Clippers want Artest

[AleksandarN]

I can not believe some people. look at the Pacers last year and look how long it took to trade Artest for something decent. Artest's trade value is always going to lower then his skills because of who Artest is. He is a locker room cancer like it or not. We would be lucky to get a player like Corey back especailly if Artest is reverting to his old self like he was with the Pacers. Better to trade him now then wait untill it is too late and he goes Psycho.

 

[Smills91]

I can not believe some people. look at the Pacers last year and look how long it took to trade Artest for something decent. Artest's trade value is always going to lower then his skills because of who Artest is. He is a locker room cancer like it or not. We would be lucky to get a player like Corey back especailly if Artest is reverting to his old self like he was with the Pacers. Better to trade him now then wait untill it is too late and he goes Psycho.

There is a HUGE difference here...we're not SHOPPING Artest like Indy was. The Clippers are PURSUING him. That gives US the leverage to not get screwed in a deal involving him. And on top of all this, MAGGETTE has ASKED to be traded. That gives the Clippers ADDED incentive to make a deal. We have ALLLLLLLL the levarage in these negotiations. If they think we're asking too much we say, NOPE we're fine keeping him. Artest isn't forcing our hand like Maggette is forcing the CLippers. This is the the difference from last year to this year.

 

[Bricklayer]

If we're trading Artest for Magette then we'd BETTER be getting one of their bigs as well. We package Artest and Thomas/Rahim for Magette and Kaman than MAYBE we'll talk. Clippers got Paul Davis in the wings so Kaman might be more expendible than people think, especially if they're trying to get Artest.

Um, Kaman is untouchable in the extreme, and Maggette was scoring 22 just 2 years ago. Ron is more of an impact guy, but he's also a nutter, so its nowhere near unbalanced enough to get a major established player thrown in. A kid or a pick though are always possible -- the uncertainty around them and lack of current production mean you can sometimes steal those things with the other team not really feeling it. Of course on the flipside you can also run into Danny Ainge syndrome where every scrub and 2nd rounder on the roster is completely untouchable because they have "potential" to one day be average NBA players. Nonetheless, we could try. But if we do so, we are well and truly through for the time being with our last even kinda/sorta great player gone, so might as well make the full committement to rebuilding and ship out our middleaged bigs while we're at it. Maybe Bibby too. See what you can get.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I dont know what the deal is with everyone wanting to trade arguably the best defensive player in the league for an often injured shooting guard. Petrie should be more concerned with getting rid of our shrimp of a PF(no offense to him and the way he's been playing recently), but we REALLY need a bigger more physical power forward, not a 6'7 SF that plays out of position at the PF position. I'd slam the phone down if I got that call from the Clips and they offered me garbage like that. I dont see anything major happening in the way of trades this year, outside of a potential Bibby deal. Check back next summer...

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

There is a HUGE difference here...we're not SHOPPING Artest like Indy was. The Clippers are PURSUING him. That gives US the leverage to not get screwed in a deal involving him. And on top of all this, MAGGETTE has ASKED to be traded. That gives the Clippers ADDED incentive to make a deal. We have ALLLLLLLL the levarage in these negotiations. If they think we're asking too much we say, NOPE we're fine keeping him. Artest isn't forcing our hand like Maggette is forcing the CLippers. This is the the difference from last year to this year.

I dont know if leverage would stop GP from making a bonehead move though...I mean he hasnt exactly made anything GOOD happen, on his own, the past couple seasons. I still love the guy as our GM, but come on, the Webber deal sucked, thats where it all began.

 

[VF21]

I dont know what the deal is with everyone wanting to trade arguably the best defensive player in the league for an often injured shooting guard. Petrie should be more concerned with getting rid of our shrimp of a PF(no offense to him and the way he's been playing recently), but we REALLY need a bigger more physical power forward, not a 6'7 SF that plays out of position at the PF position. I'd slam the phone down if I got that call from the Clips and they offered me garbage like that. I dont see anything major happening in the way of trades this year, outside of a potential Bibby deal. Check back next summer...

Our shrimp of a PF isn't ticking...

In the eyes of a growing number of people, the whole Artest scenario is being to look more and more like what happened in Indiana (without the brawl, of course).

There's definitely smoke - now we just have to find out where the fire is and how much damage it's already done.

