't something have to happen soon? Are the Kings below the minimum after voiding Hayes' contract? What the hell is Sammy waiting for? NOBODY else wants him!!

They were only a few million over the minimum before so they'd have to be under again now. They should just decide who they want more, Sam, or AK, and make one of them a final offer. If they don't take it, offer it to the other one.

 

[gunks]

A Sammy return would make me happy. Dont want to overpay though.

I'm diggin the 2 year with an opt out idea. Gives us another offseason to find a replacement/grow a brain for Hassan.

 

[Kingster]

What's a fat Dalembert worth, anyway? Paying a guy a lot of dough to come into an abbreviated season isn't the message I'd want to send to this young team. Not exactly the role model I'd be looking for.

 

[Bricklayer]

What's a fat Dalembert worth, anyway? Paying a guy a lot of dough to come into an abbreviated season isn't the message I'd want to send to this young team. Not exactly the role model I'd be looking for.

We're not looking for a role model, we're looking for a rim protector. And Dalembert has been one of the steadiest producers in the NBA for a long long time. His per36 numbers barely waver from season to season.

 

[kingsfan101]

They were only a few million over the minimum before so they'd have to be under again now. They should just decide who they want more, Sam, or AK, and make one of them a final offer. If they don't take it, offer it to the other one.

Fair point. But given that we have Salmons, Outlaw, and even Donte to play the 3 position, with Chuck gone, the 4 and 5 positions have a higher priority. So, Sam should be a priority.

 

[Glenn]

We have no Bird Rights to Sammy. We renounced him making him a free agent with no connections whatsoever to Sacramento. Aldridge is mistaken.

For the average NBA ball player, Sacramento is seen as a hell hole. If we want to become a great team (debateable in itself) we will need to offer more money than the average team. We can offer no extra benefits like commercials, celebrity friendships, no spectacular night life, and really, this is a sleepy little town. We have a reputation of cowbells, an arena im the middle of a deserted field, and the fear of getting killed by gettng run over by a stampede of cows. Now, some people like that but let us say there are a lot of players who think this is an awful place to play - read any notes about Chris Webber's reaction to be traded here. This appears to be a fact of life that Sacramento has to deal with.

Chris Webber found out the Sacramento is not what he feared but I am not talking about reality but the perception of this area. Perception is reality in this case.

There is a thread active right now how big name players don't want to come here except for Vlade. All other great talent came by trades or self development.

So how do you get the great players to come here? You offer the universal great motivator: money. For someone you really want, you may indeed have to over pay.

It is difficult to accept that big guys in short pants don't want to be here. But they don't want to be here unlesss they are a Hayes who grew up nearby or Bobby Jackson who is, indeed, an unusual and wonderful guy. We need to over pay to put together a team that can compete. This is my opinion so therefore no one can argue with me. As a tag to this "overpay" concept, we still need to get over the minimum salary hump by the end of the playing season so ths idea that we are overpaying is hard to support. On a team wide basis, by definition set by the league, we are presently underpaying. We have a few players who are absolute bargains.

Our ownership appears poor and disinterested. That works against us and needs to be overcome or who on earth would want to come here? The negatives pile up.

Gear shift: the Kings must fill the arena named with a name as empty as its arena. They simply have to put together a team that can win or shuffle on down the road to Anaheim. All fans want winners and if a winner cannot be guaranteed, they want a team that either puts on a great show or seems to be working as hard as possible to become great. The Kings have to prove to the NBA players that they are serious about building a great team. As of now, the Kings ownership has shown quite clealry that they don't want to be here so why should an athlete want to be here?

The simple measure of an ownership's willingness and motivation to build a winner is to spend money on players. At this point, the Kings' front office has not proven they wish to create a great team. There is still time as signings are not over but there really is only one guy that could be acquired that would convince the casual fan to part with his/her money and that is Daly. Even AK 47 might give an impression that ownership is trying although I see many problems in having AK on our team what with the SF signing and trade we made. we seem to be heading in a different direction than AK. It seems Daly is the only one targeted.

There is a lot at stake. Signing Daly does NOT make us the same team as last year. It leaves us with the same two 4/5s who I think were a scary combo in the middle and had a half a year to develop chemistry both on and off the court. It seemed to me that such chemistry was there. We are not the same team because we have a more experienced Thornton who might be the surprise of the year, we have Salmons with whom the FO has great confidence, and we have increased outside shooting which opens up the court for Reke and every player for that matter who wants to do something in the paint.

We need to fill the arena and the only way you do that, the only way to pick up the casual fan, is to win. I personally think that Daly can make the difference between winning and losing. I think he can make the difference between Kings being in the playoffs and not watching it on TV.

Sacramento has to show it can support a team and being frugal may be good business sense (MAY be) but it also may very well be going the route of the Clippers and not a winning organization.

Spending money in our situation is more than a simple cost vs benefit evaluation of an individual player but a means to overcome a league wide perception which has been even furher damaged by the Maloofs' desire to leave the area.

