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jdbraver
Guest
I know he didn't indicate that he wanted to come to Sac, but I think we have a good young nucleus he may be interested in. What do you think would be a good package to get him?
The Hammer
All-Star
Tyreke is better. We don't need him.
Really? You don't think they'd be able to figure it out on the court? Neither guy is selfish, though they both need the ball. I'd like to think that they could play off of each other to an extent. And Paul would take the playmaking off of Reke's shoulders, allowing him to generate offense primarily for himself. I think it would be a much easier pairing than LeBron and Wade, and I have no doubts that they'll make that work down in Miami, one way or another.
Edit: Of course, it's all a moot point, because we're not getting Chris Paul.
hammystyle
Starter
They could probly figure it out to a certain extent and would make a dynamic pair. But we've already put in place the framework for a much more traditional and simple championship blueprint. Dynamic, unguardable, inside outside pair at PG and Center...now just figure out the three easiest positions to find SG, SF and PF.
NME
Starter
Having two guys of that talent level would of course be good, but playing them together would be wasting capabilities of both.
Assuming we had the ammo to acquire an established top-tier player, another star guard (let alone one that can only play PG) would be my last choice. Give me Al Horford to put at PF, for example, even if he's a notch lower. With Reke/DMC/Horford you'd have the three hardest to fill positions on lock. Add a solid third big and a few wings that can shoot, and you have a winning team.
Assuming we had the ammo to acquire an established top-tier player, another star guard (let alone one that can only play PG) would be my last choice. Give me Al Horford to put at PF, for example, even if he's a notch lower. With Reke/DMC/Horford you'd have the three hardest to fill positions on lock. Add a solid third big and a few wings that can shoot, and you have a winning team.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I agree! If you want to trade JT and Greene for Horford, then I might be on board. But as much as I love Paul, we don't have a great need for a superstar Point guard. So why would we take a step back at two positions to fill a need we don't have. Here's an idea!! Why don't we let these guys play together for a year and see what the hell we have. That way we can make a more educated decision on whom to trade, if anyone, and who we need to aquire at what position to improve..
Then what would we do with the Personnel moves board? I know, we could change it to "Personals" board. I'm sure there are single Kings fans looking for love. But until that day, I wait with bated breath for the next "Trade Evans, Thompson, and Greene for Jannero Pargo" post.
TaxMan
Starter
Really? I love Tyreke, and they are obviously different style of players. However, at this point in their career, Paul is clearly the better player. He really doesn't have many holes in his game, while Tyreke does at this point (i.e. shooting). If you want to say Tyreke's upside is higher than where Paul is now, I'd certainly buy that.
Gary
All-Star
I don't know how it would work, but this is how I figure things out when pairing two players together.
As solo talent:
Beno-70
Evans-90
Together:
Beno-80
Evans-95
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Paul, Evans Solo:
Paul-95
Evans-90
Together:
Paul-85
Evans-85
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Martin, Evans solo:
Evans-90
Martin-90
Together:
Evans-75
Martin-70
Basically I think if Paul and Evans played together they would not be playing up to their potential.. On the other hand Beno, and Evans play better together, and actually make each other a bit better. Beno more so imo... I think a Beno/Evans match up might be better than a Paul/Evans match up because both their games involve controlling the ball. Solo talent both of their scores beat out Beno/Evans, but together it does not.
As solo talent:
Beno-70
Evans-90
Together:
Beno-80
Evans-95
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Paul, Evans Solo:
Paul-95
Evans-90
Together:
Paul-85
Evans-85
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Martin, Evans solo:
Evans-90
Martin-90
Together:
Evans-75
Martin-70
Basically I think if Paul and Evans played together they would not be playing up to their potential.. On the other hand Beno, and Evans play better together, and actually make each other a bit better. Beno more so imo... I think a Beno/Evans match up might be better than a Paul/Evans match up because both their games involve controlling the ball. Solo talent both of their scores beat out Beno/Evans, but together it does not.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That would not be a ridiculous offer to make given our depth at those positions and Paul's superstar status. Clearly he is a lousy fit next to Reke, but I have long been of the opinion that if you have a chance to get a superstar without tearing gaping holes in your team you quit worrying about fit and just add the unique talent and let them try to work it out. I'd just assume not in this case though. In addition to the obvious difficulties of making Reke a SG and having two ball dominators next to each other in the backcourt, you now would have to deal with Paul following LeBron's lead as a wuss who wil quit on you unless he's guaranteed a title. I don't want to pick a guy up and have to worry about him running off chasing the scent of some other superstar's jock in a couple of years because the poor dear hasn't won his first title by 26.
