Chandler for Okafor

I like the use of the term "advanced discussions". Makes this rumor sound more official and exciting. I think I will start using that phrase in my own life:

At the watercooler to my coworkers:

"Yeah, me and the boss are having advanced discussions about making me your supervisor..."

At home:

"Son, your mother and I are having advanced discussions about sending you to that military school."

At Church:

"So, the Lord and I were having some advanced discussions about my future as a pop singer..."

Just spices things up... can be really, really misleading... love it.

You give it a try!
 
At the watercooler to my coworkers:

"Yeah, me and the boss are having advanced discussions about making me your supervisor..."

At home:

"Son, your mother and I are having advanced discussions about sending you to that military school."

At Church:

"So, the Lord and I were having some advanced discussions about my future as a pop singer..."

Nice! :D
 
wow.... sigh.... and another one bites the dust. i hate watching other teams make moves while we sit here and suck. but i could see both teams benefitting from this deal, though i doubt the bobcats will gain anything fom this.
 
Petrie and the Maloofs....

...are having "advanced discussions" about getting Geoff a cell phone, so he can actually make some calls to other GM's about possibly making some deals.:p
 
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Yeah. I think the Hornets won this one... definitely better than the OKC alternative they were considering earlier. I agree with you guys though. This one kinda makes you wish the Kings were out their exploring trade opportunities that would actually benefit US for a change.
 
I'm a little nonplussed about this one as far as the advantages to either team -- the cost cutting Hornets take on a LONGER contract? The Bobcats trade away the last/only thing that looks like a post scorer on the whole team? But given that two pieces just got moved, both/either of which would have really helped us, I am again unamused.

This summer I have been preaching patience as far as the pacing goes -- Geoff often makes his biggest moves late in the summer and so we will just have to see. But its also a patience born of letting a guy hang himself. Let Geoff have this summer to do, or not do as it may be, things his way. And if at the end of it we still haven't done anything other than take our draft picks and sign Sean May, well Geoff wil have done it to himself. No more excuses.
 
This summer I have been preaching patience as far as the pacing goes -- Geoff often makes his biggest moves late in the summer and so we will just have to see. But its also a patience born of letting a guy hang himself. Let Geoff have this summer to do, or not do as it may be, things his way. And if at the end of it we still haven't done anything other than take our draft picks and sign Sean May, well Geoff wil have done it to himself. No more excuses.

Stop it. Just stop it. It's getting harder and harder to believe you when you said you are not a hater. You want GP to trade for Chandler/Okafor? How? What do we have to offer that would even put us in the ballpark? You may as well blame Petrie for not getting Chris Bosh.

Patience, my son, patience. Not just being patient for this summer, but patience is needed for the next 2-3 years.

As for the reason behind the supposed trade, Larry Brown always like those defensive centers who don't score much. He had Mutumbo in Philly, Big Ben in Detroit, and now perhaps Chandler in Charlotte. As for NO, I've always said that the reason they want to get rid of Chandler is because the big guy is breaking down badly. Okafor played all 82 games in the last two seasons. He could be exactly the healthy center that NO is looking for. I can see they may want to swap but it remains to be seen is a deal is done.
 
Stop it. Just stop it. It's getting harder and harder to believe you when you said you are not a hater. You want GP to trade for Chandler/Okafor? How? What do we have to offer that would even put us in the ballpark? You may as well blame Petrie for not getting Chris Bosh.

Patience, my son, patience. Not just being patient for this summer, but patience is needed for the next 2-3 years.

As for the reason behind the supposed trade, Larry Brown always like those defensive centers who don't score much. He had Mutumbo in Philly, Big Ben in Detroit, and now perhaps Chandler in Charlotte. As for NO, I've always said that the reason they want to get rid of Chandler is because the big guy is breaking down badly. Okafor played all 82 games in the last two seasons. He could be exactly the healthy center that NO is looking for. I can see they may want to swap but it remains to be seen is a deal is done.


So Petrie gets 6-7 years of patience during one of the longest, most illogical rebuilds ever? Not sure I would point to this as the move/non-move that puts me over the edge on the bye-bye Petrie bandwagon but it would be nice to see him do something that puts us towards the right path.
 
I'm a little nonplussed about this one as far as the advantages to either team -- the cost cutting Hornets take on a LONGER contract? The Bobcats trade away the last/only thing that looks like a post scorer on the whole team? But given that two pieces just got moved, both/either of which would have really helped us, I am again unamused.

It's a swap of fairly comparable big men, and it isn't like we had something comparable to offer, so I don't see what it has to do with us. Not unless we're going to scrap our young frontline rather than add to it.
 
Stop it. Just stop it. It's getting harder and harder to believe you when you said you are not a hater. You want GP to trade for Chandler/Okafor? How? What do we have to offer that would even put us in the ballpark? You may as well blame Petrie for not getting Chris Bosh.

