Brenden Haywood

[BDIZZNOT]

As we all know our team is looking for a big body that could rebound and block shots. I really think a guy like Haywood would be perfect for our team. He's willing to fight and scrap for every rebound and is a very legitimate shot blocker. I also figured he would be a perfect fit with our stacked offensive team because he doesnt demand the ball and could care less about the amount of touches he gets. For real this guy is an animal!

 

[bajaden]

Haywood is a very good defensive player. I suggested him in another thread last week. His contract is up at the end of this season, so unless we were willing to offer him a reasonable 2 or 3 year deal, he would just be short term fix for this year. He's going to be 31 years old, so thats always a risk, and he's been a little injury prone the last few years. I do think he would be a good mentor to Hawes. He is exactly what the team needs. Its a shame that he's not younger.

 

[BDIZZNOT]

Exactly I agree...he's a very solid player and definitely seems like he would be a good guy to have in the locker room for our younger bigs. I dont think we trade for him this season (even though Washington is clearly desperate for a trade) but wait til the offseason and see if we can sign him to a reasonable 3yr contract.

 

[bajaden]

Exactly I agree...he's a very solid player and definitely seems like he would be a good guy to have in the locker room for our younger bigs. I dont think we trade for him this season (even though Washington is clearly desperate for a trade) but wait til the offseason and see if we can sign him to a reasonable 3yr contract.

I wouldn't have a problem bringing him into the fold. It would depend on what he wants. I believe he's making around 6 mil this year. If we were to go three years, I would want the third year to be a team option. Of course the advantage of trading for him would be we would get to try him out for half a year and see how he fits with the team. I believe that we would also aquire his bird rights. I'd have to look that up, but I believe thats accurate.

 

[Bricklayer]

Exactly I agree...he's a very solid player and definitely seems like he would be a good guy to have in the locker room for our younger bigs.

Apparently I am the only one who remembers that Haywood used to have monthly brawls with his teammate (Etan Thomas) a few years back. Not arguments, or shouting matches, or even pushing matches -- brawls. And apparently over nothing more than jealousy/desire for more minutes. So yeah, great lockerroom guy.

 

[NME]

Apparently I am the only one who remembers that Haywood used to have monthly brawls with his teammate (Etan Thomas) a few years back. Not arguments, or shouting matches, or even pushing matches -- brawls. And apparently over nothing more than jealousy/desire for more minutes. So yeah, great lockerroom guy.

But no gunplay, so maybe a good influence by that teams standards.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I don't see the point in bringing in someone that old.

 

[bajaden]

Apparently I am the only one who remembers that Haywood used to have monthly brawls with his teammate (Etan Thomas) a few years back. Not arguments, or shouting matches, or even pushing matches -- brawls. And apparently over nothing more than jealousy/desire for more minutes. So yeah, great lockerroom guy.

You said you wanted toughness!..

 

[bajaden]

I don't see the point in bringing in someone that old.

Well the point is to help the team short term until a young player can step into the role. He's 30 years old. Vlade was 30 years old when he came to the Kings. And he is a very good defensive player. I would prefer Okafor because he's younger. But either would help stabilize the front line. Bringing in a DeAndre Jordan or someone else of that ilk, is nice, but its not going to solve any immediate problems. Hey, if you can get me Kaman, I'm all for it. Good bigs are hard to come by, and they cost money. Home grown ones take time. I think the Kings are ready to make a move, so they need some experienced players to meld in with the young ones without taking away time from the young players. Unless your Wade or LeBron of course.

 

[BMiller52]

Heck yes lets get Haywood. He's been one of my favorite defensive centers for a while. He'd add a lot of toughness, post D, and rebounding to this team. I don't care that he's 30. He can still play, should be able to for a couple years, and it's not fair to the guys on the team to not fill a need just because a little problem with dude's age. He's not THAT old. Plenty of good team's have centers that are primarily defensive guys. Or a PF that's primarily a defensive guy. Look at:

Houston: they start chuck hayes
Boston: Perkins
SA: McDyess(man to man D)
Dallas: Dampier

 

[BDIZZNOT]

I don't see the point in bringing in someone that old.

Are you kidding me this guy is 30 yrs old your acting as if he's getting senior citizen discounts! Do you not realize how many players we acquired when they were in there 30's. Vlade, Jim Jackson, Keon Clark, are just a few to name and to my knowledge they all did their role that they were brought in to do. Btw theres also a guy by the name of steve nash who is in his mid 30's and probably having one of the best seasons of his career. So to say there is no point to bring in haywood you are clearly overlooking his talents based on his age instead of seeing what he brings to the table

 

[Kings Fan Gerard]

But no gunplay, so maybe a good influence by that teams standards.

Lol, they just couldn't take the bullets out of Washington.

 

[BDIZZNOT]

Apparently I am the only one who remembers that Haywood used to have monthly brawls with his teammate (Etan Thomas) a few years back. Not arguments, or shouting matches, or even pushing matches -- brawls. And apparently over nothing more than jealousy/desire for more minutes. So yeah, great lockerroom guy.

