Cal Expo needs to make hard decision

#3
Just to show I'm not just Mr. Doom and Gloom, I'll make this point. During the summer, the state started kicking around the idea of selling state properties and renting them back (holds back on merits as politics are a no/no here.)

Cal Expo was kicked around.

Friday, it was reported that 11 places are going up for sale - Cal Expo not on the list. http://www.sacbee.com/2010/02/26/2568310/california-puts-11-office-buildings.html

That's some good news on the arena front. The state selling Expo would probably be fatal to the process. Moreover, the state could see hopes for a modern fair grounds coming out of this - since the best plan will require a state vote - the state's call to not sell is a very good thing.
 
#4
Thanks for the link Larry. I was wondering what happened to that. I remember John Moag being completely in the dark as to what that meant for the original NBA/Cal Expo plan but thankfully, that's a moot point for now.
 

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#5
Isn't the Cal Expo location dead now? Have there not been some preliminary agreements about land swap for downtown location or locations? Thats the only place it will work and be the best for the City and surrounding area.
 
#6
Cal Expo is done as a location, but they still have a huge say in this process and could be a potential stumbling block in several respects. If they pull out, it’s over.


The convergence plan calls for: Expo goes to the developers, the city kicks in Natomas and railyard land, the state fair gets the Natomas location as well as the current arena – which is converted into an expo hall, and an arena is built downtown – which the city gets after 30 years. (Or at least that’s somewhat how the plan works) Q & R involved three parties that negotiated very hard - the Kings, Thomas, and the city (voter approval was needed, but they weren’t at the bargaining table) and the devil was in the details. Things started to break down/completely fell apart over issues like parking and the sphere of influence. Granted you could make the point there were larger flaws and voter approval was always unlikely, but you cannot deny there was at least the potential for a framework that would have provided significant benefits to all three parties that was never realized over negotiations on a few key items. In the end, those negotiations caused the Maloofs to pull out of the deal before the vote.


Now you’ve got 4 parties, more moving parts, and you need state approval. This is harder than the old Expo plan. The good news is it appears to have viable funding. But let’s look at some of the potential stumbling blocks. Right now, we shouldn’t be concerned about any particular issue but you should realize these stumbling blocks are very real. Again, it’s one thing to create an overall framework and another to hammer out the details.


City: Pretty simple here. They kick in some city land - their corner of the Natomas land and a portion of the railyard earmarked for a new transportation hub. In return the public gets a new arena, which the city owns after 30 years, plus all the development and economic benefits. That seems pretty simple and a no brainer. Of course issues like the balance of the Kings loan and infrastructure costs – which crept into the last negotiation – could move back onto the table (right now they appear to be off) if funding/developer costs are a problem. As could, a sphere of influence. As could, city council politics.


Kings: They pay rent and get to play in a new facility. Compared to Q & R they get a lot less. I guess they are fine with that. It appears they will at least need to negotiate over things like parking revenues and rent. It’s unclear because we don’t have a complete framework, but it looks like the developer will be buying the Kings Natomas land and some of that money will pay off the loan. If so, the sale price could be a huge sticking point.


The developer – gets the Expo land to develop and an undetermined portion of the arena profits for 30 years. They have to pay for the arena, the Kings land in Natomas?, and then turn around and improve the land with at least some of the facilities for a new state fairground? Yikes! There is a lot of money to be made here, but to make that money and/or even make a project pencil out. They have to control costs. That primarily involves reducing and shifting cots, which all of the other parties may want/need to oppose. There are a lot of terms and issues to hammer out here.


The State Fair – Hey, remember we started here! On the surface it’s pretty simple. They’ve got an old location with poor facilities and – while they end up with a much smaller plot of land – they should/could end up with a better facility. That sounds pretty easy, but I know a lot of people that think this could be the weak link. So far, we’ve been told the plan calls for Arco to be renovated into a modern expo hall. Which would be great for the fair. Let’s assume that most of the parking lot stays parking and some is converted easily (some tree and barrier removal) for the rides. Also, we’ll plan on some relatively inexpensive structures on the city land (dirt) for livestock barns and a small rodeo ring. That seems very doable. Of course, nobody is talking about those last few items and the Expo board can’t finance them. They are way in the red and I wouldn’t bank on getting state dollars. But I’ll assume that gets done. The state fair gets good revenue from the concerts and halls just for vendors … right now, it’s unclear whether they will get the developer to construct those. The plan doesn’t seem to call for them building a completely new fairground. Maybe the Cal Expo board will be logical and say – we aren’t getting everything we want but there some very good things and we’ll try to finance what we need later. Then again, maybe they feel like they are giving up too much / are the stepchild in the deal. First, you need the board to approve the final deal. That vote will turn on what is best for the fair – not the city or Kings fans. Second, you need to get the state to approve the deal.


See it’s really easy! You just need four groups to hammer out a deal that involves over a billion dollars in assets, legislature approval, multiple land swaps, 30 year leases, and slicing up huge revenue streams. You’ve probably need to get that done in about a year. Nothing to it.
 
#8
Thanks for the informative post David. Much appreciated.

A couple questions. Where does Macquarie Capital fit into all of this? I was under the assumption that they would pay back the other half of the money fronted for the arena. After adding up interest rates on the loan for an arena, I was under the assumption that it would cost around $5 to $600 million. The Maloofs would pay half of it in the form of rent at a rate of $10 million per season over 30 years and that Macquarie, eager to get their feet wet in North America, would take care of the rest, supposedly getting naming rights and other throws ins in return.

Is any of this correct or do the numbers still need to be negotiated?

