Charlotte Deal

[twslam07]

I have been running some scenarios through my head lately. Most of them would be about draft day. Charlotte right now has the worst record in the league. If they don't win the lottery and land at 2 or 3 I thought of a trade we could work out with them assuming we are behind them in the draft.

Thornton
Fredette
1st Rounder

for

Biyombo
1st Rounder

I wanted to see what you guys thought about this deal. Biyombo has been showcasing his blocking skills all season. He is a mobile big at 6'9.5" in shoes with a 7'6" wingspan who can guard those quicker power forwards for us. His per 36 stats have him averaging 3.5 blocks and10.3 rebounds while only averaging 7 shots a game.

The 1st rounder could be used on Barnes or Gilchrist to help fill our small forward hole.

If we sign Hinrich, amnesty Salmons, and release Hickson and Greene our lineup would look like this:

PG - Hinrich/Thomas
SG - Evans/Garcia
SF - Barnes/Honeycutt/Outlaw
PF - Biyombo/Thompson
C - Cousins/Hayes/Whiteside

Our perimeter defense would be really good and even better if we took Gilchrist instead of Barnes. I chose Barnes because I thought he would compliment Evans with his outside shot, ability to move off the ball, and ability to hit shots off of screens.

After this trade, we would still be around 13 million under the cap so if we wanted to sign another free agent we could.

What do you guys think?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If we had wanted Biyombo, we'd have drafted him last year at #7 rather than trade down to grab Jimmer. And I'm not saying Biyombo wont be good (he has the Serge Ibaka-type ceiling as a defensive monster form the weakside) but he's certainly not what anybody would call a skills player in terms of ballhandling, shooting, or passing. He's a rebound-find-guard, catch-dunk, block type of player, and that's really all he can do. Petrie likes skilled basketball players, and he's proven it time and time again. There's no way this would happen under Petrie's watch no matter how hard one argues that it's a good idea.

 

[KingsCitizen]

And why in the world would Charlotte want Thornton and Fredette. They already have Kemba and Henderson.

 

[The Hammer]

Wow no. Are you on crack?

I wouldn't even do Thornton for Biyombo. Not even close. Maybe JT for Biyombo. Maybe. We could probably get more for JT though.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

lmao

do us all a favor and put down the pipe. this is horrific. we give up a guaranteed 15+ppg scorer + a promising rookie and a high draft pick for biyombo (who we could have had last year) + their 1st? wow

 

[Prince_XY]

lmao

do us all a favor and put down the pipe. this is horrific. we give up a guaranteed 15+ppg scorer + a promising rookie and a high draft pick for biyombo (who we could have had last year) + their 1st? wow

You can object to the proposed trade without adding an insulting remark. Or better yet, just ignore the thread if you think it isn't wise. Actually, the insult you threw does not make your point more valid. Also you are not a GM, never been a GM, and you are just a fan like anyone else here.

I think mods should give infractions on this kind of insulting remark.

 

[Prince_XY]

Wow no. Are you on crack?

I wouldn't even do Thornton for Biyombo. Not even close. Maybe JT for Biyombo. Maybe. We could probably get more for JT though.

Same with this post.

You guys better read Capt. Factorials post. He shot down the idea without insulting twslam07.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

You can object to the proposed trade without adding an insulting remark. Or better yet, just ignore the thread if you think it isn't wise. Actually, the insult you threw does not make your point more valid. Also you are not a GM, never been a GM, and you are just a fan like anyone else here.
I think mods should give infractions on this kind of insulting remark.

alright captain obvious. this is open forum for fans to talk about their team. you are taking this cyber world too serious.

i don't think the remark was out of line. obviously i wasn't the only that thought the post warranted a remark like that. anyhow, thanks for keeping the forums clean, post officer.

 

[Prince_XY]

BTW, I kind of like the idea. But, only because IMO we really need that big shot-blocking big in Biyombo and also because we'll get a good outside shooter/passer Hinrich (who I also think is a decent defender) to replace the one-dimensional scoring-machine and blackhole Thornton.

 

[twslam07]

Wow no. Are you on crack?

I wouldn't even do Thornton for Biyombo. Not even close. Maybe JT for Biyombo. Maybe. We could probably get more for JT though.

The way I look at is we are getting rid of our most selfish player on our team who also happens to be a bad defender and Jimmer who is also a bad defender and has become expendable with the rise of Thomas. In return we get an athletic big man who blocks shots at an alarming rate and we get to move up in the draft and have a shot at landing Barnes or Gilchrist to solidify our SF spot.

