Darth Divac
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Something funny for you all is that our offense is actually 11th in the league, which means that if we had any semblance of defense we'd probably be a playoff team.
Cousins is Mentally Weak
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think its your exaggerated opinion of Cousins that is likely fantasy. Cousins has some sense of his greatness, and he's not going to accept anyone, great themselves or not, who interferes with his own rise. But that said, he's clearly looking for a figure.
As an aside, Adelman has never impressed me as being much of a talker. He's not terribly eloquent, never has seemed to have charisma. Yet everyone listens to him. I suspect he must just make a helluva lot of sense when he talks behind closed doors. He's the anti-Smart.
Darth Divac
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I can't wait to see what these message boards will be like when we're doing good for a change... I'll probably leave for a couple months after Burkstrov buys the team then comeback after our heroic 10-0 start to the season.
kupman
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I think that everyone has their breaking point with this type of behavior. When a person's breaking point is different than your own, it does not make them less intelligent or ignorant. It does not make them less of a "hardcore" fan or whatever. It's simply a difference in perspective.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
While your first line is right of course, actually, almost by definition it does define the fan relationship.
But entirely aside from that there is an absolute right or wrong underlying debate here. Its not a fuzzy grey area about how everybody's personal feelings are doing. The black and white of it is that the team's future is either better or worse with or without Cousins. And there is a right answer to that one. One side is right, one side is wrong. There may be debate over which it is, but there is a right and wrong. And bruised feelings don't change that. In fact to a considerable degree that underlying fact is why there is a legit hardcore/"good" fan aspect to all of this. If the franchise would do better going forward with Cousins than without, and you still want him gone to assuage your delicate sensibilities, then you are in fact less hardcore than the person who is bunkering down and hanging in there for the sake of his/her team's future.
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Padrino
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these two questions are at odds with one another. you don't inspire trust and respect by way of miraculous cures, because miraculous cures do not exist. trust and respect are established over time, and rick adelman has a way of maximizing his players' talents and fitting together disparate parts to make an efficient whole. those players often recognize that they play the best basketball of their careers under his tutelage, and they repay the favor by buying into his philosophy. that is how you stabilize a gifted malcontent. once he's playing like a superstar in your system, and winning like a superstar in your system, he has less reason to be frustrated, to act immaturely. adelman diminishes the need of a player to act out by appealing to their talent level. he doesn't restrict it on the court. he lets it breathe. it's how he got ron artest to play some of the most inspired ball of his career. it's also no coincidence that ron artest--one of the league's most notorious malcontents--mellowed out considerably during and after that stretch of his career. so you're telling me that ron artest was not beyond reaching, but demarcus is? please. you sound foolish. brick's right: adelman's not a big talker. he doesn't play games. he doesn't stroke egos. he just gets results, and his players tend to respect that. he also goes to bat for his players, and they respect him for that, as well. it's why he's often referred to as a "player's coach," and boogie, who's more needy than anything else, could do much worse than receiving the experience of a player's coach like adelman. in fact, keith smart certainly qualifies as "much worse." much, much worse...
I almost agree with this.
The questions isn't "would the franchise be better off without Cousins"? It is " would the franchise be better off using Cousins as an asset to build with on or off the floor"?
If it is in some type of trade, weather it be for a draft pick or for another player then they are using him as an asset off the floor. If they keep him then he is an asset on the floor. The black and white answer won't be know until after the decision is already made.
The Hammer
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In general I agree with this. However I would add that different people might have a different definition of what constitutes franchise success. Some people may consider a good/successful franchise as a bunch of guys that align with their own personal values (or even prejudices) -- consider the Boston Red Sox of the 1960s. Crappy *** team, racist as ****ing hell owners, but I'm sure a segment (however small) of their fanbase preferred a team of all white losers than otherwise.
Translate to now: Some fans may prefer players that have zero emotional fire or reactivity or at least won't allow for a player's growing pains, than to have an actual potential superstar with a fire and a temper that he just might need some guidance and leadership in directing, which, said fire may or may not be inextricably linked to his talent and desire to be the absolute number one best player at his position in the league.
Summary: some fans might rather have losers who show what they perceive as model behavior so they can be role models for their kids. Say like the Utah Jazz of the 90s. Oh wait, never mind, Karl Malone was one of the dirtiest players ever (Stockton too).
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Haters gonna hate.
Padrino
All-Star
unless the asset they get in return is either a superstar or has genuine superstar potential, then the answer is that the franchise is not better off without demarcus cousins, regardless of what an individual thinks of him. a franchise has a valuation. much of that valuation is locked up in the quality of its assets on the court. a superstar puts asses in the seats. i don't care how much the kings love promoting isaiah thomas and jimmer fredette, it's not putting asses in the seats. but if you surround players like demarcus cousins and tyreke evans with complementary talent (preferably veterans who can play a bit of defense), and you promote cousins and evans proportionally to their talent level, rather than prioritize your gimmicks for the fast buck (as the maloofs have done recently), then you'll start to see the fans return. even if you're not a winning team, you can fill a stadium with fans if they believe. because that's what sports is about: believing your team is gonna win. most teams are not winners. only one finishes the season with a championship. everybody else is just hoping. so give your fans something to hope for. a superstar is the best place to start in the nba, so invest in the one player you already have on your roster whose got a shot at superstardom...
