CBA Negotiations

Can't do a hard cap with fully guaranteed contracts. Either you get it or you don't, there's no halfway. And in order to get a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts, there's got to be a major market reset and probably a work stoppage. I don't see it happening.
 
"Stern said the average NBA salary would drop to about $5 million, and that the owners are still seeking a 50-50 split of basketball-related income, which would be recalculated under the new deal. Silver said the owners' new proposal looks like the NHL's labor agreement and less like the NFL's "hard cap" system. It targets a "mid-point" payroll for all 30 teams of $62 million."

I'm not clear on how the NHL agreement works. What does this mean?
 
Sounds like the "Flex Cap" if I understand right would be a two-tiered cap that put the luxury cap in between the current soft cap and an honest to goodness hard cap. With maybe some minor adjustments. This would ultimately set up the ability to move to a single hard cap down the road without forcing major salary restructuring over the next 10 years. Sounds like a good plan... for the owners. The players aren't likely to go for it without a work stoppage.
 
sidney said:
I'm not clear on how the NHL agreement works. What does this mean?
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I'm guessing he means players will keep guaranteed contracts vs. the NFL where players are routinely cut or restructured to meet the cap. NHL did do a one time pay decrease and then many teams were forced to jettison players early into the NHL salary cap era.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I'm guessing he means players will keep guaranteed contracts vs. the NFL where players are routinely cut or restructured to meet the cap. NHL did do a one time pay decrease and then many teams were forced to jettison players early into the NHL salary cap era.
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Thanks. It'll be very interesting to see what would happen to a team like the Lakers after something like this since they are locked into huge salaries for the next few years.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Sounds like the "Flex Cap" if I understand right would be a two-tiered cap that put the luxury cap in between the current soft cap and an honest to goodness hard cap. With maybe some minor adjustments. This would ultimately set up the ability to move to a single hard cap down the road without forcing major salary restructuring over the next 10 years. Sounds like a good plan... for the owners. The players aren't likely to go for it without a work stoppage.
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Yeah, I don't think so, either. The players have been incredibly resistant to non-guaranteed contracts, and I don't blame them. They've been able to avoid it all these years, but I don't think they're going to swallow that pill easy. They should, because it's better than a work stoppage, and maybe just look for an opt-out after four years, or something like that, if the plan simply doesn't work. But the owners are pretty obviously trying their hardest to get some real cap restraints in place.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I'm guessing he means players will keep guaranteed contracts vs. the NFL where players are routinely cut or restructured to meet the cap. NHL did do a one time pay decrease and then many teams were forced to jettison players early into the NHL salary cap era.
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NFL contracts are much more complex than just not being guaranteed. Some contracts do have guarantees and most have a set amount. It's not like an NFL team can just waive a player and their salary is gone. Any bonuses are excelerated and count against the current cap too instead of being spread out the length of the contract.
 
Don't a lot of NFL contracts have performance bonuses? For example, a certain # of touches/catches/whatever? Not to mention signing bonuses. And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the NHL currently have a hard cap in place?

I'm not sure if I agree with either route, but at least they're not trying to be like MLB
 
Section 101 said:
NFL contracts are much more complex than just not being guaranteed. Some contracts do have guarantees and most have a set amount. It's not like an NFL team can just waive a player and their salary is gone. Any bonuses are excelerated and count against the current cap too instead of being spread out the length of the contract.
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Yes, I understand that. But the comparison was drawn because the NHL has fully guaranteed contracts which are going to be a major sticking point as they have been in past CBA negotiations. Regardless of the rule specifics of the NFL, players in that league get dumped with large amounts due all the time and many "record setting" contracts are signed with both parties knowing it is more about ego and that the record amount will never be paid out.
 
**** the owners and **** the players. Greedy turds. Fans get screwed either way.


Sigh. No basketball or football next year. Only the boring sports (baseball, soccer) remain.
 
I love this tweet by Cousins after hearing of the lockout.

boogiecousins demarcus cousins
Is walmart hiring?
 
Thanks for posting. I have been watching but I haven't seen anything. No mention of meetings. No mention of differences. No fighting. No publicity. No nothing. Hard to believe.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Sir Charles says NBA season likely a gonner with sides way too far apart. Says players like Kobe, D-Will, crazy to play overseas due to injury risk and probably won't be suiting up over in Turkey, etc.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6774520&categoryid=2378529
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Then again, Williams apparently tweeted this morning that it was official (link) along with a picture of his signature on some document or another. Seems like Barkley's wrong on that one.
 
Problem is that Besiktas basketball and soccer team are the same society and Turkish autorities froze the accounts of the soccer team beacuse of a gambling scandal.
I didn't research this thing in depth but even if Besiktas is allowed to pay Deron at the moment they're not allowed to spend money to build a top team around him.
 
