bajaden
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If you think about what he stated it makes no sense. He says that Petrie did his job by making excuses, and then proceeds to criticize Petrie for not making the excuses he suggests.
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If you think about what he stated it makes no sense. He says that Petrie did his job by making excuses, and then proceeds to criticize Petrie for not making the excuses he suggests.
Now THIS makes sense:
Tony Xypteras @TonyXypteras 2m2 minutes ago
Woj didn’t really say Cousins agents had issues with Karl, made it seem like the agent stuff has more to do with Vivek / Kings vision.
Tony Xypteras @TonyXypteras 2m2 minutes ago
Woj didn’t really say Cousins agents had issues with Karl, made it seem like the agent stuff has more to do with Vivek / Kings vision.
bajaden
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Naw, not in this world, and certainly not on this forum. Your either all good, or your all bad. Its truly, what have you done for me lately. I can still remember that feeling I had in the pit of my stomach when I thought all hope was lost. I'm grateful to Vivek and all the other minority owners for saving this team, and getting an arena deal done. I'm not going to stop be grateful because of the current circumstances. I'm also not going to stop criticizing them for the current circumstances either. Sometimes I think people take out all the frustration and anger they feel in life on this forum. Probably better here than somewhere else.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2015/02/08/george-karl-kings/23092785/
Cousins' agents, Dan Fegan and Jarrin Akana, have been adamantly opposed to Karl's hiring. But general manager Pete D'Alessandro appears to be willing to make the move without their consent. If that remains the case, and if Kings owner Vivek Ranadive approves as well, then the Kings may be on the verge of fixing what's broken with their fractured basketball team.
D'Alessandro was expected to discuss the situation with Cousins' representatives on Sunday afternoon. As it were, one of them told The Sacramento Bee on Sunday that they were not blocking the hiring. "Make the move; we don't run the team," the representative who was not identified by name reportedly said.
The Kings have lost 11 of their last 12 games and 19 of 25 since firing coach Michael Malone in mid-December.
This is published this Sunday by Sam Amick. Not sure what it's supposed tp mean. Seems to be at odds with a lot.
Cousins' agents, Dan Fegan and Jarrin Akana, have been adamantly opposed to Karl's hiring. But general manager Pete D'Alessandro appears to be willing to make the move without their consent. If that remains the case, and if Kings owner Vivek Ranadive approves as well, then the Kings may be on the verge of fixing what's broken with their fractured basketball team.
D'Alessandro was expected to discuss the situation with Cousins' representatives on Sunday afternoon. As it were, one of them told The Sacramento Bee on Sunday that they were not blocking the hiring. "Make the move; we don't run the team," the representative who was not identified by name reportedly said.
The Kings have lost 11 of their last 12 games and 19 of 25 since firing coach Michael Malone in mid-December.
Aaron Miles @_aaronmiles 17m17 minutes ago
According to @WojYahooNBA on the radio: sounds like Fegan is most upset at ownership inconsistency/lack of a real plan. Understandable
According to @WojYahooNBA on the radio: sounds like Fegan is most upset at ownership inconsistency/lack of a real plan. Understandable
Aaron Miles @_aaronmiles 17m17 minutes ago
According to @WojYahooNBA on the radio: sounds like Fegan is most upset at ownership inconsistency/lack of a real plan. Understandable
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What?!?! One of the most powerful agents in the game is concerned at the lack a real plan by the Kings? Who could have seen that coming? Oh wait...
Maybe everybody NOT working for the front office?
According to @WojYahooNBA on the radio: sounds like Fegan is most upset at ownership inconsistency/lack of a real plan. Understandable
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What?!?! One of the most powerful agents in the game is concerned at the lack a real plan by the Kings? Who could have seen that coming? Oh wait...
Maybe everybody NOT working for the front office?
Chubbs
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Woj makes it all sounds so much more reasonable than what Amick, and Amick alone, is reporting.
Amick with an ax to grind here?
Might also just be creating conflict where there isn't any. Seems hellbent on proving Cousins will never grow up, when it actually sounds like Cousins may have nothing to do with this.
A consensus of multiple other reporters seems to be indicating Amick has it wrong.
Amick with an ax to grind here?
Might also just be creating conflict where there isn't any. Seems hellbent on proving Cousins will never grow up, when it actually sounds like Cousins may have nothing to do with this.
A consensus of multiple other reporters seems to be indicating Amick has it wrong.
ParniValjak
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Amazing isn't it! Dan Fegan has every right to question EVERYTHING this franchise is doing. They have been pathetic from the very start.
The Hammer
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I'm not retrofitting my version of the events out of a sense of disappointment in the current state of the team.