 

[twslam07]

If we had wanted Biyombo, we'd have drafted him last year at #7 rather than trade down to grab Jimmer. And I'm not saying Biyombo wont be good (he has the Serge Ibaka-type ceiling as a defensive monster form the weakside) but he's certainly not what anybody would call a skills player in terms of ballhandling, shooting, or passing. He's a rebound-find-guard, catch-dunk, block type of player, and that's really all he can do. Petrie likes skilled basketball players, and he's proven it time and time again. There's no way this would happen under Petrie's watch no matter how hard one argues that it's a good idea.

It was also well known that we tried to resign dalembert (nobody knows how hard they went after). It might be very possible that we didn't draft him with the assumption of Dalembert would be back.

 

[twslam07]

lmao

do us all a favor and put down the pipe. this is horrific. we give up a guaranteed 15+ppg scorer + a promising rookie and a high draft pick for biyombo (who we could have had last year) + their 1st? wow

You're right. Thornton is a scorer, but that's all he'll ever be. He's not a complete player. He's selfish, a bad defender, and he's not overly athletic. His ceiling is pretty low if you ask me.

Same thing with Jimmer. I wouldn't say that he has a lot of potential either. I see him becoming a Reddick who can distribute the ball better. I don't see him becoming a good defender and for that reason I think he will be limited to being a bench player. He might be a promising rookie in that he might reach his potential. All I'm saying is his potential isn't that high.

 

[Anthony1]

You're right. Thornton is a scorer, but that's all he'll ever be. He's not a complete player. He's selfish, a bad defender, and he's not overly athletic. His ceiling is pretty low if you ask me.

Same thing with Jimmer. I wouldn't say that he has a lot of potential either. I see him becoming a Reddick who can distribute the ball better. I don't see him becoming a good defender and for that reason I think he will be limited to being a bench player. He might be a promising rookie in that he might reach his potential. All I'm saying is his potential isn't that high.

Thornton is our second best player. You call him selfish, but I consider him "aggressive". I like the fact that Thornton quickly takes the ball straight to the rim, and doesn't beat around the bush. He plays with confidence, and aggressiveness, and he's a great finisher around the basket. Not to mention the fact that he can hit the 3 point shot with pretty good accuracy. As for his defense, honestly, I don't have much of a take on this, Haven't really sat down and specifically watched the man he was guarding. I will say this, it's like when you don't notice the referees, it's a good thing. So, I will say that I don't remember Thornton getting "raped" from a defensive standpoint, so while he might not be a great defender, he's certainly not horrible, or I would have noticed that already.

If we send anybody to Charlotte, it should be Tyreke Evans. Keep Jimmer on the Kings, and send Tyreke and Hickson for Charlotte's No.1 pick in 2012 and 2013. That would be my ideal trade. If Charlotte didn't want to do that, then No.1 pick in 2012 plus Bismack.

 

[mac]

Thornton is our second best player. You call him selfish, but I consider him "aggressive". I like the fact that Thornton quickly takes the ball straight to the rim, and doesn't beat around the bush. He plays with confidence, and aggressiveness, and he's a great finisher around the basket. Not to mention the fact that he can hit the 3 point shot with pretty good accuracy. As for his defense, honestly, I don't have much of a take on this, Haven't really sat down and specifically watched the man he was guarding. I will say this, it's like when you don't notice the referees, it's a good thing. So, I will say that I don't remember Thornton getting "raped" from a defensive standpoint, so while he might not be a great defender, he's certainly not horrible, or I would have noticed that already.

If we send anybody to Charlotte, it should be Tyreke Evans. Keep Jimmer on the Kings, and send Tyreke and Hickson for Charlotte's No.1 pick in 2012 and 2013. That would be my ideal trade. If Charlotte didn't want to do that, then No.1 pick in 2012 plus Bismack.

In case you haven't been paying attention, people have repeatedly commented on your trade ideas, reminding you that a team cannot trade consecutive future picks.

 

[The Hammer]

Same with this post.

You guys better read Capt. Factorials post. He shot down the idea without insulting twslam07.

Stop trying to be the fun police. The point of this forum is not to squeeze out all humor and flush it down the toilet.

 

[twslam07]

Same with this post.

You guys better read Capt. Factorials post. He shot down the idea without insulting twslam07.

It doesn't really bother me much. The people that do that are usually the emotional breed who don't look at things from every perspective. Apparently I upset some Thornton lovers with my post.

The bottom line is I don't like having defensive liabilities in the starting lineup. Thornton's only above average skill, which is scoring, would be better coming off the bench, but of course you have to have the right players on your team to move a player like that to the bench.

 

[The Hammer]

It doesn't really bother me much. The people that do that are usually the emotional breed who don't look at things from every perspective. Apparently I upset some Thornton lovers with my post.