 

[Bricklayer]

Fair point. But given that we have Salmons, Outlaw, and even Donte to play the 3 position, with Chuck gone, the 4 and 5 positions have a higher priority. So, Sam should be a priority.

This is somewhat unfortunately where I am coming down on this now. Chuck Hayes << Samuel Dalembert as an interior lane stuffer, but Hayes is a very good defensive player, so if he was in and Daly was out at least you would have 1 good defensive player in the frontcourt. But now with Hayes gone, even if you pick up AK you lose that defender/rebounder/roleplayer up front and I don't know how that works. Jason or JJ would have to step up in abig way and dhow a helluva lot more than they did in that first game. Its of course the great value of AK that he makes such a strategy at elast a consideration -- its what the Jazz did for all those years with the Boozer/Okur/Milsap frontcourt -- get your rim protectin form your SF. But the downfall of those Jazz teams was precisely their defense. AK can play that roe and cover somewhat, but is stil going to be guarding aroudn the perimeter too much to be in there every play to close the lane.

 

[Kingster]

We're not looking for a role model, we're looking for a rim protector. And Dalembert has been one of the steadiest producers in the NBA for a long long time. His per36 numbers barely waver from season to season.

Doesn't answer the question: How much would you pay a fat Dalembert? Remember last year he came into camp out of shape. It took him quite a long while to get going. Sounds like he's fatter than last year. Now we only have 66 games, a much more grueling compressed schedule. So how much is fat Dalembert worth?

 

[NoBonus]

Doesn't answer the question: How much would you pay a fat Dalembert? Remember last year he came into camp out of shape. It took him quite a long while to get going. Sounds like he's fatter than last year. Now we only have 66 games, a much more grueling compressed schedule. So how much is fat Dalembert worth?

It's less a question of how much he is worth and more a question of how much a team in Sacramento will need to land him... I am guessing $8-$9 Million per for 3 seasons.

 

[Uncia03]

If we do end up signing Dalembert, then it needs to be for at least 2 seasons, so we can once again obtain his bird-rights. If it's for a lesser contract (Under 10 mil/year) then the cap-hold once the contract is up shouldn't be as prohibitive as it was this time around.
In addition, if it's a 2/3 year deal, we'll mostly be going over the cap to re-sign Tyreke, and if Dalembert is playing really well, we'll want to be able to go over the cap to re-sign him, if that is the move that makes the most sense for us.
So it needs to be a minimum of 2 years so that we have more flexibility in re-signing him, if the combination does work.
A single year contract doesn't give us any leverage/flexibility in retaining him and would result in being more of a stop-gap move, then one to position ourselves better in the years ahead.

My guess is that he's either looking for a massive 1-year deal, or a substantial 3/4 year deal in the 10 mil/year range. Hopefully the Kings FO is working with his agent to get the best deal possible.

Remember, at this time, it does appear as if we're the only team willing to make an offer larger than the MLE, so if we should be angling to get him at a good rate, as there is no need to grossly over-pay for his services. I'd love to see a 3/4 year deal at around 8mil/year, but we'll see how negotiations play out.

I'd also rather hold out and land him a couple of games into the season, if that meant that we could get him for a multi-year deal under 10mil/year. If the bigs on our team can really step it up for the next couple of weeks then that reduces Sammy's leverage and should result in us being able to land him with a better contract. So we should all be rooting for outstanding performances on both the offensive and especially defensive end by JT, JJ, Whiteside, & Donte.

 

[NoBonus]

Yeah, if I am Hickson, Donte, JT, or Whiteside... tonight is the night to shine if ever there was one.

 

[Bricklayer]

Doesn't answer the question: How much would you pay a fat Dalembert? Remember last year he came into camp out of shape. It took him quite a long while to get going. Sounds like he's fatter than last year. Now we only have 66 games, a much more grueling compressed schedule. So how much is fat Dalembert worth?

To us? He's worth a ton. And we're not signing him to a contract for the first two months of the season. We're trying to lock up a rim protector long term.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I want Dalembert back. But it does really pee me off that players get so out of shape, I don't care how much time they have off. And I'm not referring just to Dalembert here, it's about any player in the league. It actually annoys me. How hard is it to stay in shape with all the facilities and resources available to you?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I want Dalembert back. But it does really pee me off that players get so out of shape, I don't care how much time they have off. And I'm not referring just to Dalembert here, it's about any player in the league. It actually annoys me. How hard is it to stay in shape with all the facilities and resources available to you?

I completely agree. I think there should be a clause in contracts that players have to maintain their fitness over the off season. If the don't, penalize them.

 

[Entity]

and all this is based off one guy saying Dally looked out of shape? someone said same about Tyreke and Cousins yet both came in weighing less than they did last season. cousins 20 lbs lighter. So the argument is based off no proof other than a tweet. Im sorry but its an unfounded argument that keeps going up when nobody here has seen a picture or video or in person of Sam.

