t-rex
Bench
Again, I would like to see how JImmer does without Keith Smart and the Maloofs. I'm not going to rush to judgements after year 1 or 2 like so many on this board love to do.
Chad Ford says Pacers and Kings discussing Jimmer Trade
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Again, I would like to see how JImmer does without Keith Smart and the Maloofs. I'm not going to rush to judgements after year 1 or 2 like so many on this board love to do.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Bad as Smart and those-who-won't-be-named were, they had little to do with Jimmer's pee poor defense and well below average ball-handling. I don't have anything against Jimmer at all, and maybe he can find a niche in the future, but he's not ready to play. I'm not sure if you were a Jimmer fan before a Kings fan, but something is preventing you from looking at this objectively.
Padrino
All-Star
that's certainly your prerogative, but a new ownership group and an effective head coach will not make jimmer more athletic, taller, quicker, etc. jimmer is simply lacking in the physical gifts necessary to justify his draft position, and he will remain undersized for a SG no matter how you slice it. could he develop the necessary ball-handling skills to become an adequate PG? that's possible, but it's hardly ideal for an nba PG to need work on his handle...
in an era of bigger, faster, stronger, i just don't see where a tweener like jimmer fits. he may one day become a serviceable spot-up shooter off the bench, but what's the point in waiting around for that when there are more nba-ready options available, particularly on a young team like the kings that could use an infusion of veteran talent?
fredette's got the work ethic to help keep his career afloat, but he'll likely become a journeyman in the nba, spotting up from three for whatever team that decides it needs a bit of extra outside shooting on their bench. but no one's gonna give him license to run around with the ball in his hands and shoot from all over the court like he did at BYU. so he'll either adapt or scrub out of the league. i hope he succeeds, cuz he seems like a nice enough kid. but if i can trade him for a more useful piece today, i do so without hesitation...
t-rex
Bench
Kings fan since 1986. pee poor defense describes almost every member of the Kings last year. Go watch the tape.
Heuge
Starter
Some a bit more pissy then others...
jalfa
Starter
you're confused, nobody is contesting that assertion. in fact, getting rid of as much of our no-defense guard rotation as we can without losing too much value is fairly high on everybody's list, as for instance Brick demonstrated just a few posts above.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
I am all for trading Jimmer for a draft do-over. I don't even mind stocking up on young cheap raw talent as step toward building. But the problem with YOUNG is it almost always equals DUMB. So an experience Vet and KNOWN locker room presence needs to brought in. The closest thing we had to that last season was Cisco and maybe Chuck Hayes. I don't see Chuck able to lead the team and more importantly even if he can, I think we all agree that we would love to see him traded so if we get our wish then where are we?
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I think it is interesting that in a weak draft year so many people want to load up on midlevel 1st rounders. I actually am beginning to come around and agree as, although I haven't seen anyone that is being discussed, I get the idea that there are a bunch of moderately skilled guys between 10-25 or so. I get the impression their skill level is roughly similar (I said roughly) and it's a good place to go bargain shopping to try to fix this mess of a team. As we already have two studs, we aren't looking for or need an all star.
Padrino
All-Star
indeed. it's easier to target need than to hope you slam dunk a risky prospect in a shallow draft. the kings whiffed on thomas robinson last year because he seemed "nba-ready," and missed out on the opportunity to draft andre drummond, who was considered less than a sure thing. that said, robinson also didn't fill any particular need, so it was another wasted pick for sacramento after royally botching the jimmer pick the year before. on an ill-fitting roster, with a sorry excuse head coach, a sleepwalking GM, and an absentee ownership group, robinson was fated for failure in sacramento. drummond may have been, too, given the same conditions...
but, if there is an actual strategy in place, if the plan is to build around the two talented young players with all-star potential who are already here, then you have the luxury of drafting based on need. if that means trading down, so be it, especially if you can snag a quality veteran, or multiple picks, at the very least. of course, i don't really know what exactly the kings' designs are heading into thursday's draft. they may very well just pick BPA and sort out how that player fits while they deconstruct the rest of this mess of a roster...
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Do you mean finding a diamond in the rough all star in the draft in the middle round? I hope so. The Kings need an all star type player badly. Cousins could be one if he played hard the majority of nights, all game long. I wouldn't call Evans a stud after his four years. I thought he would be much better, but he looks like the same player (if not a little worse) than his rookie year. I know people throw his stats out, but by watching almost every game, Evans looks like a 3rd to 4th best player on a winning team, not the 2nd. Honestly I wouldn't care if he left if another team threw big money at him (I doubt they won't). Kings need that 1st/2nd best player badly if they want to start to win.