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pshn80 said:
Thanks for posting. I have been watching but I haven't seen anything. No mention of meetings. No mention of differences. No fighting. No publicity. No nothing. Hard to believe.
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Stern and Hunter must be in the Bahamas sipping on Mojitos still...when they finish their Summer vaca's we'll start to hear something...probably bickering and harsh words.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Stern and Hunter must be in the Bahamas sipping on Mojitos still...when they finish their Summer vaca's we'll start to hear something...probably bickering and harsh words.
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There's no real pressure....yet. Players won't even miss a paycheck until Nov 1st.

Meanwhile fans just get to spin. :mad:
 
I do find it interesting that for the first time in 6 years, player salaries came in at less than 57% so they get their escrow money back. However, 57% is what they negotiated in the last cba so if less than 57% equals losses of "$300 million" for the owners then they negotiated and agreed to a faulty deal from day 1.

Personally, I don't buy it. As we've seen from the studies being done, the claims of hardship and all the red ink never stand up when people do their homework, crunch the numbers and look at the real picture.

OTOH, when owners claim they lose all that money and nobody does their homework, we get all this momentum that leads to the lockout. At the end of the day, don't take their claims as gospel.

That being said, I do think the player take should be down to 50%. An even 50-50 split makes sense and coupled with more revenue sharing, you would wind up with less false claims from the owners. They will all be profitable as opposed to just some.
 
Here's a recent interview with Stern on Bill Simmons the BS report. It's a podcast and its an hour long, but it worth listening to in my opinion. For those of you who have speakers. For those that don't, Stern is still optimistic about getting a new CBA done. He doesn't want to lose any of the season, and says if some of the season starts to get lost, then some of the owners revenues will be lost as well, and that would affect the dollars being offered in the CBA by the owners. In other words, the offer would have to be reduced to make up for the loses the owners would incur by losing games. In that event, the chance of saving the season would become less likely. Stern says he doesn't want that to happen, and he believes Billy Hunter doesn't want that to happen either. Anyway, here's the link...

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6856992
 
bajaden said:
Here's a recent interview with Stern on Bill Simmons the BS report. It's a podcast and its an hour long, but it worth listening to in my opinion. For those of you who have speakers. For those that don't, Stern is still optimistic about getting a new CBA done. He doesn't want to lose any of the season, and says if some of the season starts to get lost, then some of the owners revenues will be lost as well, and that would affect the dollars being offered in the CBA by the owners. In other words, the offer would have to be reduced to make up for the loses the owners would incur by losing games. In that event, the chance of saving the season would become less likely. Stern says he doesn't want that to happen, and he believes Billy Hunter doesn't want that to happen either. Anyway, here's the link...

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6856992
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Well that's one of the more positive things pertaining to the lockout that I have heard in a while. The other day I saw some older gentleman driving a jeep in Folsom with his dog and a bumper sticker that said "I'd Rather be in Baja". Thought of you.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Delonte West needs to feed his family - going to work at Home Depot!?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_...or-work-at-home-depot?sct=hp_bf2_a9&eref=sihp
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It's unfathomable to me that someone could make that much money in that short a time and supposedly be broke. Assuming he's not just being a smart a$$. Even still, it's common to hear about these guys having little left after their playing days are done. I understand that they have a ton of expenses that the average Joe doesn't have, but still. Let's say an average NBA player makes about 2 million a year after taxes. All they'd have to do is save 25% of that and they'd have 3.5 million in the bank after 7 years. Of course, that would mean they'd have to squeak by on a meager 1.5 million a year...so rough. These guys are in serious need of some money management advice and a bit of humility.
 
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It's unfathomable to me that someone could make that much money in that short a time and supposedly be broke. Assuming he's not just being a smart a$$. Even still, it's common to hear about these guys having little left after their playing days are done. I understand that they have a ton of expenses that the average Joe doesn't have, but still. Let's say an average NBA player makes about 2 million a year after taxes. All they'd have to do is save 25% of that and they'd have 3.5 million in the bank after 7 years. Of course, that would mean they'd have to squeak by on a meager 1.5 million a year...so rough. These guys are in serious need of some money management advice and a bit of humility.
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We've heard the going broke story with these idiots too many times to find it surprising anymore. What IS amazing is that somehow financial problems which have eaten up $14 million in under 10 years are supposedly going to be alleviated by a $30-$40k a year job at Home Depot.

He should just sell all his guns and pills on ebay. Make more money.

And LeBron's mom's panties. :p
 
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Home Depot pays 30-40k a year!?!?!?


I should quit this racket I'm in and follow West's footsteps.
 
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