The bottom line is I don't like having defensive liabilities in the starting lineup. Thornton's only above average skill, which is scoring, would be better coming off the bench, but of course you have to have the right players on your team to move a player like that to the bench.

You didn't upset any Thornton lovers. You upset lovers of reason and reality.

 

[twslam07]

You didn't upset any Thornton lovers. You upset lovers of reason and reality.

It seems we'll just have to agree to disagree. I stated my reasons earlier, but I think it just comes down to you valuing Thornton and Fredette (who are shooters/scorers who can't play defense) more than I do. I guess you and Petrie share that trait.

 

[The Hammer]

It seems we'll just have to agree to disagree. I stated my reasons earlier, but I think it just comes down to you valuing Thornton and Fredette (who are shooters/scorers who can't play defense) more than I do. I guess you and Petrie share that trait.

Fredette is a huge liability on defense and he needs to get better on that end if he's going to make it in this league. I like his shooting ability, but you can't expect to be a rotation player in this league with that D. p.s. don't put words in my mouth.

Thornton on the other hand actually can play some D, but he's just not the tallest defender of shooting guards around. That's his main problem on D. Effort and quickness wise he's actually not horrible. Fairly disruptive. Needs to learn better team D though. But the effort is there. I can tolerate that on D, and I know, that because of his effort, his team D will improve.

I guess we'll just have to agree to partially disagree/agree and actually have a confrontational debate.

 

[King Baller]

Contrary to most responses I would think MJ considers his potential #1 pick more valuable than the players offered and declines. Shooting guards are the most plentiful of all NBA players. This deal has MJ sending out a promising young Big for two SG's and then dropping their odds on the #1, 2 or 3 pick. Not gonna happen.

KB

 

[gunks]

The way I look at is we are getting rid of our most selfish player on our team who also happens to be a bad defender and Jimmer who is also a bad defender and has become expendable with the rise of Thomas. In return we get an athletic big man who blocks shots at an alarming rate and we get to move up in the draft and have a shot at landing Barnes or Gilchrist to solidify our SF spot.

Thats the way I see it too. Jettison two stinky players for a good defending big and move up in the draft? Yes please.

Everyone else is drinkin the Thornton cool aid. MT isnt good.

 

[hiero]

I would love that trade, I wanted to take biyombo and told everyone Jimmer was a waste of pick. I would love to rectify this gigantic mistake, especially now that we have an arena deal and don't need the Jimmer marketing machine which is all he can really provide

 

[hiero]

oops I thought that said Thompson... honestly I would probably still take it just to dump Jimmer and clear up backcourt

 

[The_Jamal]

Biyombo sucks at everything besides blocking shots. And I mean truly sucking at everything

 

[swisshh]

Biyombo has been progressing pretty well actually, but I don't think Charlotte wants to give him up. DJ Augustin is available though and I'd trade Hickson for him in a heartbeat.

 

[bajaden]

I will agree that the SG position is the easiest to fill. There are simply a lot of 6'4" to 6'6" players walking around. But that takes nothing away from Thornton, who I happen to like. Not just because of his scoring ability, but because of his warrior mentality. The dude hates to lose, and those kind of players are welcome on my team. Doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him, but as has been pointed out, if we wanted Biyombo, we could have just drafted him. Rightly or wrongly, your not going to get a GM to admit he should have drafted someone else, by later giving up one of your best players to get him.

So its not going to happen, and therefore I see no point in discussing it. Would I do the deal if it appeared a possibility? No! Not sold on Biyombo just yet. I've watched him play a few times, and at times he's a fish out of water offensively. I know a lot of people Don't care. Just put him out there an let him block shots. Not enough for me. You still have to score the ball, and even a player like Biyombo, who you don't expect to score much, has to be able to execute his part of the offense to help others score. Thats where he's currently lacking, and why his minutes are somewhat limited. I do think he has a chance to be a good player in the league, but he's still raw right now.

 

[Anthony1]

In case you haven't been paying attention, people have repeatedly commented on your trade ideas, reminding you that a team cannot trade consecutive future picks.

Sorry, I haven't heard of this rule. Must be the "Zeke" rule, lol.


Well, if that's the case, then Reke for their 2012 No.1, plus Bismack.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

don't we have a shot blocker on the team by the name of whiteside?

 

[rainmaker]

Sorry, I haven't heard of this rule. Must be the "Zeke" rule, lol.


Well, if that's the case, then Reke for their 2012 No.1, plus Bismack.

That's terrible, and has been every time you suggested it.

 

[bluntsnbball]

Sorry, I haven't heard of this rule. Must be the "Zeke" rule, lol.


Well, if that's the case, then Reke for their 2012 No.1, plus Bismack.

really? ha, nah.