Padrino
All-Star
if that's your assessment of evans, you have not the eyes to see improvement in his decision-making, his off-the-ball play, his court vision, and his outside shooting, all while getting to the rim and scoring at the rim as efficiently as just about any guard in the league, and all despite significantly decreased minutes...
so, if cousins puts forth maximum effort and tyreke continues to improve along his current trajectory, with significantly more favorable franchise conditions at the levels of ownership, management, and coaching, why wouldn't that "1st/2nd best player" already be here?
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
On another front, apparently the new rumor is the Bobcats are trying to trade MKG and draft Otto Porter. I'd trade #7, Thomas, Jimmer, Patterson, JT, whoever aside from DMC and Evans to get MKG. And I know all his flaws. Can't shoot at all, but he is an awesome shot blocker, rebounder, and defender. Great energy, great guy, so young.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
being misused
Kingsfan23
All-Star
I think desire and passion for the game are the issues for the stagnation personally. I think if he were the player many believe and want to pay him as he would have risen above the coaching/organization issues to make his presence felt and help this team out of the cellar. As for Jimmer, I would be surprised if we could get any value for him, but if we can all the better
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Wow, given up on him after only 1 yr huh? I'd be down for the attempt to get him.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
gtfo. they're seriously considering trading mkg? wheres the source
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/
Consider the source, blah blah blah ... At least it's not Amico
It's been the talk on twitter for the last hour or so. We'll see if there is any truth to it.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
I wouldn't say he's worse than his ROY year, although you could argue that his offense became less effective in years 2-3 as teams figured out you could pack the paint to stop his drives and his jumper wasn't good enough to make up for it. I think it's certainly the case that he hasn't followed the expected trajectory from year one. And it's not like saying "Tyreke is not a star" means he's worse than his rookie year, when he was considered a start. Being a star rookie doesn't mean your'e a star four years later when you haven't improved as much as your peers.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Actually, that's just a link back to the original Kotoch report on Sheridanhoops.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Obviously you give up the 7 for MKG, but if they're looking for Porter, that probably rules us out. Unless they want Jimmer or someone else as a sweetener. Has to be unlikely though.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Ah gotcha. I tried tracing it back, but laziness struck at the most inopportune time...
Kingster
Hall of Famer
He was a one-trick pony - driving the ball. Teams scouted him and adjusted. He didn't adjust in terms of improving his shooting skills.
That's my reply. The Kings took the ball out of his hands, thank God, therefore he makes better decisions and moves better without the ball. I like his defense, but his offense hasn't improved over the years. He makes awesome layups, but teams defend him better and allow him to shoot that awkward slight fade away jumper. Hopefully that new coach helps him with the jumpshot and he uses his coaching rather than going back to bad habits with his jump shot. Again, 3rd to 4th best player on a winning team. 2nd best player on a losing team.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
I don't think it will be all that unlikely. If Noel and Len go in the top 3, then you only have one slot open for Porter, and he may not be picked at 3, as the Wizards like Bennet and John Wall has not so quietly said they need a stretch 4. If that happens, I think you call and offer Jimmer/Thornton for MKG. I would avoid giving up our 7th pick if we could. He could be our SF of the future. If we draft CJ (which is what I suspect will happen) we will have solid shooting coming from the one and from the 4 (if PPat starts), plus Cousins with the pick and pop for a jumper here and there.
It's always funny to watch nbadraft.net starting a few days before the draft: they frantically changing there mock after every bit of information coming in.
Few hours ago they dropped Porter to #7, and now even have him going to Pistons.
Nogueira moved up to #12 at first, and now moved Adams one spot down from #11.
They also have Karasev at #13, seems like Dallas' FO made up their minds.
Few hours ago they dropped Porter to #7, and now even have him going to Pistons.
Nogueira moved up to #12 at first, and now moved Adams one spot down from #11.
They also have Karasev at #13, seems like Dallas' FO made up their minds.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I'd go after that hard, and #7 + IT might be possible, as they get their guy, another pick in the top 7 and a 6th man spark plug on a less than 1M salary, which means they add little salary.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
That site is really only good for use during the season, when they keep updating where the teams would be picking based on current standings, while DX sticks to more of a "big board" approach. I honestly stop reading them once DX accounts for team needs. Not sure they have any sources or do any reporting.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Exactly how will the 10.5M in salary for Jimmer/MT work trading for MKG? And would Char take on an extra 5M+ in salary for Jimmer/MT? #7/IT most likely gets you more talent at half the cost, not to mention they already have Ben Gordon unless he opts out of 13.2M next year. So 21M+ in salary for Gordon/MT together? I somehow doubt that proposal would go anywhere aside from a what are you smoking comment if offered.