Patience, my son, patience. Not just being patient for this summer, but patience is needed for the next 2-3 years.


If I am a "hater" does that make you a "lover"? Because that is exactly what your posts on Geoff sound like -- still stuck in that wonderful infatuation phase where the lover can do no wrong, where there is always an excuse, where the most disgusting habit is "cute", and when he/she passes gas it smells like petunias. Unfortunately that infatuation period inevitably ends, and that's when you roll over and discover your lover has more warts than teeth and more hair on their back than the cat.

The "Geoff has a plan/has it all under control" line of argument died out years ago. I'm not sure how much of a push toward revisionist history there seriously is at this point, but if there is any, its ridiculous after one of the worst prolonged falls from grace in NBA history. We tie an NBA record for consecutive years of declining wins, then after our big bounceback year of 38 wins follow it up with a league worst 17 (one of the worst records of the decade).

The only thing keeping hope alive for Geoff as anything but incompetent had been the tendency/suspicion that maybe we can blame some of the disaster on others-- the owners make good targets. So fine, you can float that along while they continue to meddle. But now, with the owners publicly saying they will no longer meddle, with a rebuild in apparent full force half a decade later, now those excuses are gone. Now you have a GM who has presided over one of the worst stretches for any team in the whole league, and he has apparent carte blanche to operate. So now we see what's what -- for all the incessant exuses made for Geoff sitting on his hands, the only truly successful period of his entire career was when he precisely did not -- he was very active and aggressive when he built his old rep. So now we see. And we do it with the GM heading into the last year of his contract, the team coming off a league worst record and league worst attendance, a looming arena issue, and money woes. Even teflon wears off eventually, and when the owners begin to figure out that's not petunias they are smelling...

Thsi move, or non-move, is no more significant than any single non-move. But when we're working on the better part of a decade with a similar pattern, you note it and shake your head.
 
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if the last move this team makes to improve its roster is signing sean may then we are royaly f'd.... the only thing worse than signing may is signing no one and may goes to the warriors and gets his career highs in points rebounds and blocks. then watch half the people on this site complain that we couldve had sean may.

when i complain that this team isnt making any moves to improve this is what im talking about. all of the missed opportunities, both okafor and chandler were available and we got neither. yet people will still reply and say that we added 3 rookies, a back up pg and sean may... okafor got more double-doubles by himself last season than all of our bigmen(thompson and hawes mostly) combined... granted miller ended up in chicago and gooden didnt really play for us.
 
While I'm dissapointed that we don't seem to be looking for opportunities to land the big one (just because it seems that way doesn't mean it isn't happening), I'm not bothered too much by the actual players being dealt here. They would be nice on our team but I don't know how the rotations would work and such. I wouldn't mind bringing Chandler off the Bench but I don't think that is an option with either Okafor or Thompson. If impact players are still available out their, I hope that a few of them happen to be young small forwards (Iguoudala, J.Smith, Rudy Gay, ect...). Not saying any of those players would be available, or even if they were, we would have the recources available in order to land one of them... I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to inquire if those type of players are floating around out their. Our first round pick in 2010 is a very valuable recourse and could be a tool to land a player like that, but I'm not sure how many of you, or I for that matter, would be willing to risk that.
 
So Petrie gets 6-7 years of patience during one of the longest, most illogical rebuilds ever? Not sure I would point to this as the move/non-move that puts me over the edge on the bye-bye Petrie bandwagon but it would be nice to see him do something that puts us towards the right path.

6-7 years of patience? So you put the start of the rebuild in 2002 right after the WCF??

I'm trying to say it nicely but I am baffled at some of the weird stuff being thrown out there. Just strange. What do mean "not toward the right path?" We're set at PG/SG/PF/C with young talented guys but somehow that's not toward the right path.
 
6-7 years of patience? So you put the start of the rebuild in 2002 right after the WCF??

I'm trying to say it nicely but I am baffled at some of the weird stuff being thrown out there. Just strange. What do mean "not toward the right path?" We're set at PG/SG/PF/C with young talented guys but somehow that's not toward the right path.

No. I put the rebuild (generously) starting around the 04/5 season which would be about four years ago plus the 2-3 next years you mentioned. 6-7 years.

I understand where you are baffled by the responses and its a simple difference in opinions. You think we're set at 4 positions. Some of us think we may not be as set as that and more importantly that we're still missing a lot of additional pieces. Even if it was a simple 5 on 5 game with no reserves, we'd still be behind all of the playoff contenders and lacking as much talent as some of the rebuilders. Then you throw in our lack of stockpiled draft picks, cap space and a shaky bench of young guys, and some of us are worried that the path doesn't look as bright. Let's hope we're wrong.
 
I still don't see anyone suggesting what we could have offered to actually get Okafor I mean something the other team would have jumped at.
 