You make a very good point but all the blame cant be put on Haywood because it does take two to tango. Im not justifying that Haywood didnt have a thing to do with the brawls which im sure he had some part to do with them (ask Etan's braid) but you have to look at the current situation he is in. According to you, the fighting and bickering has to do with minutes. In Haywoods current situation he's been sharing his PT with Andray Blatche who averages around 22 min a game and not once have I heard about an altercation that has occurred between the two. Btw if you look back on Sacs various transactions we have taken so many players that were so called "problematic" but eventually straightened out with us and fit in perfectly with team chemistry. So I say look at Haywood and give this guy a chance because gritty bigs dont come around too often and you cant be picky.

 

[BDIZZNOT]

and the young bigs can learn a lot from a seasoned vet like him

 

[est.1999]

This whole craze about bringing in only youngsters is ridiculous. Vlade4GM, I don't think I've ever seen interest from you for an aging player. What's your deal? Stacking up youngsters and draft picks gets you no where. Unless you use them to trade for a star player like Garnett or webber in which they are getting up there in age. Haywood is not that old. You need a good mix of youngsters and veterans anyways.

 

[ParniValjak]

This whole craze about bringing in only youngsters is ridiculous. Vlade4GM, I don't think I've ever seen interest from you for an aging player. What's your deal? Stacking up youngsters and draft picks gets you no where. Unless you use them to trade for a star player like Garnett or webber in which they are getting up there in age. Haywood is not that old. You need a good mix of youngsters and veterans anyways.

its OK to trade for someone who is considered a vet but only if they fit in with the direction you are taking.

With a young team that is out of contention and probably will be until the kids mature, you don't want to recruit anyone who is over 25 or 26 years of age. Kind of what we did with trading for Webber except we didn't have a hell of a lot young talent on the books back then.

Or you could blow up the young assets on aging superstarts for one last roll of the dice alal Boston with Garrnett and Ray Ray!

IMHO, we shouldn't be considering many players that are over 25 or 26 unless they specigically fill a need and that type of player is generally hard to aquire.

We are still in the process of collecting young talent that will hopefully mature together and be the make up of the contender in the future. By the time these young kids mature I am not sure that Haywood will still be around as an impact player.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Well the point is to help the team short term until a young player can step into the role. He's 30 years old. Vlade was 30 years old when he came to the Kings. And he is a very good defensive player. I would prefer Okafor because he's younger. But either would help stabilize the front line. Bringing in a DeAndre Jordan or someone else of that ilk, is nice, but its not going to solve any immediate problems. Hey, if you can get me Kaman, I'm all for it. Good bigs are hard to come by, and they cost money. Home grown ones take time. I think the Kings are ready to make a move, so they need some experienced players to meld in with the young ones without taking away time from the young players. Unless your Wade or LeBron of course.

The only move this team is ready to make is a first round exit in the playoffs at best. Obviously it all depends on what we'd give up for Haywood, but if it costs any younger players or picks I'm completely against it. Short term gains should not be the priority at the moment, if it comes as icing on the cake to long term gains, sure, but that's probably not the case here.

 

[Vlade4GM]

its OK to trade for someone who is considered a vet but only if they fit in with the direction you are taking.

With a young team that is out of contention and probably will be until the kids mature, you don't want to recruit anyone who is over 25 or 26 years of age. Kind of what we did with trading for Webber except we didn't have a hell of a lot young talent on the books back then.

Or you could blow up the young assets on aging superstarts for one last roll of the dice alal Boston with Garrnett and Ray Ray!

IMHO, we shouldn't be considering many players that are over 25 or 26 unless they specigically fill a need and that type of player is generally hard to aquire.

We are still in the process of collecting young talent that will hopefully mature together and be the make up of the contender in the future. By the time these young kids mature I am not sure that Haywood will still be around as an impact player.

Exactly, he doesn't fall within our window of contention.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I think the main thing to consider on Haywood is his contract, which is an expiring. I don't know about the Wizards, but most teams like expiring contracts especially the kind that are 7' and play pretty good paint D and rebound. I don't know if Haywood is even available?

 

[Vlade4GM]

I think the main thing to consider on Haywood is his contract, which is an expiring. I don't know about the Wizards, but most teams like expiring contracts especially the kind that are 7' and play pretty good paint D and rebound. I don't know if Haywood is even available?

I doubt the Wizards are looking to take on a longer deal, they're looking to dump salary right now. If they're going to use Haywood for anything other than an expiring it would be for young players or picks.

 

[bajaden]

IMHO, we shouldn't be considering many players that are over 25 or 26 unless they specigically fill a need and that type of player is generally hard to aquire.

I thought thats exactly what I was doing. Haywood specifically fills a need and is the type of player thats hard to aquire. Will someone please list for me all the good defensive centers in the league that are under 25 years of age. The Kings are weak in the middle and they don't need someone that has to learn the position, but someone that already knows how to play the position. 30 years of age might be old for someone you want to build around, but its not old for a support player. Right now the Kings are getting their butts beat by teams that are made up of players that are 30 plus years old.

