Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"

[bajaden]

Vivek is way in over his head.

Depends on which end of the pool your in.......

 

[rainmaker]

Yesh, Petes career on the line. If he doesn't get Karl, I get the feeling he won't get another chance.



Amick seems to battling Voisin and Bruski, who both insist money is the issue, not Boogie.

Let's not forget Amick has a bit of a history with Cuz.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...emarcus-cousins-nba-sacramento-kings/4622095/

It's one reason I remain surprised so many take Amick at his word. He's shown a few times he has an agenda and holds grudges against players. What's more worrying is who is it in our FO that's leaking info to him and intentionally helping to throw blame at Cuz for a situation the FO themselves created.

 

[IfAt1st]

Did someone say too many cooks?

Actually, it's scary how well this oddball sketch may describe the Kings' situation:

At first, it's a sophomoric attempt (Vivek and Co) at copying cheesy 80's sitcoms (the Warriors), but then it starts turning weird and bizarre, ending up with a serial killer stalking and eradicating the last vestiges of hope on the set (in the franchise).

 

[Big Cuz 15]

This has become a disgrace. Is this what it takes to be an NBA GM in this day and age? No matter what happens after this, there will be more questions than answers and the general theme that these guys running the team right now are not fit to take us anywhere but back to leading the lottery.

amateurs i tell you. how many ****ing leaks were available in the petrie era? how much sleazy mud slinging happened? unprofessional newbs.

 

[bajaden]

Let's not forget Amick has a bit of a history with Cuz.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...emarcus-cousins-nba-sacramento-kings/4622095/

It's one reason I remain surprised so many take Amick at his word. He's shown a few times he has an agenda and holds grudges against players. What's more worrying is who is it in our FO that's leaking info to him and intentionally helping to throw blame at Cuz for a situation the FO themselves created.

Yeah, your absolutely right. I really like Amick, but like a lot of people, he tends to hold a grudge, or at least hang on to an opinion because he doesn't want to be wrong. Of course I've never done that myself. So its interesting that a couple of sources, that appear to legitimate have said that its not Cousins that's holding up the deal. Whether you like Voisin or not, I don't think she makes up quotes from sources. If she said she's quoting Cousins agent, I believe her. Could be its the agent trying to cover his tracks and take the heat off Cousins. Who knows for sure. All I know is that I'll be glad when the drama ends. One way or the other.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Not sure about everyone else but I don't want Karl at this point, not with all the baggage it entails.

...

Cuz vs Karl could easily end with Cuz or Karl and that's not a situation I'd put myself in or a gamble I'd make, but I'm not one of the weasels running this thing either.

Actually I think that was a bigger risk right after the night of the rodent, at this point I think Dmarcus is likely to welcome Karl with open arms, no one wants this madness to end more than Big Cuz. He has establihed himself as a team leader and conducted himself professionally every step of the way. I think he might well be Karl's greatest ally in righting the ship.

 

[Bricklayer]

Step 1: fire your well respected young coach who has your undertalented team competing hard in the brutal western conference

Step 2: do not inform your franchise player, offer various ridiculous excuses why it had to be done, take a savage beating in all known media sources

Step 3: hire nobody to replace him

Step 4: go into a completely humiliating death spiral as the team and fans collectively quit

Step 5: fire your PR people for not doing a good enough job of covering your stank

Step 6: hold a big ole family brawl full of recriminations, conflicting agendas and stories, leaks and everything else right out in public in the social media age

 

[VF21]

I truly miss Geoff Petrie. This charade would never have gone on under his watch. We may have been frustrated by the lack of rumors coming from his office, but at least we weren't subjected to the three-ring circus with dancing bears, juggling monkeys and clown cars.

 

[bajaden]

Step 1: fire your well respected young coach who has your undertalented team competing hard in the brutal western conference

Step 2: do not inform your franchise player, offer various ridiculous excuses why it had to be done, take a savage beating in all known media sources

Step 3: hire nobody to replace him

Step 4: go into a completely humiliating death spiral as the team and fans collectively quit

Step 5: fire your PR people for not doing a good enough job of covering your stank

Step 6: hold a big ole family brawl full of recriminations, conflicting agendas and stories, leaks and everything else right out in public in the social media age

Yeah, but other than that, everything is fine! Right? I'm feeling good about things.. Now where did I leave that bottle of tequila?

 

[bajaden]

I truly miss Geoff Petrie. This charade would never have gone on under his watch. We may have been frustrated by the lack of rumors coming from his office, but at least we weren't subjected to the three-ring circus with dancing bears, juggling monkeys and clown cars.

Just out of curiosity, was someone juggling the monkeys, or were the monkeys juggling something. Just trying to get my mental image right.

