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Smills91

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nbrans said:
The Clippers can keep Livingston, as far as I'm concerned. He's great against the Kings, as every point guard is, but he's just not that good. But all the same, seriously smills91, if the Clippers aren't going to trade Livingston for Allen freaking Iverson why would they trade him for Ron Artest?? They're not even getting a point guard back from the Kings in your proposals (and no, Jason Hart does not count)

The absolute best case scenario is Maggette and two first rounders, and that's still a reach, in my opinion. Maggette and a first is probably the most realistic positive scenario for the Kings, and given Ron's injuries and mercurial attitude this season I don't think the Kings' bargaining position is great, even if the Clippers are coming to the Kings and not the other way around.
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Becasue Artest fills their true need, he's only 26 years old, he hasn't demanded a trade and makes only 8 million a year instead of 17 million a year.

Iverson has JUST as much if not more baggage than Artest which nullifies that argument.

If it's Maggette and 2 first rounders I might consider, but I would just assume KEEP Artest at that price. The key here is the Clippers are trying to PRY artest loose. The Kings aren't shopping him. If we're moving him to a divisional rival to beat us down over the next 7 years, then we better get fair value for him or I say keep him and IF, IF he implodes then we get maggette at a later date.
 
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Smills91

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AleksandarN said:
What do you think Ron is worth. Look how long it took to deal Artest in the first place. Ron value is not very high he talent is but his value around the league to low. That is how we got him for Pedja. People have to realize Ron does not have much trade value around the league.
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Completely DIFFERENT situation from last year to this year.
 
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Smills91

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AleksandarN said:
How so? Ron's history does not dissappear in one year. His value is still low. It will take more then a year to make people forget his pass if that is even remotely possible.
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Don't give me that! Mike Bibby is valued the same now as he was last year?
Kobe Bryant is valued the same as he was after the rape trial? Things change in a year. We're not desperate to move artest like the PAcers were. The Clippers wanted artest last year, but the PACERS declined their offer. If they truly want him, we're in a position of YOU BETTER tempt us if you want him. Whereas the Pacers were in a situation of, give us your best offer if you want him. The clippers couldn't commit to it and that is why he's a King and will remain a King.
 
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Smills91 said:
Don't give me that! Mike Bibby is valued the same now as he was last year?
Kobe Bryant is valued the same as he was after the rape trial? Things change in a year. We're not desperate to move artest like the PAcers were. The Clippers wanted artest last year, but the PACERS declined their offer. If they truly want him, we're in a position of YOU BETTER tempt us if you want him. Whereas the Pacers were in a situation of, give us your best offer if you want him. The clippers couldn't commit to it and that is why he's a King and will remain a King.
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Those examples are totally different. Ron Artest has a history of being who he is and that my friend does not change. If Ron only did that stunt last year was first time he ever acted out in that matter then yes I aggree with you. But Ron has history of being a distruptive force through out his playing career.
 
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Packt

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That doesn’t mean we should accept any deal that comes along. Ron is still a force on the defensive end and a decent offensive player. He has value to the right team. We have him under contract for another year, and unlike Indiana, we're not playing for anything significant- the teams that are, better pony up.

This is not the time to be desperate.
 
Kingzrool

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Smills91 said:
Care to elaborate. The only source I've heard this from is the LA paper. The rest all stems from that source that I've seen. I'd love to see more primary sources on this rumor.
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She cannot elaborate or she would have already. Her sources have proven to be sound. Be sure, that if she says so, l.a. is not the only place this is coming from. ;)
 
SacTownKid

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VF21 said:
Our shrimp of a PF isn't ticking...

In the eyes of a growing number of people, the whole Artest scenario is being to look more and more like what happened in Indiana (without the brawl, of course).

There's definitely smoke - now we just have to find out where the fire is and how much damage it's already done.
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I wouldn't put any money on that one. In fact, he may be ticking the loudest. The only problem is what happens when he goes boom?
 
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Smills91

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Kingzrool said:
She cannot elaborate or she would have already. Her sources have proven to be sound. Be sure, that if she says so, l.a. is not the only place this is coming from. ;)
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Funny though, that ezekielbear who also has some legit sources says on his website that their is no truth to the artest rumors. So we'll see who has the better sources then won't we.
 
6th

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Smills91 said:
Funny though, that ezekielbear who also has some legit sources says on his website that their is no truth to the artest rumors. So we'll see who has the better sources then won't we.
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We certainly will. :rolleyes:

You realize of course that what may hold true today, my not be true 2 days from now. It depends on many factors, i.e. what we can get, whether it is worth it to us, etc.
 
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6th said:
We certainly will. :rolleyes:

You realize of course that what may hold true today, my not be true 2 days from now. It depends on many factors, i.e. what we can get, whether it is worth it to us, etc.
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That's a rather convenient excuse. If the rumor was true, then the credit is there for the taking. But if it's not, then "oh, they must have changed their minds" :rolleyes:
 
6th

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HighFlyingMonkey said:
That's a rather convenient excuse. If the rumor was true, then the credit is there for the taking. But if it's not, then "oh, they must have changed their minds" :rolleyes:
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And just how are we ever to really know? One says, "there is a rumor that the Clips are interested in Artest and are talking to the Kings about a trade." The other says, "well it is not on this other internet board, so the rumor must not be true."

