Chad Ford says Pacers and Kings discussing Jimmer Trade

[t-rex]

http://nba.si.com/2013/06/25/nba-draft-2013-trade-rumors/This from ESPN's Chad Ford:

The Sacramento Kings are looking to acquire a second first-round pick and are using guard Jimmer Fredette as bait. Sources say the Kings have reached out to a number of teams in the mid-to-late first round in an attempt to secure another pick. Both the Indiana Pacers and Utah Jazz are potential destinations for Jimmer. Kings coach Mike Malone is enamored with both Tim Hardaway Jr. and Tony Snell, but the Kings feel that they can get them much lower in the draft.

In addition to the Pacers' Jimmer discussions, sources say Indiana has made the No. 23 pick available in hopes that an interested party would be willing to take on the contract of Gerald Green for the right to acquire Indy's pick.


Thoughts??

 

[Entity]

Jimmer for the pick yes. Green contract no

 

[Spike]

Chad Ford.

 

[t-rex]

Chad Ford.

We'll see. I'm not sure it will be Indiana or Utah but I do believe Jimmer will be traded before training camp starts.

 

[jalfa]

Jimmer for the pick yes. Green contract no

co-sign. Outlaw already has all our athletic guy that can't really play basketball needs covered. even the contract is similar.

 

[Kingster]

http://nba.si.com/2013/06/25/nba-draft-2013-trade-rumors/This from ESPN's Chad Ford:

The Sacramento Kings are looking to acquire a second first-round pick and are using guard Jimmer Fredette as bait. Sources say the Kings have reached out to a number of teams in the mid-to-late first round in an attempt to secure another pick. Both the Indiana Pacers and Utah Jazz are potential destinations for Jimmer. Kings coach Mike Malone is enamored with both Tim Hardaway Jr. and Tony Snell, but the Kings feel that they can get them much lower in the draft.

In addition to the Pacers' Jimmer discussions, sources say Indiana has made the No. 23 pick available in hopes that an interested party would be willing to take on the contract of Gerald Green for the right to acquire Indy's pick.


Thoughts??

It does have the ring of truth to it. So far, the Kings FO has been fairly non-judgmental on the Kings roster, implying that they have to see first-hand the Kings players and then go from there. Well, this move would signify that they have made some judgements on this roster and are in fact ready to move. And this move could make sense. There's a lot of redundancy between Jimmer and Thornton; also there is the prospect of having even more redundancy if they draft McCollum who "kind of" has point guard skills. Lastly, having a big guard who could shoot and defend would be nice to have on this roster.

 

[funkykingston]

Green's deal is for 3.5M for two more years. I'd do that deal if the FO feels it can get a long term player at #23.

 

[t-rex]

It does have the ring of truth to it. So far, the Kings FO has been fairly non-judgmental on the Kings roster, implying that they have to see first-hand the Kings players and then go from there. Well, this move would signify that they have made some judgements on this roster and are in fact ready to move. And this move could make sense. There's a lot of redundancy between Jimmer and Thornton; also there is the prospect of having even more redundancy if they draft McCollum who "kind of" has point guard skills. Lastly, having a big guard who could shoot and defend would be nice to have on this roster.

I also think this would be a good move for Jimmer. I think he could contribute nicely providing a three point threat of the bench. The pacers are a much better defensive team than the Kings and Jimmer's defense wouldn't be such a liability. If I'm Jimmer, I'm excited also. Instant playoff team.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

jimmer, filler & thornton for granger & their pick?

 

[Kingster]

I also think this would be a good move for Jimmer. I think he could contribute nicely providing a three point threat of the bench. The pacers are a much better defensive team than the Kings and Jimmer's defense wouldn't be such a liability. If I'm Jimmer, I'm excited also. Instant playoff team.

I agree. Jimmer is going to do better on an established veteran defensive team. This could be very good for him.

 

[jalfa]

I also think this would be a good move for Jimmer. I think he could contribute nicely providing a three point threat of the bench. The pacers are a much better defensive team than the Kings and Jimmer's defense wouldn't be such a liability. If I'm Jimmer, I'm excited also. Instant playoff team.

after having their ball handlers torn to shreds in the ECF, you really think the Pacers would want a guard that can't even withstand regular pressure defense? would be a weird move by the Pacers who'd be better advised to shed Granger for as little salary as possible, retain West and go after Jarrett Jack and Dorell Wright.

 

[t-rex]

after having their ball handlers torn to shreds in the ECF, you really think the Pacers would want a guard that can't even withstand regular pressure defense? would be a weird move by the Pacers who'd be better advised to shed Granger for as little salary as possible, retain West and go after Jarrett Jack and Dorell Wright.

I doubt Jimmer would need to bring the ball up the court (PG). He would be used off the bench as set 3 point shooter and slasher working off Hibbet and Paul George. I think he would flourish in their system.

 

[jalfa]

I doubt Jimmer would need to bring the ball up the court (PG). He would be used off the bench as set 3 point shooter and slasher working off Hibbet and Paul George. I think he would flourish in their system.