 

[Smills91]

I dont know what the deal is with everyone wanting to trade arguably the best defensive player in the league for an often injured shooting guard. Petrie should be more concerned with getting rid of our shrimp of a PF(no offense to him and the way he's been playing recently), but we REALLY need a bigger more physical power forward, not a 6'7 SF that plays out of position at the PF position. I'd slam the phone down if I got that call from the Clips and they offered me garbage like that. I dont see anything major happening in the way of trades this year, outside of a potential Bibby deal. Check back next summer...

I don't WANT to deal Artest, but if the Clippers put together an ENTICING package, Petrie wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't listen. That offer being...Maggette/Livingston/Minny 1st round pick in 2007. they offer that. Artest gets moved without further adieu. If not, Keep Artest.

What I don't understand is the number of people who want petrie to OPENLY go into rebuild mode. That's completely asenine. Okay, we're the Sacramento Kings here. Not the Bulls/Lakers/Knicks/Heat. If we hope to maybe one day land a prominent FA signing, who's going to sign onto a rebuilding SACRAMENTO squad? Really. We got Lucky with Vlade, the Hawks got lucky with JJ. Other than that. We'd be screwed. Petrie is taking the right approach and is proving WHY he is our GM. He knows how to build a winner in the NBA in a SMALL market. It'll take DECADES for the Blazers/Raptors/Hawks to finally put together a team worthy of competign for a title after being one of the worst 3 teams in the NBA in "REBUILDING MODE" Petrie is waiting for the opportune moments to deal, and they've yet to arrive. When they do....perhaps the Clippers is a prime example, Petrie will strike THEN and only THEN.

Going into REBUILD mode is the equivalent of franchise suicide when you reside in a small market. You CAN NOT do it that way barring a miracle.

 

[Smills91]

Our shrimp of a PF isn't ticking...

In the eyes of a growing number of people, the whole Artest scenario is being to look more and more like what happened in Indiana (without the brawl, of course).

There's definitely smoke - now we just have to find out where the fire is and how much damage it's already done.

This wouldn't be the first time their was simulated smoke by a synthetic MEDIA fire...and coming from LA...I'll take my chances on Artest unless the Clippers give us a no-brainer deal.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Maggette and a 2007 first rounder and I'd say you have yourself a deal. If they keep losing that could be a pretty good pick. The signs of an impending Artest meltdown are everywhere you look. Better to salvage something before it's Pacers redux.

I really dont think the Clippers and Donald Sterling want to give away a potential lottery pick in the deal, I know its the not-so-Sterling and Elgin show there still and it's not like they're the brightest of guys, but I think they've learned from past mistakes in recent years and arent stupid enough to give up a high draft pick that could turn out to be a damn good big man(even though they have a couple of pretty good guys already in Kaman and Brand). I think this deal is purely rumor that I doubt has even crossed Petrie's voicemail, and probably never will.

 

[Heuge]

I don't WANT to deal Artest, but if the Clippers put together an ENTICING package, Petrie wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't listen. That offer being...Maggette/Livingston/Minny 1st round pick in 2007. they offer that. Artest gets moved without further adieu. If not, Keep Artest.

That simply is nowhere near Ron Artest's value. No way anything like this is offered or even asked for.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

This wouldn't be the first time their was simulated smoke by a synthetic MEDIA fire...and coming from LA...I'll take my chances on Artest unless the Clippers give us a no-brainer deal.

Ding Ding Ding!! We have a winner!

 

[Smills91]

I dont know if leverage would stop GP from making a bonehead move though...I mean he hasnt exactly made anything GOOD happen, on his own, the past couple seasons. I still love the guy as our GM, but come on, the Webber deal sucked, thats where it all began.

The Webber deal sucked for the rest of that year...since then, it's been bad for both teams...everyone lost.

You wouldn't trade Artest/Garcia for Maggette/Livingston/Minny's 1st rounder?

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Our shrimp of a PF isn't ticking...

Agreed, but even though he might not be ticking...he also isnt scoring, and probably wont, and that hurts this whole process in trying to put a winner on the court. If Kenny Thomas was 2 inches taller, I wouldnt have to bring this up, but the fact that he is only 6'7...it's kinda glaring.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

The Webber deal sucked for the rest of that year...since then, it's been bad for both teams...everyone lost.

You wouldn't trade Artest/Garcia for Maggette/Livingston/Minny's 1st rounder?

