Chandler to OKC cancelled

Its also a rather horrid capitulation by the Hornets one season after they emerged as major contenders. You got money problems? Fine, close up the purse stings, let the bench rot away, whatever. But don't go ripping out chunks of your core, and especially your defensive core, when you are a team on the rise. That's Donald Sterling stuff.
 
Well I guess the only good news is with Amare maybe coming off the block in Phoenix and Chandler being traded Brad's trade value goes up a little bit. I doubt we move him though. PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong Petrie!
 
I don't know... everybody is motivated by money now. These people are losing millions each day. I don't think they're worried about championships right now. Especially in a market like NO. When the Grizzlies had the Pau fire sale, everybody crucified them. But they're not sweating the $$ and they have a young team playing hard. More than we can say. Good trade for the Hornets especially if they can pry 2 of those 1st rounders. They weren't going anywhere this season anyway.
 
definitely $$$

They would have rather traded Pedja but not even Kings would take that contract

As for players value - Hornets have started Bowen-Marks in numerous games having Ely as back up. That is the worst in the NBA. They make Mikki look like hall of famer. So now they got 2 bodies instead of one. They weren't good enough to get far in the post season anyways.
 
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Great trade for OKC. They get a nice compliment piece in Tyson...I'm not sure what the Hornets are doing - besides saving money.
 
I'm with Vlade4GM. I'm not really sold on Jeff Green as a long-term solution for anyone at the 4, but pair him with Chandler and a lot of his weaknesses are covered. Meanwhile, OKC has a superduperstar in Durant, which Portland doesn't have (apologies to Roy), and is the hardest piece to come by, followed closely by an awesome young PG, which Portland also doesn't have. Throw in the 15 first rounders they have (or something like that), plus cap flexibility.... watch out.
 
nbrans said:
I'm with Vlade4GM. I'm not really sold on Jeff Green as a long-term solution for anyone at the 4, but pair him with Chandler and a lot of his weaknesses are covered. Meanwhile, OKC has a superduperstar in Durant, which Portland doesn't have (apologies to Roy), and is the hardest piece to come by, followed closely by an awesome young PG, which Portland also doesn't have. Throw in the 15 first rounders they have (or something like that), plus cap flexibility.... watch out.
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Durant is a superduper scorer -- but how much better does he make anybody? Or is he Melo/Nique?

And their PG can't shoot, and their PF is a SF.

They are defintiely headed in the right direction, but Portland is a 50+ win team now, with much of their youth still developing.
 
Bricklayer said:
Durant is a superduper scorer -- but how much better does he make anybody? Or is he Melo/Nique?

And their PG can't shoot, and their PF is a SF.

They are defintiely headed in the right direction, but Portland is a 50+ win team now, with much of their youth still developing.
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Well, it's tough to say what Durant's ceiling is, but the difference with those guys is that he's 6'9" and it's not really that hard of a stretch to imagine him averaging 30/9 in a year or two. He has the potential to be a top 5 player and unstoppable scorer.

I guess the relative trajectories of the respective franchises hinges largely on how good Durant becomes. In any case, both teams are looking like they're going to be thorns in our side for years to come.
 
Bricklayer said:
Durant is a superduper scorer -- but how much better does he make anybody? Or is he Melo/Nique?

And their PG can't shoot, and their PF is a SF.

They are defintiely headed in the right direction, but Portland is a 50+ win team now, with much of their youth still developing.
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He's 20, he's scoring 25.5/game He's shooting 48/43/86, he's boarding 6.7, and again, he's only freakin 20. There's a difference between super scorer and best scorer. He's not a great passer, and may never be, but with his length and quickness could grow to be a tremendous defender. Like a stronger and more athletic Tayshaun Prince.

So I think he's potentially much better than Nique and Melo. How about Larry Bird without the passing but with much better defense.

I really like their future with this move, cap space and a top 5 pick on the way. So much so that, I agree, their future may now be brighter than Portland's. The key really is Durant, he has the potential to be way better than anyone Portland has.

**Edit** - Baiscally what Nbrans said, plus a little more.
 
I'm with Vlade4GM. I'm not really sold on Jeff Green as a long-term solution for anyone at the 4, but pair him with Chandler and a lot of his weaknesses are covered. Meanwhile, OKC has a superduperstar in Durant, which Portland doesn't have (apologies to Roy), and is the hardest piece to come by, followed closely by an awesome young PG, which Portland also doesn't have. Throw in the 15 first rounders they have (or something like that), plus cap flexibility.... watch out.
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I don't know about that. Like Brick said, the guy is a great scorer, and probably will be for the duration of his career, but superstar? He's a scorer only. He doesn't have the all around game of a guy like Tracy McGrady, doesn't make people around him better. He is only 20 years old, so let's see what happens. But it's premature to label him a superduperstar. I don't even think he's a superstar just yet. Superduperstar is reserved for Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce and the like, truly transcendant players whose teams don't lose 50+ games a year unless they are hurt.

But my major bone is not with how good Durant is/will be. It's with how good Brandon Roy already is. I know a lot of people don't recognize him as being one of the top players in the NBA, but they should. The guy is one of the few complete swingmen in the league. The numbers bear that out. And as the centerpiece of the offense, he's able to make his teammates better as well. Still, when it's the 4th quarter and the team needs buckets, the ball is in Roy's hands. Maybe he's not recognized as a superstar, but I struggle to think of a better guard/forward in the league for less than five years. Including Durant. Maybe Danny Granger, but I'd rather have Roy, personally.
 
nbrans said:
For Smith and Wilcox.