Now I'm not suggesting thats what we need to do. But you do need some players that have been to the wars before. I'm not saying it has to be Haywood. But when you look around the league for the type of help the Kings need, and you remove all those players that are likely untouchable, the pickings get slim. Sure, we might get lucky and pick up a defensive big in the draft. But the chances of him coming in and contributing right away are slim. Big men take time. Look at Thabeet. He's having a hard time getting on the floor. I'm sure he'll be fine in time, but thats the point, it takes time. As I said, my first choice is still Okafor.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I thought thats exactly what I was doing. Haywood specifically fills a need and is the type of player thats hard to aquire. Will someone please list for me all the good defensive centers in the league that are under 25 years of age. The Kings are weak in the middle and they don't need someone that has to learn the position, but someone that already knows how to play the position. 30 years of age might be old for someone you want to build around, but its not old for a support player. Right now the Kings are getting their butts beat by teams that are made up of players that are 30 plus years old.

Now I'm not suggesting thats what we need to do. But you do need some players that have been to the wars before. I'm not saying it has to be Haywood. But when you look around the league for the type of help the Kings need, and you remove all those players that are likely untouchable, the pickings get slim. Sure, we might get lucky and pick up a defensive big in the draft. But the chances of him coming in and contributing right away are slim. Big men take time. Look at Thabeet. He's having a hard time getting on the floor. I'm sure he'll be fine in time, but thats the point, it takes time. As I said, my first choice is still Okafor.

This would make sense if we were anywhere close to contending for a championship, but we're not.

 

[bajaden]

This would make sense if we were anywhere close to contending for a championship, but we're not.

How close were we to contending for a championship when we signed Vlade?

 

[Vlade4GM]

How close were we to contending for a championship when we signed Vlade?

Fair enough, but we had a franchise big at the time and that goes a long way. He wasn't 20 years old either, so Webber's window became our window. Also, Vlade was a skills-oriented big, that lasts a lot longer than banger rebounder/shot blocker.

Regardless of that, why trade for Haywood? He's going to be a free agent after this season anyways, why give up anything just to have him a few months? We don't need his bird rights because if he costs more than the cap space we have, he's really not worth it anyways.

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

Is everybody forgetting that he was the 2nd man involved in the Wizards' gun allegations? Supposedly he drew a gun back on Arenas. Talk about a freakin' locker room cancer! I don't care how good he is defensively!

Artest was very bad for chemistry, but at least he didn't pull out guns in the locker room...

 

[Vlade4GM]

Is everybody forgetting that he was the 2nd man involved in the Wizards' gun allegations? Supposedly he drew a gun back on Arenas. Talk about a freakin' locker room cancer! I don't care how good he is defensively!

Artest was very bad for chemistry, but at least he didn't pull out guns in the locker room...

Unless the story has changed, I believe that was allegedly Crittenton not Haywood.

 

[Kingster]

Well the point is to help the team short term until a young player can step into the role. He's 30 years old. Vlade was 30 years old when he came to the Kings. And he is a very good defensive player. I would prefer Okafor because he's younger. But either would help stabilize the front line. Bringing in a DeAndre Jordan or someone else of that ilk, is nice, but its not going to solve any immediate problems. Hey, if you can get me Kaman, I'm all for it. Good bigs are hard to come by, and they cost money. Home grown ones take time. I think the Kings are ready to make a move, so they need some experienced players to meld in with the young ones without taking away time from the young players. Unless your Wade or LeBron of course.

Our young players are already into their roles. No point in putting them in the back seat now for a 30 year old guy.

 

[BDIZZNOT]

Is everybody forgetting that he was the 2nd man involved in the Wizards' gun allegations? Supposedly he drew a gun back on Arenas. Talk about a freakin' locker room cancer! I don't care how good he is defensively!

Artest was very bad for chemistry, but at least he didn't pull out guns in the locker room...

Before calling guys cancers and throwing out Artest comparisons please get your information correct. Here this might help you out... http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...28vLYF?slug=ap-wizards-guns&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[BMiller52]

Is everybody forgetting that he was the 2nd man involved in the Wizards' gun allegations? Supposedly he drew a gun back on Arenas. Talk about a freakin' locker room cancer! I don't care how good he is defensively!

Artest was very bad for chemistry, but at least he didn't pull out guns in the locker room...

No he wasn't that was Crittenton.

 

[VF21]

How close were we to contending for a championship when we signed Vlade?

Not the same. You can't seriously believe that Brendan Haywood could bring everything to the Kings that we got with Vlade, can you? He set the tone and molded our franchise into what it was to become. Haywood can block shots and play some defense. He is nothing even remotely close to being in the same chapter as Vlade, let alone on the same page...

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Hrm. Apparently I still haven't completely gotten over Divac's departure.