I'm not just talking about bringing the ball up, though. he runs into trouble being blitzed on p'n'rs, too, and has so far not shown much in the way of an off the ball catch-and-shoot game either and all that's the side of the ball where he's supposed to be earning his bread. with the defense he has been playing so far, no team would be able to keep him on the court for significant minutes once the playoffs come around.

 

[cuad]

Jimmer wouldn't help them at all. Indiana should be interested in Isaiah Thomas, who is a Heat destroyer. I would try to squeeze Granger out of them with Isaiah.

 

[t-rex]

I'm not just talking about bringing the ball up, though. he runs into trouble being blitzed on p'n'rs, too, and has so far not shown much in the way of an off the ball catch-and-shoot game either and all that's the side of the ball where he's supposed to be earning his bread. with the defense he has been playing so far, no team would be able to keep him on the court for significant minutes once the playoffs come around.

I think that the jury is still out. He improved a lot between year 1 and 2. I don't see why that trend won't continue. This is going to be his 3rd year? Indiana is a great fit for him. He shot 41% from three last year which would be tops on the Pacers by a long shot. He has value obviously or the Pacers wouldn't be discussing a first round pick.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

he would be a great addition as a floor spacer for hibbert & west. he will get plenty of shots off in pnr situations which we failed miserably to do here.

 

[JB_kings]

Chad Ford.

Marc Stein has been saying the same thing:

The Sacramento Kings are looking to acquire a second first-round pick and are using guard Jimmer Fredette as bait. Sources say the Kings have reached out to a number of teams in the mid-to-late first round in an attempt to secure another pick. Both the Indiana Pacers and Utah Jazz are potential destinations for Jimmer. Kings coach Mike Malone is enamored with both Tim Hardaway Jr. and Tony Snell, but the Kings feel that they can get them much lower in the draft.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

after having their ball handlers torn to shreds in the ECF, you really think the Pacers would want a guard that can't even withstand regular pressure defense? would be a weird move by the Pacers who'd be better advised to shed Granger for as little salary as possible, retain West and go after Jarrett Jack and Dorell Wright.

Shhh.

 

[Padrino]

Marc Stein has been saying the same thing:

sounds to me like stein is just parroting ford's initial report, verbatim. that said, i certainly hope this is true. it'd be fantastic news to hear that the kings are being proactive about off-loading their extraneous chuckers. my only hang-up with the rumor is that utah and indiana seem like such obvious destinations for jimmer. ya know, "he's a white guy who can shoot? well then surely utah and indiana must be interested!!"



it's a jimmer-fan dream scenario: in utah, he plays for the fans who truly love him. in indiana, he'd play for the hoosier state. i mean, hell, the star of the team from 'Hoosiers' was a quiet white kid named "jimmy." now, i could see indiana's interest purely from a basketball standpoint, as they're actually in need of additional outside shooting, but i have a hard time believing that jimmer could hold down significant minutes on a defense-first team like the pacers...

the only detail that lends a bit of credence to this rumor is the fact that this year's draft class looks pretty shallow, and a lot of teams will undoubtedly dump their late-first round picks/second round picks if they can. so someone might roll the dice on jimmer for peanuts, and i'd definitely be fine with the kings recouping a mid-to-late first round pick for jimmer, who should have fallen into the late first round to begin with, if not the second round...

he was a terrible pick at #10, and there was always a very good chance he would flame out in the nba as a tweener guard with limited athleticism, no handle, and suspect defensive principles. but if someone out there really believes he has value enough to trade a draft pick for him, i hope the kings jump at the opportunity (without taking back any bad contracts, of course)...

 

[Kingster]

Jimmer wouldn't help them at all. Indiana should be interested in Isaiah Thomas, who is a Heat destroyer. I would try to squeeze Granger out of them with Isaiah.

I agree that they would love to have IT, but injury prone Granger doesn't cut it. Then you're left with an injury prone 3 with nobody to bring the ball up under pressure on the Kings.

 

[Kingster]

If the Kings are interested in trading Jimmer, they may also end up using the redundant piece - Thornton - as trade bait.

 

[jalfa]

I think that the jury is still out. He improved a lot between year 1 and 2. I don't see why that trend won't continue. This is going to be his 3rd year? Indiana is a great fit for him. He shot 41% from three last year which would be tops on the Pacers by a long shot. He has value obviously or the Pacers wouldn't be discussing a first round pick.

I really don't see that "great fit" thing. on offense, he's a liability every time he handles the ball. on defense, he's a liability, period. if your ambitions are to beat Miami and contend for a title, even giving Jimmer backup minutes becomes dicey. just look at how harmful it was for Indiana to play even someone like DJ Augustin, who is significantly better as a two-way player. I'm just pretty doubtful of this rumour, because it would make so little sense for the Pacers. maybe these exploratory talks are about swapping Jimmer and Green, where the firstrounder is the sweetener to make the Kings bite, but going after Jimmer because they see him as a possible cog in the rotation just seems so unlikely.