And just what happens if a trade does not go down? I did not see that anyone predicted there would be a trade...only that the two teams were talking. :rolleyes:
 
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6th said:
And just how are we ever to really know? One says, "there is a rumor that the Clips are interested in Artest and are talking to the Kings about a trade." The other says, "well it is not on this other internet board, so the rumor must not be true."

And just what happens if a trade does not go down? I did not see that anyone predicted there would be a trade...only that the two teams were talking. :rolleyes:
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And that's my point, so excuse me if I take anything unofficial with a grain of salt.

I didn't say trade, by the way, I said "rumor" :rolleyes:
 
6th

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HighFlyingMonkey said:
And that's my point, so excuse me if I take anything unofficial with a grain of salt.

I didn't say trade, by the way, I said "rumor" :rolleyes:
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HFM, we are talking apples and oranges, IMO. My comment, that you responded to with a "convenient excuse" comment was not talking about a trade. Nor did I insinuate that you said there was a trade.

I was responding to Smills91 who said, "So we'll see who has the better sources then won't we?" I found that rather impossible to gauge since no one has said there would be a trade.

p.s. Use all the salt you like. :p
 
BigWaxer

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I agree with a lot of points in here, especially Bricks.

I would be more apt to say, if we didn't even do a straight Cory/Ron trade GP is nuts. Now I preface that with saying, this is my opinion based on what we are hearing from the media, some of Rons non-answers and so on. If ron is not happy, it will destroy this team, take care of it early and quick... the longer it goes the more (I like a reference in another thread) Portland like we will become.

That trade would not make us a contender, we lose our one stopper, but its not like the rest of the team is playing D right now for whatever reason. And in the end it is not really going to change anything. He costs pretty much the same against the cap. But GP has to do this knowing its time to stop messing around and toss this team into an official rebuild. If you came out and told the fans... We are going to rebuild, unload salary for expiring, fans would understand.

On a total SIDE unrelated note- don't take this as anything but face value comment. I would of loved to see Maggette with RA in the Princeton.
 
SacTownKid

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Yeah right. If the Clipper had a chance to get Ron Artest for Maggette, who is demanding a trade, they would have done that deal yesterday.

Thanks for the link BTW!
 
DocHolliday

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There is a new article in Rumor Central about Maggette and Artest, the title says the deal is in the works. Can someone that is an espn.com subscriber please post it? Thanks.
 
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Wednesday, December 27WHOINTERESTEDTHE SKINNY

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Dec 27 - A Ron Artest-Corey Maggette trade could be just what each team needs, and sources said the Clippers and Kings are motivated to move quickly.
The Clippers hope to complete a trade before Friday's game against Sacramento at Staples Center, or in time for a six-game, 10-day Eastern trip that begins Monday.
Although GM Elgin Baylor is close with Maggette, Baylor wants to make a deal with Sacramento, sources said. -- Los Angeles Times
ESPN.com's Marc Stein and Ric Bucher discuss the potential trade: Artest On the Block

The trade talk has resumed now with Artest with the Sacramento Kings. Maggette said he knows nothing about it but added: "If it's time for me to go, then I'll go."
When asked if he indeed wanted to get traded, Maggette said, "It might be time. We'll just have to see." -- Orange County Register
Privately, the Magic would love to have Artest -- if somebody did a mental makeover on him.
Artest is not worth the risk, though. He could poison a team in no time and there's some of that behind the Kings wanting to deal him. Again, Magic fans, it won't happen, just like with Allen Iverson. The Magic don't want characters. They want players with character. -- Orlando Sentinel
 
Packt

Packt

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A deal with the Clips for Maggette I'm not down with unless a 1st rounder is involved. You're trading a defensive player like Artest to a division rival, who will now defend your number one offensive weapon. That reeks of stupid, imo.

At least with a pick, you have a chance of making the deal more lopsided in your favor.

If you have to send him to hang out with Mickey & friends, make it Disney World (or some place far, far away) and not Disney Land. I'd be interested in what Orlando is willing to put on the table.
 
DavisAggie

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Looking to see what you think

I posted this before but nobody replied, wanted to know your thoughts,

If and only if the trade involves Kenny Thomas:

Outgoing Players (SAC): Kenny Thomas, Ron Artest
Outgoing Players (LAC): Tim Thomas, Corey Maggette

PG _ Bibby
SG – KM
SF – Maggette
PF – Tim Thomas
C – Miller

I just don’t see us doing any better than that dealing with the LAC. Does it make us a championship team, HELL no, but it does shed almost 2.675 million off our cap space for next year.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...=12~12~23~ 23
 
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