 

[steelevt]

Only the Sacramento Kings can somehow make a signing a guy who has publicly been stating he wants to be the coach of the Kings turn into a crazy process and accusations left and right like a murder trial.

At some point we will look back at this time period and wonder.... how in the world do Sacramento Kings fans still exist and better yet, why?

Players, coaches, and apparently owners come and go. But we are kings fans. Not cousins fans, not webber fans, not vlade fans (well maybe one vlade/kings fan ) not adelman or malone fans. We are called by some the best fans in the world and the best fans are the most loyal fans. We've been through ups and downs and even though this all looks like a crap storm we've been through worse. We will still be kings fans. We exist because we love this team whether we are the worst team in the league or whether it's is the best. (Please God let us be the best before I die. )

 

[Glenn]

I truly miss Geoff Petrie. This charade would never have gone on under his watch. We may have been frustrated by the lack of rumors coming from his office, but at least we weren't subjected to the three-ring circus with dancing bears, juggling monkeys and clown cars.

Absolutely.

I also doubt there are many people who want to be talked about so publically. This isn't half as bad as tweet rumors about trades. It's like a public acknowledgment that the team doesn't want you. And what if that trade doesn't go through? Do you give 100% to a team that is trying to dump you in a trade?

 

[Showtime]

I truly miss Geoff Petrie. This charade would never have gone on under his watch. We may have been frustrated by the lack of rumors coming from his office, but at least we weren't subjected to the three-ring circus with dancing bears, juggling monkeys and clown cars.

He did his job by making excuses, skirting around the issues, because he couldn't come out and say "My hands are tied by the owners' wallets, and I have to make a team just good enough to put buts in the seats without costing too much". Fans were really upset at the situation, because they could all guess at what was going on, but GP's FO was always either quiet, or re-directed the issue. The fans wanted clarity, and they got a smokescreen. Now, they are dealing with napalm.

If you want to say you'd rather have GP, then fine. But that doesn't mean people wouldn't still be up in arms with pitchforks and torches at how this team has been managed under Viv. They'd still be calling for heads to roll, and GP would be one of them.

 

[IfAt1st]

Step 1: fire your well respected young coach who has your undertalented team competing hard in the brutal western conference

Step 2: do not inform your franchise player, offer various ridiculous excuses why it had to be done, take a savage beating in all known media sources

You forgot:
Step 2a: do not inform/consult your franchise player, then LIE TO THE MEDIA THAT YOU DID TELL HIM BEFOREHAND.

Really, this entire fiasco and likely blowing up of the team and Cousins leaving Sacramento started the night they thought to fire Cousins favorite coach, not talk/consult him, then lie to the media about speaking with him.
Organizations that value their franchise player simply do not do that.
Do. Not. Do. That.

My conspiracy theories about Vivek (and/or Company) not wanting Cousins on the team started from that realization.

 

[captain bill]

This whole thing is just weird.

The "PDA pushing for Karl rumor" makes me think that he wanted Karl to replace MM. Which makes sense in a vacuum. So then, why wasn't he hired right away? I'd say either (1) he wanted to tank and grab a pick before rebuilding with GK or (2) the rest of the FO wasn't on board with the hire, whether about money owed or if he wasn't Mullin's first choice.

The Cousins's agents leaks (both of them) make zero sense whatsoever. The best I can think is some sort of internal power struggle. Assuming PDA wanted Karl, would someone else leak that info to make him look bad? Or is PDA really that dumb to think he could go after his star player's agents?!?

My money is on a combination of internal power struggle or push-back from Vivek on signing a new coach to a big contract so quickly. Or probably a mix of both.

Oh, and Vivek & Co. is 100% worse than the Maloofs *in terms of basketball decisions.* yes the Maloofs went broke, had zero loyalty to Sacramento, and likely purchased the team with the intent to relocate. But when they inherited Petrie / Adelman, they recognized that those dudes were good, wrote the checks, and stepped aside into the enthusiastic cheerleader role for about 5 years, and only started getting involved when it came time for a rebuild.

Vivek is in over his head and is driving this team into the ground at a frightening speed. Organizational dysfunction resulting in total deadlock and a lack of a coherent vision, with the only hint of future ideas being terrible, half-baked ones. Playing favorites in the front office and allowing a toxic and bitter culture to take hold. An apparent inability to take command in a crisis situation, but just enough initiative to gum things up. This organization is bush league.

Also, Vivek did not save basketball in Sacramento. He was gift-wrapped the team when an owner was needed.

I hope I'm wrong. But I'd hate if KJ, Stern, and Sac moved mountains to keep this team only to have it turned over to Vivek "James Dolan 2.0" Ranadive.

