Brad Miller

[Omaha-King7275]

brick you have so many bad things to say about brad i couldnt even read them all. have you forgotten about him being an all star in 03-04, he was also deserving last season but so was webber and he wasnt voted on. he's still very tough, a great passer, and you try to make it sound like he's extremely weak but none of us would go in the ring with him. he's still capable of lighting it up, he'll be back to the all-star caliber player he was 2 seasons ago. I'm glad that you agree about how he is the system, but he's not that unathletic. oh and increasing reps does increase strength, you must have skipped past that 4 year military part. although most nutritionists say it depends on your metabolism so who knows

 

[Jerryaki]

...if you are a smart GM what you have to do is surround Brad with players who ar ANTI-Brad's. Athletes, rebounders, post players, shot blockers. People who commpliment him and cover up his weaknesses, rather than amplifying them.

so my question to everyone is, is something like reggie evans + bonzi wells enough of an athletic compliment with peja and bibby to be competitive?

 

[ONEZERO]

brad is tough. he just doesnt have the mechanics to be a very athletic defender or rebounder. like someone stated earlier in this thread about those warrior and knicks games. he was going off and fighting for every bucket and rebound. he'll be an all star again this upcoming season, no doubt in my mind.

 

[Bricklayer]

brick you have so many bad things to say about brad i couldnt even read them all. have you forgotten about him being an all star in 03-04, he was also deserving last season but so was webber and he wasnt voted on. he's still very tough, a great passer, and you try to make it sound like he's extremely weak but none of us would go in the ring with him. he's still capable of lighting it up, he'll be back to the all-star caliber player he was 2 seasons ago. I'm glad that you agree about how he is the system, but he's not that unathletic. oh and increasing reps does increase strength, you must have skipped past that 4 year military part. although most nutritionists say it depends on your metabolism so who knows

I heard you the first time about the military, for whatever relevance that is susposed to have. However, I also ignored it since been weight training for 20 years. Reps only help stength to a certain point and then its just endurance. Look nice and ripped, but if you want to keep on increasing mass and strength you have to add weight even if it means dropping the reps, and then work the reps back up. Rinse repeat.

And yes, I look at Brad realistically, which is to say not as a homer. And he has a lot of weaknesses. In the mid-90's he would barely have been a Top 10 center, if that. He's an "All-Star" just given the lack of options out there. His value to us outweighs his value to other teams with less use for his passing.

 

[sono]

I have a new idea. Can the Kings and Pacers decide to join forces next year, and play half of their home games in Indy and half in Sac? Think about this starting lineup:

Brad Miller
Jermaine O'Neal
Peja Stojakovic
Ron Artest
Mike Bibby

Yes... and add to that mess the Heats and get rid off Brad.
Is there anyone else left in the Kings roster who's not under microscope? GP do something, we are getting nuts...

 

[thesanityannex]

so my question to everyone is, is something like reggie evans + bonzi wells enough of an athletic compliment with peja and bibby to be competitive?

competitive, sure. absolutely. championship, no. but fun basketball to watch, and thats what i'm here for.

 

[KingKong]

ANyone remember Luke Ridnour running into a Brad Miller screen during the playoffs, after which he had to be sidelined. I don't know why i just thought of that.

 

[kings52/23]

ya that was great

 

[SacTownKid]

Well Brad did say he's going to be lifting this summer to able take the banging next season. I'll give him a chance. Other than that Brad Miller is a very very good player.

 

[Kings113]

ANyone remember Luke Ridnour running into a Brad Miller screen during the playoffs, after which he had to be sidelined. I don't know why i just thought of that.

Oh yeah, he got a pretty big bruise on his face, had a towel/ice on it.

James or someone didn't protect, keep watch of his guard.

Yeah, Brad said he's going to be adding muscle, and working out/in a barn with his bro.

 

[ParniValjak]

Brad Miller is one of the best Cs going around and IMHO a very under-rated player. Yes he struggles a bit defensively and he has no post game but he is still a bloody good player. If we could get a PF that would compliment Miller, he would be a vastly improved player. Thats why someone like Nene would have been a very good fit. Someone like Chandler would be perfect.

Brad will be an All-Star this season. No questions about it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brad Miller is one of the best Cs going around and IMHO a very under-rated player. Yes he struggles a bit defensively and he has no post game but he is still a bloody good player. If we could get a PF that would compliment Miller, he would be a vastly improved player. Thats why someone like Nene would have been a very good fit. Someone like Chandler would be perfect.

Brad will be an All-Star this season. No questions about it.

If Amare is moving back to PF, think that is a likely (health permitting). Yao and Brad seem the most likely candidates. But again, if he's a 15 and 9 "All-Star" the designation itself doesn't mean much other than that other centers really suck. Call him a PF with those numbers and he's not even remotely a consideration.

 

[starks]

I heard you the first time about the military, for whatever relevance that is susposed to have. However, I also ignored it since been weight training for 20 years. Reps only help stength to a certain point and then its just endurance. Look nice and ripped, but if you want to keep on increasing mass and strength you have to add weight even if it means dropping the reps, and then work the reps back up. Rinse repeat.

And yes, I look at Brad realistically, which is to say not as a homer. And he has a lot of weaknesses. In the mid-90's he would barely have been a Top 10 center, if that. He's an "All-Star" just given the lack of options out there. His value to us outweighs his value to other teams with less use for his passing.

name 10 C better than brad?

 

[KingsFan54]

My problem has always been his conditioning. Not neccessarily his stamina, he proved that with some LONG minute play last year at times.