No, I probably WOULD do it...I just dont think the Clippers are stupid enough to put a potential lottery pick into that deal...I know its the Clip Joint we're talking about, but I really dont think they would be THAT dumb to mortgage a potential star along WITH Magette and Livingston. That's unrealistic, I think.

edit: Oh, and I can say with no hesitation that trading Webber DEFINETELY hurt us more because it sucked the heart and soul out of this franchise with the quickness at a time where he had transformed his game into something incredibly versitile that made our OFFENSE so much better...we suck as of right now, and it all starts with our offense, I dont care what people say about our defense, thats a whole other story...but we have absolutely no cohesiveness as a team...and having Webber gave us that...his passing, his rebounding, his presence...oh, and not to mention his scoring. He WAS a leader...and I cant say that about ANYONE on our team right now.

 

[Smills91]

That simply is nowhere near Ron Artest's value. No way anything like this is offered or even asked for.

Either you overrate Maggete or Livingston or underrate Ron Artest. It's as simple as that. Yes I admit I think we'd get the better end of the stick, but if we're gonna to trade the DIFFERENCE maker in the deal to a divisional rival, this IMO is what it would take to do so from the Clippers. They, IMO, are that desperate to WIN NOW with all the money that Sterling has invested that I can see them DOING this for a 26 year old Artest. HEck they almost did it for a 31 year old, paid twice as much Iverson.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't WANT to deal Artest, but if the Clippers put together an ENTICING package, Petrie wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't listen. That offer being...Maggette/Livingston/Minny 1st round pick in 2007. they offer that. Artest gets moved without further adieu. If not, Keep Artest.

What I don't understand is the number of people who want petrie to OPENLY go into rebuild mode. That's completely asenine. Okay, we're the Sacramento Kings here. Not the Bulls/Lakers/Knicks/Heat. If we hope to maybe one day land a prominent FA signing, who's going to sign onto a rebuilding SACRAMENTO squad? Really. We got Lucky with Vlade, the Hawks got lucky with JJ. Other than that. We'd be screwed. Petrie is taking the right approach and is proving WHY he is our GM. He knows how to build a winner in the NBA in a SMALL market. It'll take DECADES for the Blazers/Raptors/Hawks to finally put together a team worthy of competign for a title after being one of the worst 3 teams in the NBA in "REBUILDING MODE" Petrie is waiting for the opportune moments to deal, and they've yet to arrive. When they do....perhaps the Clippers is a prime example, Petrie will strike THEN and only THEN.

Going into REBUILD mode is the equivalent of franchise suicide when you reside in a small market. You CAN NOT do it that way barring a miracle.

NOT going into rebuild mode is the equivalent of fanbase suicide, not to mention blatant cowardice. It is always possible to find people with such a losing mentality that they do not even care about winning big -- they just want to have their bland little comfort food hometown team which might win some games here and there occassionally, and that's enough. But for most of the many many empty seats popping up all over Arco, that's not going to cut it. It cut it for a long time when the mere fact the Kings had NEVER had a good team meant hat people knew nothing else and celebrated every win. But aftr so much success, a 45 win season is worse than a 20 win season. Its an abject failure in the fanbase's eyes (as it should be actually), and its combined wiht no reasonable hope for a better future. 20 wins on the other hand, that leads to hope. And hope sustains a fanbase in a way that pointless mediocrity never will. Nobody dreams of a.500 team, they dream of a title team. But title teams have full life cycles -- starting with being terrible, and ending with a ring.

And being small market has little to do with it. San Antonio took a nosedive -- actually two, and amazingly came out of it alright. Its called the lottery. Win it, and you are set for 15 years. Utah pulled it off. Orlando. And for that matter so did we after years of suckiness. If your intent is to go sign Kobe on the open market, it matters. Maybe. If your intent is to rebuild, its just a rather weak excuse.

 

[VF21]

This wouldn't be the first time their was simulated smoke by a synthetic MEDIA fire...and coming from LA...I'll take my chances on Artest unless the Clippers give us a no-brainer deal.

It's not just coming from LA. There are rumblings all over the place. You may not be hearing them where you are, but it's kind of becoming the elephant in the living room. At some point, you have to at least be open to the discussions. I honestly believe we've reached that point.

 

[Bricklayer]

Either you overrate Maggete or Livingston or underrate Ron Artest. It's as simple as that.