Wow. Westbrook/Insert Draftee here/Durant/Green/Chandler?

Now that's a rebuild.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913301
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Wow, I didn't believe them when they said that the Hornets really are desperate to get rid of Tyson.

Instead of going out on a limb and predicting who's going to be better, I am just going to say that BOTH the Thunder and the Blazers will be very very scary. :p

I'd also bet that every single person in Seattle is mourning today....
 
Superman said:
I don't know about that. Like Brick said, the guy is a great scorer, and probably will be for the duration of his career, but superstar? He's a scorer only. He doesn't have the all around game of a guy like Tracy McGrady, doesn't make people around him better. He is only 20 years old, so let's see what happens. But it's premature to label him a superduperstar. I don't even think he's a superstar just yet. Superduperstar is reserved for Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce and the like, truly transcendant players whose teams don't lose 50+ games a year unless they are hurt.

But my major bone is not with how good Durant is/will be. It's with how good Brandon Roy already is. I know a lot of people don't recognize him as being one of the top players in the NBA, but they should. The guy is one of the few complete swingmen in the league. The numbers bear that out. And as the centerpiece of the offense, he's able to make his teammates better as well. Still, when it's the 4th quarter and the team needs buckets, the ball is in Roy's hands. Maybe he's not recognized as a superstar, but I struggle to think of a better guard/forward in the league for less than five years. Including Durant. Maybe Danny Granger, but I'd rather have Roy, personally.
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Give Durant some time. I do think he has the potential to be a "superduper star."

And, I wouldn't put Dwayne Wade and Paul Pierce in the "superduper star" category either.
First off, every year since Shaq left, the Heat have been terrible w/o Wade and mediocre w/ him.

Paul Pierce is only a "superduper star" with the right pieces by his side.

However, We are in agreement about Roy though.
 
kingsnation said:
Give Durant some time. I do think he has the potential to be a "superduper star."

And, I wouldn't put Dwayne Wade and Paul Pierce in the "superduper star" category either.
First off, every year since Shaq left, the Heat have been terrible w/o Wade and mediocre w/ him.

Paul Pierce is only a "superduper star" with the right pieces by his side.

However, We are in agreement about Roy though.
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I was on the fence about Paul Pierce. The Celtics were mediocre for a long time. I looked the other way because of how great he was in the Finals. But he doesn't have to be included.

Dwayne Wade, on the other hand, has been great since he came into the league. He's had injuries to deal with, but when he's healthy and on the floor, the Heat are a playoff team.

Maybe Durant gets to that level. Right now, he's just a great scorer. GREAT scorer, even, and based on what he did in the Rookie Challenge, a man among boys. His shooting percentages are freakish for anyone who takes a significant number of shots, and that's what's most impressive about him. Contrast his shooting with OJ Mayo's, for instance, and you see a raw scorer with maturity beyond his years. This guy has a few scoring titles in him.
 
OKC's pace is breakneck fast, and they've had enough scoring as is with Durant and the rapidly rising Green and Westbrook. I can see Presti's vision here--fill out the rest of the lineup with good complementary players who can rebound and play defense, like Nick Collison and now Chandler. Of course Chandler has those injury issues, but it's a risk worth taking given his age, and his ability to play at high speeds with his length and athleticism. Good trade for OKC here--Joe Smith deserves a playoff team and didn't fit in well, and Chris Wilcox has already peaked as an one-dimensional offensive-minded player. With centers not panning out in Robert Swift and Mouhamed Sene, they desperately got some size/production.

The Hornets--I just don't know. I've never really been enamored with their GM Bower to begin with--Chris Paul was a real saving grace for him--because he traded for Stojakovic's toxic contract and also gave James Posey one, not to mention that Morris Petersen and Rasual Butler appear to be washed up. They needed big men, but they lost size in accomplishing this trade; I've never been a fan of Wilcox, and Joe Smith while joining a playoff team still doesn't give them much size (not to mention he's skinny). I don't think they've really improved their team at all, if any.
 
Arby's Roast Beef said:
The Hornets--I just don't know. I've never really been enamored with their GM Bower to begin with--Chris Paul was a real saving grace for him--because he traded for Stojakovic's toxic contract and also gave James Posey one, not to mention that Morris Petersen and Rasual Butler appear to be washed up. They needed big men, but they lost size in accomplishing this trade; I've never been a fan of Wilcox, and Joe Smith while joining a playoff team still doesn't give them much size (not to mention he's skinny). I don't think they've really improved their team at all, if any.
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Actually, it's even worse. They signed Peja to that contract as a free agent. Smith and Wilcox are both expiring contracts so this was purely to save money. I bet he wishes he had a re-do on that 25 million he gave Posey. Maybe then he wouldn't need to make this trade. I thought they might be contenders this year, but they sure gave up on Tyson Chandler awfully fast.
 
Bricklayer said:
Its also a rather horrid capitulation by the Hornets one season after they emerged as major contenders. You got money problems? Fine, close up the purse stings, let the bench rot away, whatever. But don't go ripping out chunks of your core, and especially your defensive core, when you are a team on the rise. That's Donald Sterling stuff.
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Or Robert Sarver stuff.
 
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