 

[Gilles]

Taking on Green's $7 million over 2 years is like buying #23 for $7 million given that GG is somewhere close to Outlaw in quality, so absolutely worthless. Now that Kings no longer aim to just reach team salary floor such "filler" salaries become dead weight. New CBA limited amount of cash at $3 million over the whole season, not one separate transaction, so I would say first rounder shouldn't cost more than $3 million, that was a going rate under previous CBA, and here Kings are asked to pony up $7 million.

 

[sidney]

Taking on Green's $7 million over 2 years is like buying #23 for $7 million given that GG is somewhere close to Outlaw in quality, so absolutely worthless. Now that Kings no longer aim to just reach team salary floor such "filler" salaries become dead weight. New CBA limited amount of cash at $3 million over the whole season, not one separate transaction, so I would say first rounder shouldn't cost more than $3 million, that was a going rate under previous CBA, and here Kings are asked to pony up $7 million.

It sounds like the Pacers are floating the pick + Green for cap space to anyone OR we are offering Jimmer for the pick. I doubt it's Jimmer for the pick + Green. Unless we are throwing in Outlaw as well (a wash for Green) I wouldn't be terribly interested in that.

 

[t-rex]

If the Kings are interested in trading Jimmer, they may also end up using the redundant piece - Thornton - as trade bait.

I would be more excited if the Kings were able to unload Thorton and his contract. Jimmer gets railed on for his defense which is quite hypocritical. I don't remember any of the kings guards playing solid defense except for Francisco Garcia (traded) and Tyreke (when he felt like it). Wherever Jimmer ends up, it will be interesting to see how he plays without Keith Smart on the sidelines.

 

[Padrino]

I would be more excited if the Kings were able to unload Thorton and his contract. Jimmer gets railed on for his defense which is quite hypocritical. I don't remember any of the kings guards playing solid defense except for Francisco Garcia (traded) and Tyreke (when he felt like it). Wherever Jimmer ends up, it will be interesting to see how he plays without Keith Smart on the sidelines.

it's not just that jimmer's just a poor defender; it's that he's a poor defender on top of other crippling deficiencies. he's undersized for a SG. he's got a terribly weak handle for a PG. and he's at his best with the ball in his hands despite the fact that there will always be much more talented teammates in front of him in the pecking order at this stage of his career. i agree that it'd be more exciting if the kings were able to move thornton's contract, because his talent and utility would likely be able to net a useful piece of the puzzle in return. but the general kings strategy should be to unload as many chuckers as possible this offseason, in favor of players that better fit the team's needs. if jimmer's the first to go, then so be it...

 

[HereWeBoogie]

good

 

[Bricklayer]

It sounds like the Pacers are floating the pick + Green for cap space to anyone OR we are offering Jimmer for the pick. I doubt it's Jimmer for the pick + Green. Unless we are throwing in Outlaw as well (a wash for Green) I wouldn't be terribly interested in that.

Who's up for Jimmer for Utah's #21, and eating Green's contract for the #23 as well? I am of the general mind that we really need to turn the corner here and start wining quickly, and so stacking up more untested kids isn't how you do that. But on the other hand if you're trying to change a culture, securing a bunch of first round picks would let you quickly, and cheaply, fill out your rotation with guys who play the game how you want it to be played.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Who's up for Jimmer for Utah's #21, and eating Green's contract for the #23 as well? I am of the general mind that we really need to turn the corner here and start wining quickly, and so stacking up more untested kids isn't how you do that. But on the other hand if you're trying to change a culture, securing a bunch of first round picks would let you quickly, and cheaply, fill out your rotation with guys who play the game how you want it to be played.

i'm up for it. utah 21st for jimmer.

if for some reason pacers are willing to trade granger, green, 23rd pick for thornton, salmons i'd be thrilled.

lets say we picked up adams at 7, snell at 21st, hardaway jr at 23rd

we could have a line up of

cousins/adams
jt/ppat
granger/ppat
snell/hardaway
reke/it

all world towel wavers in hayes, outlaw

 

[Dime Dropper]

Who's up for Jimmer for Utah's #21, and eating Green's contract for the #23 as well? I am of the general mind that we really need to turn the corner here and start wining quickly, and so stacking up more untested kids isn't how you do that. But on the other hand if you're trying to change a culture, securing a bunch of first round picks would let you quickly, and cheaply, fill out your rotation with guys who play the game how you want it to be played.

Agreed. Where I disagree is with who to take. I'm skeptical of Snell as I've said a few times before, and also unsure about Hardaway Jr. Yahoo Sports reported that the Hawks are interested in moving their two first rounders to move into the top 5 to possibly take Muhammed, but he'll likely be available at 7 and we could deal directly with them. It's an option. I'd be targetting different guys than the FO though, unless these are all just smoke screens, which I doubt. If you get multiple first rounders and come out of this draft with some combination of Karasev, Dieng, Mitchell, Nogueira, Gobert, you're doing pretty well. I don't see any defensive SF in this draft that we can get. In which case you take BPA and one of the shotblocking bigs that are available. No reaching for Snell. If he's there in the second and you still like him, fine, but I think a mid-late first is too high for him (my opinion, not based on where mocks have him). There's going to be much better players than him available.