Coachie not happy with what he sees

This was brought up in the Donte Greene thread. Personally, I think Amick is stretching a bit to make some kind of controversy he can talk about in his blog. I'm sure coachie is disappointed but he's been around long enough to know he wasn't going to make an immediate difference in this team...

Coachie knew what he was walking into. Amick makes it sound as though we brought him here under some kind of subterfuge...
 
The one way I could see Coachie changing his mind would be if he arrived and found active resistance, in either the coaching staff or the players. Then he might figure that he does not need the headache at his age. There was some implication of that in his remarks about the players.
 
The one way I could see Coachie changing his mind would be if he arrived and found active resistance, in either the coaching staff or the players. Then he might figure that he does not need the headache at his age. There was some implication of that in his remarks about the players.

And those players would be?

Gee, hard to guess but mr pound the ball Salmons and probably Beno because he said he wants the ball. I don't see any others who don't like to pass the ball. At least those who get PT.
 
The one way I could see Coachie changing his mind would be if he arrived and found active resistance, in either the coaching staff or the players. Then he might figure that he does not need the headache at his age. There was some implication of that in his remarks about the players.

I agree. My speculation is there isn't active resistance, there's passive resistance from the players. I have a feeling that's why he may not feel wanted, and why it's hard to put into words. More subtle, but disheartening to Coachie, I'm sure. This is even more fuel to the fire for trades by the trade deadline.
 
And those players would be?

Gee, hard to guess but mr pound the ball Salmons and probably Beno because he said he wants the ball. I don't see any others who don't like to pass the ball. At least those who get PT.

Well Beno is the PG, of course he wants the ball.

Having guys that pass and having real "ball movement" are two totally different things. Kevin Martin passes but do the majority of them amount to anything? You can have guys that are covered pass to other guys that are covered all day, but does that really do anything in the end? Coachie wants guys who pass and move. Kind of like the old Christie to Peja underneath the basket passes. Theres no point in passing to other guys that are just as covered as you are. There arent enough guys getting open on their own and thats why our ball movement and assists are down. Right now its more like pass to Salmons or Martin and get out of the way. It needs to be more like pass to Miller or Beno and get open and be ready for them to thread the needle.
 
Well, three players that we know are in favor of Coachie being here are Martin, Cisco, and Thompson. The latter, based on his remarks in an interview. I would find it hard to believe that either Miller or Hawes would against Coachie, considering that both of them favor passing the ball. Natt has already indorsed his being there. So by process of elimination, the finger points in the direction of Salmons or possibly Beno.

It could also be another assistant coach that feels his turf is being invaded. What we also know is that Petrie is in charge, and Coachie is his man. So we know who will win that battle. Bring on the trades.
 
Well Beno is the PG, of course he wants the ball.

Theres no point in passing to other guys that are just as covered as you are. There arent enough guys getting open on their own and thats why our ball movement and assists are down. Right now its more like pass to Salmons or Martin and get out of the way. It needs to be more like pass to Miller or Beno and get open and be ready for them to thread the needle.

Banging the ole' nail on the head, eh? Thumper (my handle for Salmons) is the main problem....maybe. Beno a little. But it seems those two have to dribble a lot because others are not open.

Another point, how many times do we see Miller with the ball at high post or the elbow looking, looking, looking, looking, etc to find someone open. Every team just doubles Kevin Martin and Salmons waits for the ball. I want to see Salmons move without the ball like Kevin. Jason is just beginning to learn to move without the ball and has a long way to go. Mikki moves a little but has such bad "jello hands" or "pitchfork hands" he is little good to score. Once in awhile but not consistent.

Cisco moves but our shooter-scorers-movers end there. In the good old days Peja moved constantly without the ball and averaged 22+ cause he had Vlade then Brad passing to him and everyone else passed too.

So I can see Coachie's frustration. Salmons doesn't move without the ball and when he gets it tends to dribble to make a shot..... cause he doesn't move without the ball. Beno does reasonably well moving without but if Salmons has it thats it. Same for Kevin as he is a pure shooter in the Peja style. Mikki is semi-useless. Jason hasn't yet learned to move without the ball in the NBA game and is deer-in-the-headlights when he gets the ball. Douby is only 6-3. BJax is maybe 6-1 as is BBrown so Kings are vertically challanged as well as 3-pt shooter challanged.
 
I do also think that Salmons is the biggest disenchantment for Yoda.

May be I am wrong but I think that Hawes might be stubborn sometimes too and do not listen carefully to him because of Spencer's i-am-a-hall-of-famer-know-everything mentality.
 
Every problem we have as a team is directly correlated to our lack of talent. i said before the season started that by trading away Ron Artest we have NO post players who command a double team. We have no players period to command a double team. PROBLEM! No opponent is shaking in their boots when Hawes or Jason Thompson gets the ball in the low box!

How easy is it for an opponent to match up against a team without a player who commands a double? Answer: Very easy! Hence, we see problems with over-dribbling (Salmons, Beno) and ball-hogging (Salmons) and turnovers (Beno, K-Mart) and poor spacing all related to the fact our players are required to create their own offense because no one in the low post is creating easy shots for their teammates.