I think you are the one overrating here. Not in Ron's talent, but in his trade value. On talent alone, he is a differencemaker. But nobody trusts him. And he's not a #1 like A.I.. He can't do it himself. So you have to have enough left to back him up. And you have to somehow believe either your coach or chemistry is strong enough to absorb it.

 

[nbrans]

The Clippers can keep Livingston, as far as I'm concerned. He's great against the Kings, as every point guard is, but he's just not that good. But all the same, seriously smills91, if the Clippers aren't going to trade Livingston for Allen freaking Iverson why would they trade him for Ron Artest?? They're not even getting a point guard back from the Kings in your proposals (and no, Jason Hart does not count)

The absolute best case scenario is Maggette and two first rounders, and that's still a reach, in my opinion. Maggette and a first is probably the most realistic positive scenario for the Kings, and given Ron's injuries and mercurial attitude this season I don't think the Kings' bargaining position is great, even if the Clippers are coming to the Kings and not the other way around.

 

[VF21]

I think you are the one overrating here. Not in Ron's talent, but in his trade value. On talent alone, he is a differencemaker. But nobody trusts him. And he's not a #1 like A.I.. He can't do it himself. So you have to have enough left to back him up. And you have to somehow believe either your coach or chemistry is strong enough to absorb it.

That's the whole crux of the matter right there, IMHO.

 

[BMiller52]

No, I probably WOULD do it...I just dont think the Clippers are stupid enough to put a potential lottery pick into that deal...I know its the Clip Joint we're talking about, but I really dont think they would be THAT dumb to mortgage a potential star along WITH Magette and Livingston. That's unrealistic, I think.

That MN pick is top 10 protected from now till forever.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

That MN pick is top 10 protected from now till forever.

gotcha.

 

[DETON8ER]

Will Kenny Thomas be involved in the trade?

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Will Kenny Thomas be involved in the trade?

I dont think the Clippers are THAT dumb, now. (or anyone for that matter)

 

[KINGSFAN-FROM-L.A.]

maggette and livingston both suck

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Of course on the flipside you can also run into Danny Ainge syndrome where every scrub and 2nd rounder on the roster is completely untouchable because they have "potential" to one day be average NBA players.

hahhahaah

 

[DavisAggie]

If and only if the trade involves Kenny Thomas:

Outgoing Players (SAC): Kenny Thomas, Ron Artest
Outgoing Players (LAC): Tim Thomas, Corey Maggette

PG _ Bibby
SG – KM
SF – Maggette
PF – Tim Thomas
C – Miller


I just don’t see us doing any better than that dealing with the LAC. Does it make us a championship team, HELL no, but it does shed almost 2.675 million off our cap space for next year.



http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~849~497~847&teams=12~12~23~23

 

[Denio]

It's not just coming from LA. There are rumblings all over the place. You may not be hearing them where you are, but it's kind of becoming the elephant in the living room. At some point, you have to at least be open to the discussions. I honestly believe we've reached that point.

All this might have started in LA with Maggette wanting a trade, but you can be sure that a lot of GM's have an interest also..

With the Nets losing Krstic for the year, and Houston losing Yao for six or more weeks. I am sure they will be interested in doing something..

I can't see Petrie going for a back court player. This trade is going to take awhile and will involve more teams if the Clippers want Artest. Or someother team will fill our needs with a big for Ron.

 

[Smills91]

It's not just coming from LA. There are rumblings all over the place. You may not be hearing them where you are, but it's kind of becoming the elephant in the living room. At some point, you have to at least be open to the discussions. I honestly believe we've reached that point.

Care to elaborate. The only source I've heard this from is the LA paper. The rest all stems from that source that I've seen. I'd love to see more primary sources on this rumor.

 

[AleksandarN]

Either you overrate Maggete or Livingston or underrate Ron Artest. It's as simple as that. Yes I admit I think we'd get the better end of the stick, but if we're gonna to trade the DIFFERENCE maker in the deal to a divisional rival, this IMO is what it would take to do so from the Clippers. They, IMO, are that desperate to WIN NOW with all the money that Sterling has invested that I can see them DOING this for a 26 year old Artest. HEck they almost did it for a 31 year old, paid twice as much Iverson.

What do you think Ron is worth. Look how long it took to deal Artest in the first place. Ron value is not very high he talent is but his value around the league to low. That is how we got him for Pedja. People have to realize Ron does not have much trade value around the league.