Dalembert/Cousins - Starting

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I know its early season but considering our defensive ploys have been way to slow being enacted and sammy has spured our comebacks in our wins through anchoring our defense - is it time we switch Cousins to the bench and ensure we start off with an interior and defensive presence ?

Im in no way trying to limit boogie as he is the future but do we aim to make the most of his offensive skills late in the game and ensure we start of well with Dally starting ? or do we keep things the way they are now ?

Either way its a good problem to have.
 
I am all for it actually, IIRC a lot of the board thought this would be a great scenario during TDOS, because DMC will stay out of foul trouble more, and we did not get Dally just because he is an ender.

I know that there is one other guy besides 20-5-5 that I want out there in the crunch, closing out a game, and that is the soon to be ROY. I think starting Dally will help preserve DMC for crunch time is what I'm trying to say.
 
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/03/3154430/stalwart-defenderhas-it-all-covered.html

Last week, Kings coach Paul Westphal turned to center Samuel Dalembert to start the second half in Cleveland, where Sacramento's defense was being picked apart by the Cavaliers.

And when Toronto's Reggie Evans started Monday's Kings home opener grabbing rebounds seemingly at will, Dalembert helped slow the Raptors forward.

In both games, the Kings trailed by double digits, and Dalembert helped rally the Kings. His role will remain the same tonight against the Los Angeles Lakers, at least for now.

Rookie DeMarcus Cousins is the starter. He claimed the job while Dalembert nursed a leg injury in training camp. But Dalembert has played more minutes in each game since missing the first game.

In the Kings' 111-108 win over Toronto, Westphal used both players late in the game – Cousins on offense and Dalembert on defense.

Although teams are scoring big in the first half against the Kings, Westphal isn't planning to start Dalembert.

"I don't see any big reason to change things right now," Westphal said.

Deciding between two centers is a luxury the Kings didn't have last season. Spencer Hawes was the one true center on the roster, and he was dealt to Philadelphia as part of the trade that brought Dalembert to Sacramento.


Now the Kings have plenty of size, and they'll need it tonight against the Lakers.

"We certainly have more inside presence than we've had," Westphal said. "The Lakers have size at every position, and that makes it difficult."

The Kings' first-half struggles on defense have made their three victories difficult.

Facing a Lakers frontcourt that's among the biggest – even without center Andrew Bynum as he recovers from knee surgery – presents the largest challenge for the Kings' centers this season, especially with the skilled Pau Gasol leading the way.

The past two offensive-minded centers the Kings faced were New Jersey's Brook Lopez (29 points) and Toronto's Andrea Bargnani (28 points).

Cousins picked up early fouls against both, but he said the Kings are ready for the Lakers.

"I believe the bigs should play pretty good against them," Cousins said. "We face it every day. … We've got to go in and jump on them early."

If that doesn't happen and the Lakers are scoring at will on the inside, look for Westphal to turn to Dalembert.

Dalembert had 14 rebounds Monday. He has watched his teammates struggle, then he has come in and settled the unit defensively.

Dalembert isn't used to coming off the bench. Entering this season, he had started 491 of 582 games.

Dalembert said the Kings can't afford a slow defensive start tonight. Slowing a player the caliber of Gasol isn't easy after he has gotten on a roll.

"It's always tough," Dalembert said. "Sometimes you have great players that start off in a good rhythm. That's why we have to make sure that doesn't happen. If they start to get in a good flow, it's going to be tough. It's going to be long night."

Dalembert and Cousins have worked well together. Dalembert, in his ninth NBA season, teaches the rookie how to defend.

Cousins hasn't needed much help on offense, however. He has been a big part of the scoring, especially late in games, giving the Kings a formidable paint presence.

"I think it works well," Cousins said. "Sam's a defender. That's what he's great at, and I'm still in the learning process of being a defender."
 
I thought about making a switch also. But I think PW is looking at the long run. The thing is that we won't always be able to fight back from 15Pts+ leads. Not against good teams.

Starting Sammy will limit us getting blown out from the start and help avoid DMC picking up quick fouls as he has been doing. For tonight's game against the lakers, I prefer if they start SammyD because a veteran like Pau knows how to get DMC in trouble quick. But in the long run, DMC has to start because he is already made out to be face # 2 of the franchise. So instead of changing the lineup game to game, I think PW is just going to leave it even if we'll lose more games because of it.
 