 

[VF21]

Just out of curiosity, was someone juggling the monkeys, or were the monkeys juggling something. Just trying to get my mental image right.

Monkeys juggling smartphones.

One more thought? If GMs and free agents were reluctant to deal with our front office before, does anybody think this whole circus will make them feel any better? The stink of this crapfest is going to linger for a long time, no matter the eventual outcome.

 

[Glenn]

He did his job by making excuses, skirting around the issues, because he couldn't come out and say "My hands are tied by the owners' wallets, and I have to make a team just good enough to put buts in the seats without costing too much". Fans were really upset at the situation, because they could all guess at what was going on, but GP's FO was always either quiet, or re-directed the issue. The fans wanted clarity, and they got a smokescreen. Now, they are dealing with napalm.

If you want to say you'd rather have GP, then fine. But that doesn't mean people wouldn't still be up in arms with pitchforks and torches at how this team has been managed under Viv. They'd still be calling for heads to roll, and GP would be one of them.

Not sure I understand. Yes, Petrie got swept up in the swirl of crap that surrounded the Maloofs but that doesn't mean Petrie deserved it. He didn't become executive of the year twice by accident.

 

[VF21]

He did his job by making excuses, skirting around the issues, because he couldn't come out and say "My hands are tied by the owners' wallets, and I have to make a team just good enough to put buts in the seats without costing too much". Fans were really upset at the situation, because they could all guess at what was going on, but GP's FO was always either quiet, or re-directed the issue. The fans wanted clarity, and they got a smokescreen. Now, they are dealing with napalm.

If you want to say you'd rather have GP, then fine. But that doesn't mean people wouldn't still be up in arms with pitchforks and torches at how this team has been managed under Viv. They'd still be calling for heads to roll, and GP would be one of them.

That's the part of your post that matters. Petrie did his job without playing it out in social media, without putting the fan base in constant turmoil and without it all somehow threatening to turn into a massive hit against the face of the franchise.

If GP was still here, I seriously doubt we'd even be having this discussion. But I'll leave it at that. No need to take the thread off in yet another mind-numbing misdirection.

 

[VF21]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 11m11 minutes ago Sacramento, CA
No matter what we are going to hear in the next few hours, I will be there tonight to stand and applaud Ty Corbin for his efforts.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 3m3 minutes ago Sacramento, CA
There are still hurdles, but they are rapidly dwindling.

 

[Glenn]

This whole thing is just weird.

The "PDA pushing for Karl rumor" makes me think that he wanted Karl to replace MM. Which makes sense in a vacuum. So then, why wasn't he hired right away? I'd say either (1) he wanted to tank and grab a pick before rebuilding with GK or (2) the rest of the FO wasn't on board with the hire, whether about money owed or if he wasn't Mullin's first choice.

The Cousins's agents leaks (both of them) make zero sense whatsoever. The best I can think is some sort of internal power struggle. Assuming PDA wanted Karl, would someone else leak that info to make him look bad? Or is PDA really that dumb to think he could go after his star player's agents?!?

My money is on a combination of internal power struggle or push-back from Vivek on signing a new coach to a big contract so quickly. Or probably a mix of both.

Oh, and Vivek & Co. is 100% worse than the Maloofs *in terms of basketball decisions.* yes the Maloofs went broke, had zero loyalty to Sacramento, and likely purchased the team with the intent to relocate. But when they inherited Petrie / Adelman, they recognized that those dudes were good, wrote the checks, and stepped aside into the enthusiastic cheerleader role for about 5 years, and only started getting involved when it came time for a rebuild.

Vivek is in over his head and is driving this team into the ground at a frightening speed. Organizational dysfunction resulting in total deadlock and a lack of a coherent vision, with the only hint of future ideas being terrible, half-baked ones. Playing favorites in the front office and allowing a toxic and bitter culture to take hold. An apparent inability to take command in a crisis situation, but just enough initiative to gum things up. This organization is bush league.

Also, Vivek did not save basketball in Sacramento. He was gift-wrapped the team when an owner was needed.

I hope I'm wrong. But I'd hate if KJ, Stern, and Sac moved mountains to keep this team only to have it turned over to Vivek "James Dolan 2.0" Ranadive.

Jimmy Dolan 2.0? Why not?

 

[Chubbs]

Step 1: fire your well respected young coach who has your undertalented team competing hard in the brutal western conference

Step 2: do not inform your franchise player, offer various ridiculous excuses why it had to be done, take a savage beating in all known media sources

Step 3: hire nobody to replace him

Step 4: go into a completely humiliating death spiral as the team and fans collectively quit

Step 5: fire your PR people for not doing a good enough job of covering your stank

Step 6: hold a big ole family brawl full of recriminations, conflicting agendas and stories, leaks and everything else right out in public in the social media age

Step 7, NBA 3.0?