It's his work out. He could be more muscular and defined. Therefore putting a bit more weight and strength with him, making him more solid. But right after the season he said yeah I'll be workin out with my brother in a gym i have in a barn in Indiana. I won't increase the weight I use though, I've never believed in working out with heavy weights, but I'll increase my repititions. That's complete bull****. I've been working out for 13 years. If I use the same weight and just increase repititions, not only will I not get any stronger, I'll lose some weight/muscle mass. All increasing the reps does is increase stamina and possibly tone if done right.

low weight, more reps, = more defined. seems like you connerdicted yourself.

 

[Bricklayer]

name 10 C better than brad?

In the 90's?

Not too hard:

The obvious ones:
Shaq
Hakeem
Admiral
Ewing
Mourning
Daugherty
Deke

and then your choice of:
Vlade
Smits
Seikaly
Sabonis
etc.

Parrish, Moses and Laimbeer were still 15 and 9 productive in the early years of the decade, there were a whole parade of guys who may or may not have also been right there depending on the year etc. -- call them the Duckworth class. Willis, Camby, Ellison, Big Z even Stanley Roberts and Big Country Reeves all had years as big or bigger than anything Brad has put together. There were also some notable PF-as-C years with people liek Antonio McDyess lining up at the 5 ala Amare.

It was an era of giants and Brad would have had absolutely no chance to even sniff an All-Star game. Luckily for us times change. 15 and 9 are good solid numbers. But they were not All-Star numbers, especially when paired with defensive laibilites...that is until the centers went the way of the dinosaur.

 

[starks]

In the 90's?

Not too hard:

The obvious ones:
Shaq
Hakeem
Admiral
Ewing
Mourning
Daugherty
Deke

and then your choice of:
Vlade
Smits
Seikaly
Sabonis
etc.

Parrish, Moses and Laimbeer were still 15 and 9 productive in the early years of the decade, there were a whole parade of guys who may or may not have also been right there depending on the year etc. -- call them the Duckworth class. Willis, Camby, Ellison, Big Z even Stanley Roberts and Big Country Reeves all had years as big or bigger than anything Brad has put together. There were also some notable PF-as-C years with people liek Antonio McDyess lining up at the 5 ala Amare.

It was an era of giants and Brad would have had absolutely no chance to even sniff an All-Star game. Luckily for us times change. 15 and 9 are good solid numbers. But they were not All-Star numbers, especially when paired with defensive laibilites...that is until the centers went the way of the dinosaur.

no...i didn't mean in the '90's....i mean now...i don't see 10 c better than brad...shaq, yao and ....?

 

[Bricklayer]

no...i didn't mean in the '90's....i mean now...i don't see 10 c better than brad...shaq, yao and ....?

Well that's an odd question -- I don't think anybody would argue there are 10 better centers than Brad out there right now. My point was simply that the reason for that is because the center positon is completely pathetic right now. There were times in the mid-90's when "All-Star Center" pretty much meant 25pts 11rebs 3blks.

As an aside, there are exactly two centers clearly better than Brad right now:

Shaq
Big Ben

There are another handful probably a little better because of size, post games and shotblocking:

Big Z
Yao

A few more somewhere near his level who do it differently so its hard to compare:

Curry
Camby
Magliore

A few young guys who might be better in the not too distant future:

Dalembert
Bogut

And a few guys like Dampier who might be as good in any given year when they give a damn.

Of all of those guys, I would say that Brad might be more valuable to us than anybody but the first two because of his ability to run the offense (note though that I actually think both Yao and Big Z have good passing skills and smarts and think they might be able to do the Vlade and run some of our stuff from the post). On the other hand, I would say that his value to the other teams is such that I'm not sure ANY of them would trade their guys for him. Maybe New Orleans, and possibly Chicago with the heart situation for Curry. On some sort of overall ranking he could be anywhere from #3 (probably a few too high) to #8 (I'd have to see your argument for Magliore). Personaly, I think #4 to #6.

 

[Nikos]

In the 90's?


and then your choice of:
Vlade
Smits
Seikaly
Sabonis
etc.

Parrish, Moses and Laimbeer were still 15 and 9 productive in the early years of the decade, there were a whole parade of guys who may or may not have also been right there depending on the year etc. -- call them the Duckworth class. Willis, Camby, Ellison, Big Z even Stanley Roberts and Big Country Reeves all had years as big or bigger than anything Brad has put together. There were also some notable PF-as-C years with people liek Antonio McDyess lining up at the 5 ala Amare.

Wouldn't Brad pretty much be on the level of the Smits, Seikaly's? Of course the 00's aren't over yet so I could see more big PF/C's finding form this decade as well. Brad probably has 2-3 very good years left in this system if he can stay healthy.

 

[DocHolliday]

oh and docholliday, increasing reps and not weight will give you strength and definition, you learn about that stuff when your in the military for 4 years.

Text books and practical are 2 different things. I have put it in motion. Yes lifting your own weight with increasin reps will increase definition and strength, because as you get stronger, you get bigger, have more muscle, and in turn weigh more.

I'm talking about grabbing a 25lb dumbbell and lifting forever. It will increase defintion, not neccesssarily strength.

 

[starks]

Ben Wallace is extremely good defensive player and fits into pistons’ game but offensively, he is joke.... he is not better player than brad....and Big Z??....c’mon…slower than brad, questionable passing skills, defense below average for center and overrated over all…..Dalambert ONLY athletic and nothing else….limited talent, ,no passing, no shoot, no post game, no free throw and low bball IQ