The NO post presence problem could be alleviated to some extent with exceptional team speed. Unfortunately, we are lacking in this category too.
If Geoff Petrie could have secured Aaron Brooks in the Artest deal we would NOT be 10-31.

So all these criticisms of lack of heart, lack of effort, Beno bashing, firing of Reggie Theus, lack of leadership, extended losing streaks, lack of pride are all symptomatic of a lack of talent. Pure and simple.

For example, if Jason Thompson had low post skills, Salmons would have more confidence and trust to dump him the ball in the low post. Since he knows his skills are so raw and unrefined, and truthfully disappointing because I wish he'd show us more game, the next time Salmon passes to Jason will be the FIRST time.

Good news: we are playing better the last two weeks, and the trade deadline is a month off and chances for a deal are better than 50/50.
 
What coachie says makes perfect sense. Really the only 2 players whose futures look etched in stone right now are Martin and Thompson, who Pete said he enjoys working with the most/is most willing. I guess that's not surprising. The guys who aren't a lock to be here in the future aren't a lock for a reason, and that reason is most of them don't move the ball or play D(Salmons, Beno, etc.)
 
What did coachie think was going to happen? He was going to come here and his mere presence after 4 days was going to completely rehabilitate this franchise!? :confused: Bizarre comments. Had to have been taken out of context.
 
Hopefully he sticks around...

...Coachie can turn JT into a beast (SAR teaching the youngster some post moves couldnt hurt either)
 
Every problem we have as a team is directly correlated to our lack of talent...........................

So all these criticisms of lack of heart, lack of effort, Beno bashing, firing of Reggie Theus, lack of leadership, extended losing streaks, lack of pride are all symptomatic of a lack of talent. Pure and simple.............

Pardon me, but I beg to disagree. I think coachie's insight is partly right. Our guys are just simply playing, and not playing to win. I've seen this team win when they wanted to win. I've seen the kind of winning efforts both on offense and defense on those wins.

I don't know why we weren't able to develop the consistency in effort to win. I tend to blame the coaching staff for what has happened to this team. The team had gradually developed the losing mentality.

IMO, WE DON'T LACK TALENT. We have had enough talent at the very start to even make it to the playoffs. We could have actually done it - IF....

1.) we had the luxury of having a complete and healthy roster from the very beginning, so that the team could have developed the winning chemistry by now
2.) the young talents were given appropriate playing time for their accelerated development, and...
3.) most importantly if our guys were playing to win.

The last two of these reasons are all symptomatic of a poorly managed and poorly coached/motivated team.

This team has 3 big men ( Miller, Hawes, and Thompson ) who are capable of getting double-double ( pts and rebs ) every game, but it is not happening. These 3 could have had solved the previous problem of this team in the rebounding department.

Player on the high and low post? Miller is one of the better centers able to play the high post with great success. We all know how deadly Miller can be at the high post when he is fully motivated. He can shoot and/or make those pin-point passes from that area. If Hawes ( who had shown above average talent at the low post ) was developed early in the season to have the confidence to play low post, by now he could have been commanding a double team defense at the low box.

The team is not lacking talent on offense too. We have one of the most capable scorers who can command a double team defense from the opponents in the NBA. His name is Martin. Salmons is also not that bad when he does not force his offense. Miller, Hawes, Beno, and Garcia are capable scorers. Thompson can also contribute in scoring with not much need to have the ball in his hands. He could have been the second coming of Dennis Rodman who's deadly offense centered around picking up garbage and put backs.

We also know that last year, Beno had shown he was a decent point guard and decent defender in that position. And with Miller contributing in the facilitation of offense, and Hawes showing he could be another good passing BIG with his passing skills, Beno or even Brown does not have to be a 10-assists per game point guard for this team to win.

And defense which is the worst problem of the team?

We have an able center/power forward who can get 2-5 block shots a game in Hawes. Salmons had shown he can be an excellent defender against the best scoring guards in the league. Miller can also give at least a decent defense using his body when fully motivated. Garcia and Beno had shown they can defend if they want too. Martin is gifted with quickness he can use in defending. But somehow, all these guys are not playing their best to play defense to win. The teams' defense looks like the one in a non-bearing/exhibition game. No passion at all.

IMO, we have enough talents. The talents weren't developed and utilize the right way in the very beginning and upto now.

Moore who can't get 3 rebounds a game and yet stupidly favored to start for a long time, ahead of Hawes and Thompson?

And lately Hawes not even playing that much minutes?

I think Coachie is right. Players aren't playing to win. They are just playing. It is almost like saying the team had developed a losing mentality. I hope the damaged brought about by poor management/coaching can still be reversed before it's too late.
 
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Update:

In an article in yesterday's Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/1578761.html) primarily about SAR's medical condition, there was an interesting update about the whole coaching situation.

...While the Princeton coaching legend and Kings consultant who officially returned Jan. 10 had expressed some uncertainty about his role and the impact he was having in just a week after he arrived, he reiterated just before the Kings' trip he is here to stay for this season...

The article goes on to quote Coachie as saying if the Maloofs and Petrie want him back next season, he'll move back to Sacramento.

Now that's good news IMHO.

Yes, Coachie! We want you to stay!!!
 
I really hope he does stay - not only for this year. He should be a big help for the younger guys and I love seeing him on our sidelines.
 
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