 

[Section 101]

I completely agree. I think there should be a clause in contracts that players have to maintain their fitness over the off season. If the don't, penalize them.

Some of them to in the form of a bonus if they meet the requirement.

 

[Entity]

Doesn't answer the question: How much would you pay a fat Dalembert? Remember last year he came into camp out of shape. It took him quite a long while to get going. Sounds like he's fatter than last year. Now we only have 66 games, a much more grueling compressed schedule. So how much is fat Dalembert worth?

Dalembert getting goind last year had nothing to do with shape but everything to do with the rotation. Westphals rotatation was crap to start the season. Dalember wasn't the regular starter until midway and thats when Dalemberts stats started to improve. he only played over 30 min in 5 games before feb came around. In those game he double digit rebounds some double digit points and 2 games with 5 blocks 2 of those games were in November. So his contribution was the same at the beginning as it was at the end just Had Carl Landry in the way. Really do some research before you make statements that have no basis whatsoever.

 

[Glenn]

and all this is based off one guy saying Dally looked out of shape? someone said same about Tyreke and Cousins yet both came in weighing less than they did last season. cousins 20 lbs lighter. So the argument is based off no proof other than a tweet. Im sorry but its an unfounded argument that keeps going up when nobody here has seen a picture or video or in person of Sam.

Sigh! Let us also remember that last year Daly missed training camp because of an injury. It took awhile for him to get in sync with the team when he got healthy. The rotation didn't help at all until his agent complained. After that, Daly got minutes and proved his worth. Much to do about nothing.

 

[Kingster]

Dalembert getting goind last year had nothing to do with shape but everything to do with the rotation. Westphals rotatation was crap to start the season. Dalember wasn't the regular starter until midway and thats when Dalemberts stats started to improve. he only played over 30 min in 5 games before feb came around. In those game he double digit rebounds some double digit points and 2 games with 5 blocks 2 of those games were in November. So his contribution was the same at the beginning as it was at the end just Had Carl Landry in the way. Really do some research before you make statements that have no basis whatsoever.

Maybe your confusing cause and effect. By all accounts he was out of shape at the beginning of last year. So don't you think his consistent minutes were the result of him getting into shape? Please put some thought into the other side before writing a post.

 

[Entity]

Do you even remember Carl Landry? Funny how dalembert suddenly got in shape the day after Landry was traded. Really you should stop. Your getting nowhere fast

 

[ParniValjak]

Doesn't answer the question: How much would you pay a fat Dalembert? Remember last year he came into camp out of shape. It took him quite a long while to get going. Sounds like he's fatter than last year. Now we only have 66 games, a much more grueling compressed schedule. So how much is fat Dalembert worth?

The reason why it took him a while to get going was the groin injury he actually played with and the stupid rotations where we his role nor his playing time was defined. Last year JT came into the camp in great shape and coached praised him as one of the best prepared players yet it took him more than half a season to get going.

Just because you talked yourself into believing something, it doesn't actually make it true. Dalembert's impact was evident when he actually had a defined and consistent role to play. Same applied to JT. Dalembert came into camp with a groin injury and I very much doubt he injured that sitting on the couch drinking beer and eating truck load of chips. He injured the groin while working out in the off-season.

 

[ParniValjak]

Maybe your confusing cause and effect. By all accounts he was out of shape at the beginning of last year. So don't you think his consistent minutes were the result of him getting into shape? Please put some thought into the other side before writing a post.

Like I have said. Jason Thompson!

Discuss!

 

[Hallama]

I just don't think Sammy wants to be a King. Millions of dollars can change a guy's mind - he really does compliment Cousins' skills well. Hopefully he'll take a two year deal (or less).

 

[rainmaker]

Do you even remember Carl Landry? Funny how dalembert suddenly got in shape the day after Landry was traded. Really you should stop. Your getting nowhere fast

Not sure what you're arguing. Daly was out of shape, and publicly said that more than once, last training camp. It was due to all the time he spent in Haiti, and not having a good place to train down there. He did too much, too quickly, and hurt himself at the beginning of the season. Took well over a month for him to get into NBA playing shape.

That is a separate issue from our logjam of a frontline last year, in the beginning. We had a logjam, and Daly was hurt/getting into shape. When he was healthy and fit, we still had a logjam. Trading Landry freed everything up for him. But that logjam prior to Landry being moved wasn't the reason for Daly not doing much early on.

 

[Entity]

the first week of the season he played his first game of 30 min he had 8 pts 12 reb 5 blks. How in the hell is that out of shape. it is the same kind of stats he put up at the end of the season. I am sorry i just don't buy this argument when the stats show different. All the proof you guys got is your own words. Nothing tangible in your arguments. And Landry was the reason Daly's min went up. Thats common sense. guess what when min go up so do stats.

 

[Sac.1989]

he obviously had a good game but lets not argue against the mans own words (his reference to a slowed training regime in Haiti) simply put whilst effective for us in that given game he wasnt at his optimum level physically and he'll agree to that