I think the plan was, before any injuries, to start the season with Dalembert as starting center and bring along Cousins to prepare him for a big minute contributor. Injuries have switched it but I believe the coaches will start Dalembert, particularly if he continues to contribute as he has been. Obviously, they are both going to play big minutes ....... and the coaches are not going to miss any bets.
 
I think Sam is still working into game shape - I don't think he starts for a while, if ever, on this team. We had this discussion in the offseason and, like many, I think the conversation was premature (as I often do when those threads show up so early).

The injury forced a decision that is now playing out in a way that I could see continuing unless DMC gets injured.
 
All of you have good valid points but if we are ever to see Dalembert and Cousins together on the floor this might be the game to try it.
 
I know its early season but considering our defensive ploys have been way to slow being enacted and sammy has spured our comebacks in our wins through anchoring our defense - is it time we switch Cousins to the bench and ensure we start off with an interior and defensive presence ?

Im in no way trying to limit boogie as he is the future but do we aim to make the most of his offensive skills late in the game and ensure we start of well with Dally starting ? or do we keep things the way they are now ?

Either way its a good problem to have.

It might be the way to go. It certainly would help a lot defensively at the start of the game. Ordinarily, I'd do this in a heartbeat, but this is tricky, though, because it is Cousins, after all, and you don't want to "lose" the guy by starting Dalembert. He might get bent. Is Cousins mature enought to handle that? I dunno. That's why it's Westphal's call. He should know his personality by now.
 
Keep starting Cuz and in fact start JT with him. They aren't going to learn not fouling sitting on the bench to start games. Landry is better off the bench and too similar offensively as Cuz.
 
Keep starting Cuz and in fact start JT with him. They aren't going to learn not fouling sitting on the bench to start games. Landry is better off the bench and too similar offensively as Cuz.

We agree!! Good things might happen now.
 
This is an interesting thought. Two seven footers out there would not be bad at all, throw the ball to Cousins to score and have Dalembert guard either the PF or C which ever is more of a scorer. There should be a lot of rebounds between these two guys, let's first give em both some more time playing together before we even consider starting the two of them.
 
Until we are out of the playoff race, Dalembert should be starting over Cousins. Cousins is giving up twice as many points as he is getting. Dalembert is the best defensive player I've seen on the Kings in years.

Cousins is obviously going to see minutes whether he is starting or not. I just want the best chance to get into the playoffs and right now it seems like Dalembert is our best guy for that.
 
Only reason I want Dally starting is because of Landry starting at the 4. Eventally Demarcus will avoid alot of the silly fouls he's getting as he has shown so far he can adapt later in the game. However Landry does virtually nothing on the defensive end and it leads to some of Demarcus' fouls, I love Landry on the offensive glass though which is weird considering I think rebounding on both ends is virtually the same. If its either Dally/Landry or DMC/JT starting it's virtually the same for our front court as far as points, defense and boards go in my eyes.
 
.....and I obviously have no idea what I am talking about after today's announcement. :p

I think Sam is still working into game shape - I don't think he starts for a while, if ever, on this team. We had this discussion in the offseason and, like many, I think the conversation was premature (as I often do when those threads show up so early).

The injury forced a decision that is now playing out in a way that I could see continuing unless DMC gets injured.
 
Assuming no Whiteside or Jackson, there were always limitations to every possible combo. I could, and in fact did, predict that the Cousins/Landry combo's weakness would be defense. But most other combos have issues of their own:

Cousins/Landry -- PRO: offense CON: defense, no shotblocking
Cousins/Thompson -- PRO: rebounding CON: foul trouble
Dalembert/Landry -- PRO: experience CON: passing
Dalembert/Thompson -- PRO: rebounding, maybe best defense CON: offense
Dalembert/Cousins -- PRO: rebounding, size CON: nobody to defend the PF
 
Assuming no Whiteside or Jackson, there were always limitations to every possible combo. I could, and in fact did, predict that the Cousins/Landry combo's weakness would be defense. But most other combos have issues of their own:

Cousins/Landry -- PRO: offense CON: defense, no shotblocking
Cousins/Thompson -- PRO: rebounding CON: foul trouble
Dalembert/Landry -- PRO: experience CON: passing
Dalembert/Thompson -- PRO: rebounding, maybe best defense CON: offense
Dalembert/Cousins -- PRO: rebounding, size CON: nobody to defend the PF

Thompson hasn't impressed me this year, but if committed to starting Beno and Casspi; I think Thompson and SamD are the best frontcourt match with the other 3 starters. I was hoping Thompson would rebound and defend at a level of consistency to force Landy to come off the bench, but that sure hasn't happened.
 
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