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Exactly. If Paul really wants to play in New York he could wait two years until the huge contract extension he recently signed expires. Demanding a trade (to a team with another superstar no less) is not the honorable way to go about showing people you deserve a championship. I don't blame Paul for being unhappy about the situation in New Orleans, but the following in Lebron's footsteps element of this is unfortunate because it's starting to look like Lebron might have single-handidly took down an entire generation of basketball stars with his "decision". If Paul and Melo go to New York is that where this ends? Or does that put pressure on everyone else who wants to win a championship sometime in the next 10 years to form their own super-team?
:: facepalm ::
Because he only has two years left on his contract, and because we really don't know how good we are yet, I wouldn't do the deal. But I wouldn't let the LeBron move scare me away from adding a bonafide superstar if I thought for sure he'd get me to the next level. Given the make-up of our team, I'm not certain Paul would. But if I were, I'd be lobbying for him, but only if we could agree to an extension beforehand.
Add in Chris Paul's case, his team has deteriorated over the course of the past two seasons, losing their coach and several key roleplayers that helped them make noise in the playoffs. I'd resent my situation if I were him as well, although it's kind of ironic that he's trying to force his way out after missing half the season. But he's still arguably the best point guard in the NBA (this only really being a question with Steve Nash's resurgence and Deron Williams taking a leap last season), and there's nothing around him in New Orleans. I don't blame him for wanting to play for a winner, although I am sort of troubled by what this might portend for the future of the NBA.
Just don't expect David Stern to do anything about it. Miami, New York, Boston, LA Lakers, all contenders? That's his wet dream.
The Hammer
All-Star
Tyreke's ONLY hole is shooting, and it's the easiest hole to fix. This next year, Tyreke may not have superior stats, but he will be the superior player. Chris Paul is very, very good. Tyreke is better. Two years from now, no contest.
Really? I think Evans s a stud and has good potential to be a top 10-15 player in this league very soon. But Paul is arguably a top 5 guy right now, is still young and has been surrounded by absolute crap his whole career. Still nit sure I make that deal for various reasons but I think we need to he careful with the comparisons.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I'd like to see it happen as long as we didn't give up too much. As sad as it would be to see Donte and Thompson go, the earlier mentioned offer would probably be a good deal. I doubt the Hornets would accept though. They will probably want an all-star caliber palyer in return... unless their trading with the Lakers. In that case I would expect something along the lines of Lamar Odom and Vujacic for Chris Paul and 10 1st round picks....
The Hammer
All-Star
I do understand that my statement could seem slightly far fetched, but, I am taking into account that Evans really was just learning the bus schedule last year. He's got that down. He's got a feel for the league now. He has defined his role on his team. He has an organization fully behind him. I think Tyreke is going to have an absolute monster year. Yes, it's a bit of overzealous conjecture on my part, but hey, that's how I use this board. It's where I get to put my half baked fan-colored visions. And a lot of the time, I'm right!!
I agree... based on what we HAVE seen, Paul would have to be judged as technically the better player. But knowing Tyreke... who would you rather have?? To me, that is the more important indicator. And it's not just about some possible upside for Evans, his upside is virtually guaranteed and it's just about fully here. It's not "project" upside like Whiteside. I think next year is the break-out/establish as a superstar year, and I think the year after that he begins to approach an elongated prime. His prime will come early, and will last a long time. Dude is so mature, physically, and mentally.
Whoa ... I know you're a Kmart fan (so am I) but ... you can't actually be serious about him having the same talent level as Tyreke ... I'd give Kevin an 80
TaxMan
Starter
I do understand that my statement could seem slightly far fetched, but, I am taking into account that Evans really was just learning the bus schedule last year. He's got that down. He's got a feel for the league now. He has defined his role on his team. He has an organization fully behind him. I think Tyreke is going to have an absolute monster year. Yes, it's a bit of overzealous conjecture on my part, but hey, that's how I use this board. It's where I get to put my half baked fan-colored visions. And a lot of the time, I'm right!!
I agree... based on what we HAVE seen, Paul would have to be judged as technically the better player. But knowing Tyreke... who would you rather have?? To me, that is the more important indicator. And it's not just about some possible upside for Evans, his upside is virtually guaranteed and it's just about fully here. It's not "project" upside like Whiteside. I think next year is the break-out/establish as a superstar year, and I think the year after that he begins to approach an elongated prime. His prime will come early, and will last a long time. Dude is so mature, physically, and mentally.
I can't argue with that
Gary
All-Star
Yah.. Was wondering if someone would catch my homerism for K-Mart
I always look at play styles, and how they are with and without the ball. I know I am wrong in some instances like when JWill was paired with Wade. I didn't think that could have worked as well as it did. Later I realised that Williams (as a PG) probably controls the ball for the least amount of time for any PGs out there. He either runs in and jacks one up, or passes it off quickly.
I believe that some pairings appear to diminish overall affectiveness of players, and could actually bring a pair of great individual players lower than a pair of good players that have great chemistry, and make each other better.
I know. I was referring to the "solo talent" level ... which means alone, without playing with someone else doesn't it?
Got you there Gary