I'd bet a package of Thomas/Hawes could have got it done. Maybe Thomas/JT. The only question I have is why would we do it?
 
If I am a "hater" does that make you a "lover"? Because that is exactly what your posts on Geoff sound like -- still stuck in that wonderful infatuation phase where the lover can do no wrong, where there is always an excuse, where the most disgusting habit is "cute", and when he/she passes gas it smells like petunias. Unfortunately that infatuation period inevitably ends, and that's when you roll over and discover your lover has more warts than teeth and more hair on their back than the cat.

You know Brick, I'll admit to being a "lover" if you admit to being a "hater." But I'm sure underneath it all, we both know I'm not a "lover" of any sort. A "lover" is a homer who never questions GP and put him on a pedestal no matter what. I, on the other hand, side with GP because he has done precisely what I wanted him to do. I said I didn't want Rubio, he didn't draft Rubio. I said no Chandler, no cheap quick fixes, trade Artest for youngsters, trade Miller/Salmons for expiring, etc; and Petrie has done pretty close to how I would have handled it. So what reason do I have to complain? I didn't agree with the Beno signing, the Salmons signing, and keeping Noc; and I have said so. But those are minor hiccups. If GP had done what you suggested - trade for Chandler, sign Hedo, trade for Gerald Wallace, etc; I'd be among the first to complain about it. Alas, Petrie isn't that foolish and so here I am perfectly confident that he and I may actually have similar ideas on how to rebuild the team. When the GM is doing things the way you want it to be done. You'd be pretty pleased too. But a "lover"? Hardly.

Moving forward, I don't want GP to get more fancy, expensive, but useless vet. I just want the kids to play a whole season, stick with them even when the road gets rough, land another high lottery pick, and draft another star. Then possibly trade or sign a veteran star to complete the team. That's the path I want GP to take and if he does it I'll continue to be pleased and I will say so.

What I don't do is dream of some implausible imgainary scenario where the team is turned around and we complete for the ring with one swift trade of a player we honestly have no chance of getting.
 
Moving forward, I don't want GP to get more fancy, expensive, but useless vet. I just want the kids to play a whole season, stick with them even when the road gets rough, land another high lottery pick, and draft another star. Then possibly trade or sign a veteran star to complete the team. That's the path I want GP to take and if he does it I'll continue to be pleased and I will say so.

What I don't do is dream of some implausible imgainary scenario where the team is turned around and we complete for the ring with one swift trade of a player we honestly have no chance of getting.

Well said, since I agree. :)

I simply cannot understand why every deal that goes down is a black mark against Petrie. People wanted Geoff to move Bibby for expiring contracts...and he did. People wanted Miller gone, and he's gone. I think there is a method to Petrie's madness but there are a number of people who simply will not agree. And that's okay...as long as they understand their opinion is not the only valid opinion, since that's all any of these posts are.

Teams have high points and low points. Back when it was first evident we were going to have to hit rock bottom to get better, some around here were saying it would be hard for us homers to take it, but that we had to accept being bad to become good.

So now, what happens? We're pretty blasted bad...and who can't take it without pointing fingers at Petrie, for pretty much doing exactly what they predicted would need to be done?

Just saying...
 
I lost the Geoff is great, can do now wrong love a year or more ago but you guys cannot really be mad that we did not land Okafor. I mean geez what do you want to get rid of JT or Hawes for him? Do you think the bobcats are gonna give him up for our bench trash? I hate to break it to you guys but we dont have much trading peices unless you want to trade our future.

To me Geoff has two more years to show that we can make the playoffs, after two years if we are not competing for the playoffs he needs to look for another job. I love Geoff but this rebuild has not gone too well or has just taken too long to get started. Basically to me Geoff's job depends on how Evans does.
 
Okay, wait... Is there any confirmation of this, besides realGM reporting it's a done deal????
 
I'll wait for the official announcement to change the thread title...

I thought this part was interesting:

New Orleans stunned numerous league observers by moving ahead with a deal that will bring them limited savings next season and force them to take on three extra years of eight-figure salary commitments to Okafor.

I just am not convinced that Okafor, back problems and all, will be able to perform for the length of his contract.
 
For the life of me I cant figure out why everyone is so incredibly high on JT and Hawes. JT is going to be an average player and so is Hawes. Hawes has a little more potential to stand out but also has his share of significant weaknesses. Okafor is FAR BETTER than both Hawes and JT. It wouldnt take me the amount of time it takes to blink to agree to trade Hawes and JT for Okafor.
 
For the life of me I cant figure out why everyone is so incredibly high on JT and Hawes. JT is going to be an average player and so is Hawes. Hawes has a little more potential to stand out but also has his share of significant weaknesses. Okafor is FAR BETTER than both Hawes and JT. It wouldnt take me the amount of time it takes to blink to agree to trade Hawes and JT for Okafor.

Then perhaps you should reconsider before you blink
 
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