I felt this at the time, and permitted Vivek's (self) glorification, because it seemed necessary to build up his candidacy, almost like running for office. But I believe any number of people could have filled that role, and that it was not a hard role to fill, given you had the money of course. The city essentially drafted Vivek as the "best player available", but there were other viable players. He was important, but he did not "Save Basketball In Sacramento". That notion is offensive.
BenThePizzaGuy
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Wow. If that's true, that's really sad and pathetic.
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rainmaker
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The natural followup to that is what does it means longer-term. This is a situation which is getting worse, not better as we've seen with the constant leaks of late and clear dysfunction within our FO, that of course being on top of what happened surrounding Malone.
This isn't just about Karl, although the leaks blaming Cuz and his agents surely won't help matters but this is about a lack of a greater vision, incompetence, an ever-changing plan if there even is one, and a real lack of leadership where the FO frankly is running amuck due to Vivek's lack of control and inability to run an NBA organization.
This is quite a concern as an agent like Fegan won't compartmentalize the greater situation into simply focusing in on Karl. No, the real threat is a power broker like Fegan looking at this complete and utterly incompetent mess and deciding to have options A, B and C to get Cuz out of here. There is no way Fegan isn't exploring an escape plan for Cuz.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Feels like this is the last chance. And by the way, the Kings should be pretty damn thankful they are getting another chance.
Karl has to work, and he's not exactly starting off on the right foot.
The Hammer
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They're not. The front office lied about that.
What they ARE is concerned about the lack of an overall plan.
Tetsujin
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I dunno, I got into a hour long argument with some chick on twitter who told me I was being too hard on PDA.
Look at the thread regarding Karl's style of coaching.
Bosnian Diehard
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Carmichael Dave @carmichaeldave · 2h 2 hours ago There are still hurdles, but they are rapidly dwindling.
Carmichael Dave @carmichaeldave · 5h 5 hours ago I see no realistic scenario that doesn't have George Karl coaching the Sacramento Kings in the very near future.
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You night have been too hard on PDA. What's coming out now seems to indicate Pete has been trying to get the Karl deal done for a while. But you know what? Bottom line for me is I'm not gonna worry about what it took. I'm just going to be happy if it gets done.
P.S. Face it. You can be rather acerbic at times.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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We don't know that just yet.
I mean, If the Kings are going to hire Karl, it looks better for just about everyone if the agents change their tune to focusing on Vivek / vision instead of the next head coach who the Kings are about to spend millions of dollars on.
This makes Karl look better. It makes Cousins look better. It makes Cousins camp look better. The only one this doesn't reflect well on is Vivek. Maybe he's taking the bullet. Who knows.
It's really hard to sift through all this stuff, because every report has some agenda or voice behind it.
Tetsujin
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There are still hurdles, but they are rapidly dwindling.
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Good?
Yep. Read back in the thread. I've tried to post the relevant stuff from Twitter.
No, we do not know that the front office lied. All we know is that some leaks might have been interpreted wrong...or actually intentionally put out there for nefarious reasons. You cannot make a judgment on much of this crap as they're all part of the circus.
rainmaker
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Yeah I agree with that. Cuz's future in Sac hangs on whether Karl works or not. If Karl doesn't work out, Cuz bolts. But the Kings put themselves in that situation. No one to blame but themselves. It's the greater incompetence which makes the Karl hiring and the success there of a do or die scenario.
The Hammer
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Yep. Read back in the thread. I've tried to post the relevant stuff from Twitter.
No, we do not know that the front office lied. All we know is that some leaks might have been interpreted wrong...or actually intentionally put out there for nefarious reasons. You cannot make a judgment on much of this crap as they're all part of the circus.
Ok. You're right we don't know that they lied for the second time regarding an issue with Cousins. We do know they lied once. And we also know they distorted Malone's position regarding keeping Cousins. I personally, know they're slimy, so they're kind of out of the benefits of doubts in my book.
Btw - lie, as I use it, is an intentional attempt to mislead.
Glenn
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Let us assume things fall into place. Two years ago we did not have Gay or Karl. Both are substantial improvements over a team that had essentially no SF and had no coach of substance. I don't know what Fegan wants to know about our future plans except try it make us and the FO uncomfortable.
What more does he want? **** him.
Have him work on his client's TOs.
What more does he want? **** him.
Have him work on his client's TOs.
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At the risk of making you even madder, I will say this:
Fegan is the agent for a once-in-a-decade player (and that's being cautious about DMC's future). As such, I think he has every right in the world to want to ensure that the organization knows what the hell it's doing especially considering what we've seen thus far. If Cousins wasn't as loyal as he is, this could already be very ugly. Reassurance and a peak at the vision aren't too much to ask.
The Hammer
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Ditto.
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