Also, what about up front costs for the arena? I was always under the impression that the city had a billion dollars or so that they would front to the developers and that in order to finance the arena, it was just a matter of who and how would that be paid off. With the Macquarie Capital and Maloof money, I was thinking that that was taken care of. Am I wrong or is this correct and it's just a matter of negotiating the Natomas and Cal Expo angles before going to the next step?

Also, I keep hearing about a 2015 opening for the arena which always sounded late. That would mean that ground wouldn't be broken until the summer of 2013 which is still over 3 years off. Is this due to the lack of infrastructure at the railyards or does it have to do with the fact that there is no up front money from the city and part of financing the up front costs is from selling parcels from Cal Expo and since that takes time, we won't see a groundbreaking until 2013?

I know I'm probably off on a lot of this but any clarifying would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
#9
My understanding is this – Kamilos needs Macquarie Capital to finance the upfront costs of constructing the arena and whatever is built for the state fair people in Natomas. The profit for Kamios – and thereby interest to Macquaire – comes from developing the Cal Expo land, which they would own, plus Maloof rent, plus whatever else they can generate. Thus Kamilos/Macquaire put up the upfront arena costs – not the city. The Maloofs appear to be renters – and not paying for the construction up front.

Infrastructure appears to be an open question – at least I’m not aware of any agreement. That would appear to be a “who pays and how much” debate between the City, Kamios, and maybe others. Heck, Thomas might even be invited to the table for that issue.

However, I strongly doubt the city has a billion waiting for that project. I think they’ve got some federal money earmarked for that project and they might be able to finance most/all or the infrastructure costs without a public vote… however, this issue was revealed as one of the deal breakers for Q&R – the city made it sound like the infrastructure money would be there and when they started talking hard numbers … it wasn’t there. While they might have some stimulus or other transportation money now, the city is now broke. So I wouldn’t assume anything is done here until somebody confirms it.

The infrastructure issue is just one of many hurdles that lie in the details. Everybody from the city, Cal Expo, and the Kings are going to claim – I need this and I’m only going to pay X for it. Every concession from Kamilos means more debt from Macquaire, which means this is less likely to happen.

If everybody works together – and quickly – with the primary goal of getting a deal done, it could happen. If people not only take the types of posture/position Cal Expo was spouting today – but hold them throughout the process … I wouldn’t be worried about when they break ground … but rather if this ever happens.
 
#10
My understanding is this – Kamilos needs Macquarie Capital to finance the upfront costs of constructing the arena and whatever is built for the state fair people in Natomas. The profit for Kamios – and thereby interest to Macquaire – comes from developing the Cal Expo land, which they would own, plus Maloof rent, plus whatever else they can generate. Thus Kamilos/Macquaire put up the upfront arena costs – not the city. The Maloofs appear to be renters – and not paying for the construction up front.

Infrastructure appears to be an open question – at least I’m not aware of any agreement. That would appear to be a “who pays and how much” debate between the City, Kamios, and maybe others. Heck, Thomas might even be invited to the table for that issue.

However, I strongly doubt the city has a billion waiting for that project. I think they’ve got some federal money earmarked for that project and they might be able to finance most/all or the infrastructure costs without a public vote… however, this issue was revealed as one of the deal breakers for Q&R – the city made it sound like the infrastructure money would be there and when they started talking hard numbers … it wasn’t there. While they might have some stimulus or other transportation money now, the city is now broke. So I wouldn’t assume anything is done here until somebody confirms it.

The infrastructure issue is just one of many hurdles that lie in the details. Everybody from the city, Cal Expo, and the Kings are going to claim – I need this and I’m only going to pay X for it. Every concession from Kamilos means more debt from Macquaire, which means this is less likely to happen.

If everybody works together – and quickly – with the primary goal of getting a deal done, it could happen. If people not only take the types of posture/position Cal Expo was spouting today – but hold them throughout the process … I wouldn’t be worried about when they break ground … but rather if this ever happens.
Thanks again. I knew I was off on some of the details but at the same time, there are lots of people involved in this who seemed to oversimplify things when they got caught up in the excitement when this was announced.

Let's hope that nobody gets wet feet. Heck, it doesn't even have to be Cal Expo. If the Macquarie Capital starts hitting the skids, the whole project could very well bite the dust. They are major players in this.
 
#11
The city did get funds from both the state and feds for relocating the tracks. I can't recall how much that was, but Thomas is getting bids right now on that and it should be a very active construction site later this year. This was a key sticking point because the state earmarked funds for this and then the ugly budget fiasco tied up the funds. As far as I know the city met all their obligations and deadines and this is funded and ready to move forward no matter what happens with the arena.
 
#12
The city promised Thomas $1 billion in pure subsidy money. A lot of that is for infrastructure, I believe. I Know they have State money committed for some affordable housing on the site. Actully Thomas was pretty frustrated with how slow the city was moving on getting some of that money. The city does have some committed now, but are just incredibly slow-moving on the whole thing.

When I say $1 billion, keep in mind that it will be years before the Railyards are built out, so they do not have to have it all up front. There will be multiple phases and funding from local, state and federal levels.

The reason the Maloofs backed off on Q & R, was explained in the Bee, but I don't have time to look for it. Basically, both the NBA and the Maloofs were apparently led to believe, by the city, that the portion of that $1 billion needed to get going was already committed.

Then shortly after the campaign for Q & R got started, they found out from Thomas that the city had zero money committed and available. The city didn't even have a plan for where to get it, at the time. The Maloofs felt they'd been seriously mislead by the city and walked away from backing Q & R. Thomas was threatening to walk away, too, if he didn't get some money soon. So the Maloofs, the NBA and Thomas were all pretty angry at the city, at the time.

They city has some of that money committed now from successful applications for federal and state dollars.
 
#13
I realized I wasn't clear with my last statement. The city got money to move the tracks and do some road work. They don't have near the billion dollars to do all the infrastructure work for the railyards.