Padrino
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i will never understand this criticism, nor why some individuals feel the need to resort to it rather than actively engaging in discussion. do people not read books anymore? are minor blocks of text just so visually abhorrent that people can't be bothered if their attention span is stretched beyond a few moments? seriously, what's the deal? a paragraph is not an elementary school grouping of five sentences. as a unit of text, a paragraph deals with a singular idea. i separate my thoughts as such when i feel an idea will be adequately represented in a new paragraph. and if ignore the impulse to do so, who gives a ****? pick up a book and practice if you're too accustomed to the brief status updates and 140 character limits of social media. a number of members at kf.com really need to get off this syntactical superiority complex. it's wearying...
So....that's a "no" on using more paragraphs?
Section 101
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It's physically irritating to the eyes.
rhythmless
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LOL. This thread is awesome.
Not necessarily paragraphs, but even breaking up trains of thought help to engage a reader. A massive wall of text is off putting. You're taught this in a lot of persuasive writing. Especially since you espouse the use of capital letters. I can see why there is clamor for you to hit enter every now and again. You should take this as a compliment; it means people actually want to read what you're writing.
Padrino
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i write the way i write. i type very fast and very efficiently, and if it irritates people enough not to read my posts, then so be it. but i do try to break it up much more than i might otherwise. i'm just surprised people can't, ya know, read moderately-sized paragraphs, as if you don't find them elsewhere in the world, like, ya know, in books...
Books don't have paragraphs?
Just kidding, Padrino; you're my boy, Blue!
Congratulations, kid! Nice job!!!
I liked Kingster's posts. Cousin's behavior is not only embarassing and counter-productive, it can be devisive. How else can you explain the Kings' performance against the Bulls? Without Cousins and his antics the Kings go out and hustle and run the floor and even play defense. Best game of the year. Evans looks like an all-star at the 2. Holy Cow. Everyone contributes because there is no punk in the game. Some may have trouble with that term. How about mentally weak? Easily distracted?
I didn't see the potential for Cousin's knee to get whacked. If that happened then the elbow is more understandable. More than likely he sat out tonight for a contusion of the brain, not the thigh.
I didn't see the potential for Cousin's knee to get whacked. If that happened then the elbow is more understandable. More than likely he sat out tonight for a contusion of the brain, not the thigh.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Bull****!!!
Dime Dropper
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Tetsujin
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That would actually be a pretty serious injury.
Padrino
All-Star
easily. as with any basketball game, there is only one ball, but keith smart insists on deploying multiple ball dominant personalities on the court at the same time. so demarcus' absence becomes addition by subtraction in keith smart's system--that's on smart, not on demarcus. actually, it's on petrie for trading beno udrih, who is as close to an ideal starting pg alongside tyreke evans and demarcus cousins as the kings have had in recent memory, because he knows how to move the ball, stay out of the way, and score efficiently when called upon without ever dominating the ball. but starting isaiah thomas alongside tyreke evans and demarcus cousins is often disastrous, because again, there's only one ball. the kings have won mightily with demarcus and without tyreke, as well. it's a false equivalency you're tryin' to pull out of your ***, friend...
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
he took a pizza into the stands and gave it to a little girl during the game. such a bad guy
Padrino
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Section 101
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The bigger reason was the bulls weren't 1 step slow they were 2. Wennington was on grant's show earlier and said they were breaking down in the 4th quarter from too many minutes. Well last game of a road trip against a team they thought they could look over. The only bull to show up tonight was Cook. Cuz would have destroyed them inside if healthy.
ParniValjak
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You are being far too kind!
Padrino
All-Star
oh i don't discount that. but ****, man, it was a 42 point victory. it was an embarrassment, last game of a road trip or not. the bulls have a bottom-3 offense that often struggles to get going without derrick rose, but they also have a top-3 defense that has kept them in lots of tough games this season, particularly on the road. that defense, that sense of pride tom thibodeau has instilled in his team, was utterly squashed by the kings tonight. you can be two steps slow and lose a game without drawing attention to the fact that you just got smacked the **** down by one of the worst teams in the nba...
Yeah, but why didn't he come to my house and give ME a pizza? Jerkface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9rhHEwKbNG4
Pause it at 9 and 10 seconds. Next time before rationalizing that an action might have mitigating circumstances but dismissing it outright look at the evidence first. Not only was the "potential" there for his knee to get hit it did in fact get hit...
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