 

[swisshh]

Petrie would love all these jumpers that Cousins is taking, so I'm not missing him too much.

 

[The Hammer]

This whole thing is just weird.


Also, Vivek did not save basketball in Sacramento. He was gift-wrapped the team when an owner was needed.

I hope I'm wrong. But I'd hate if KJ, Stern, and Sac moved mountains to keep this team only to have it turned over to Vivek "James Dolan 2.0" Ranadive.

I'm going to highlight and promote this notion wherever I see it, because the alternative narrative is that he did, which just leads to glorifying the incompetence we're all witnessing... and that is not good.

Bolded is 100% correct.

 

[VF21]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 7m7 minutes ago Sacramento, CA

<------ Karl Emoji. Love it

 

[kupman]

I truly miss Geoff Petrie. This charade would never have gone on under his watch. We may have been frustrated by the lack of rumors coming from his office, but at least we weren't subjected to the three-ring circus with dancing bears, juggling monkeys and clown cars.

But this is the day of social media. The tiny bits of information and half-truths take on a life of their own, which is a circus, and may only explain 5% of what is happening behind closed doors while the other 95% is not all that accurate. Yet, each time we hit the refresh button we are feeding the beast that we curse. We may be the crazy ones LOL.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

The Kings are probably going to hire Karl, and this is going to be quite, quite interesting.

No ****ing idea how it's going to work out. Not a damn clue.

 

[VF21]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2015/02/08/george-karl-kings/23092785/

The Sacramento Kings continued their talks with coach George Karl on Sunday, when the once-sizable gap between the two sides on salary and length of contract was narrowed and confidence rose that a workable deal could be done.

D'Alessandro was expected to discuss the situation with Cousins' representatives on Sunday afternoon. As it were, one of them told The Sacramento Bee on Sunday that they were not blocking the hiring. "Make the move; we don't run the team," the representative who was not identified by name reportedly said.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'm going to highlight and promote this notion wherever I see it, because the alternative narrative is that he did, which just leads to glorifying the incompetence we're all witnessing... and that is not good.

Bolded is 100% correct.

And I'm going to continually push back. It is easy now to forget how close we were to losing the team. People bring up Woj's tweet about first and goal like it was wrong--it wasn't. We just made a hell of a goal line stand. Yes, KJ and co deserve the Slamson's share of credit, but there is no evidence that it all could have happened without Vivek. He said and did the right things at the right times to the right people, and we won. Ive heard things from folks on the front lines, and i doubt you will provide any info to convince me otherwise.

Now. Does that at all justify the way the team has been run since? Absolutely not. But it is possible to thank Vivek for his role in saving the Kings while at the same time criticise him for running them poorly.

 

[LPKingsFan]

But this is the day of social media. The tiny bits of information and half-truths take on a life of their own, which is a circus, and may only explain 5% of what is happening behind closed doors while the other 95% is not all that accurate. Yet, each time we hit the refresh button we are feeding the beast that we curse. We may be the crazy ones LOL.

Yes, we now live in the days where draft picks and even all star selections are spoiled on Twitter. It's a very different media landscape as even just a couple years ago. But I do think there is a significant difference in philosophy between the current FO and Petrie when it comes to the media. You might remember, there was a brief time in Petrie's tenure when leaks started spreading--a period that just so happened to correspond with Jason Levien, himself a former agent, joining the FO. And, of course, Levien did not last long. From what I heard, that was no coincidence. So, I wonder if there's something about these former agents now GMs who can't help but keep playing the media game. It's too bad, really.

 

[bajaden]

He did his job by making excuses, skirting around the issues, because he couldn't come out and say "My hands are tied by the owners' wallets, and I have to make a team just good enough to put buts in the seats without costing too much". Fans were really upset at the situation, because they could all guess at what was going on, but GP's FO was always either quiet, or re-directed the issue. The fans wanted clarity, and they got a smokescreen. Now, they are dealing with napalm.

If you want to say you'd rather have GP, then fine. But that doesn't mean people wouldn't still be up in arms with pitchforks and torches at how this team has been managed under Viv. They'd still be calling for heads to roll, and GP would be one of them.

Your wrong. Petrie would never have ever fired Malone. Not under the circumstances of which Malone was fired. Petrie always had patience with coaches, and with players. You can argue that at times he had too much patience, but whatever he did was usually well thought out. He also was loyal to whom ever was writing his paycheck, which if you think about it, that's what their paying him for. He took a lot of heat for things he probably wasn't responsible for, and never squealed once. Give me an example of anytime Petrie made and excuse for anything.