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Chad Ford: I know the Knicks and Kings spoke Monday about a deal with Brad Miller and Malik Rose as the principals. The talk never got too detailed. I think for the Knicks to pull the trigger Jared Jeffries has to be in the deal. For the Kings to do it, they'd like Nate Robinson back. I do think there is a deal there for both teams that makes sense. Kings get cap relief now. Knicks get it in 2010. I think ultimately, both sides say yes if they can work out the details.
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On Monday, the Knicks and Kings discussed a possible trade of Malik Rose for Brad Miller, two league sources told ESPN.com. Miller was a Walsh favorite in Indiana and could help fill the hole in the middle for the Knicks. And Miller's contract is right for New York, as it comes off the books in 2010.
Both teams would have to include more players to make the numbers work.
The Kings would like Nate Robinson as part of the deal. The Knicks talked about including James as part of the deal, though they're even more interested in including Jeffries.
If the Knicks and Kings can agree to a deal that swaps Miller and Kenny Thomas -- who also has a contract that expires in 2010 -- to the Knicks for Rose, Robinson and Jeffries, the Knicks will suddenly have a legit center and enough cap space to sign David Lee this summer and a max player like LeBron James in 2010.
Would the Kings do the deal? Rose would give them some cap relief immediately. Robinson is a talented spark plug who could give them energy off the bench. But with Jeffries' contract running until 2011, it's not an easy sell.
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I decided to make a thread containing trades between us and New York .. it seems as though things are heating up.

I would never, ever, ever take Jeffries long contract unless we can somehow land David Lee. cap space next year isnt worth adding a year of salary to a player we dont want.

However, I would love to get Nate Robinson. Sure, he is a punk, but he's an exciting punk. He's quick and strong for a guard and might make the rest of the season watchable... he's a personality, something the kings could use. Would he start over Beno? I would hope ..
 
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If the Knicks and Kings can agree to a deal that swaps Miller and Kenny Thomas -- who also has a contract that expires in 2010 -- to the Knicks for Rose, Robinson and Jeffries, the Knicks will suddenly have a legit center and enough cap space to sign David Lee this summer and a max player like LeBron James in 2010.
Would the Kings do the deal? Rose would give them some cap relief immediately.
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Does Chad Ford even read what he is writing? First he claims that this deal will give BOTH teams cap relief now (ludicrous on its face), and second he claims that the Knicks need cap space to resign David Lee, without seeming to understand that Lee is an RFA and they hold his Bird Rights.

As of right now, the Knicks have less than $24M committed for the LeBron Sweepstakes, summer of 2010. PLENTY of cap room to sign him. Jeffries out would free up another $7M or so. Yay. This offseason, they're already over the cap. They can resign Nate, Lee, and get themselves an MLE at the most unless they trade for more salary. Let's give Lee $10M and an MLE $5M, and Nate $4M. That would then be $43M committed with a cap probably in the low 60s - perhaps not quite enough to snag LeBron. Fine. There's an easy solution. Don't sign anybody to the MLE. Sure, getting rid of Jeffries would help, but the Knicks don't NEED to do it. They just need to be responsible.
 
The Miller/K9 for Jeffries/Robinson/Rose does not work. The Knicks would need to include more $$ in salaries to get this "deal" to work.

Rose + Jeffries for Miller works.

Also, Rose, Jeffries, Robinson, and James works for Miller and K9... but that seems like getting a lot of garbage back... I would want a draft pick or something...
 
How about Gallinari + Robinson + Rose for Miller...

Gallinari has played a total of 18 games with NYK and has 3 years left on his deal... but he is a prospect of some sort.
 
More from Marc Stein:

he Kings, sources say, were rejected by New York when they offered Miller and Kenny Thomas to the Knicks -- two contracts that end just in time for the summer of 2010 free-agent pursuit of LeBron James -- for Stephon Marbury's $20.8 million expiring contract. All signs point to Marbury remaining on the Knicks' roster through the deadline, after which he'll have just over a week to negotiate his release if he hopes to be eligible for the playoffs with any other team.

The Kings and Knicks continue to discuss an alternative package for Miller which would feature the $7.6 million expiring contract of New York's Malik Rose. Sacramento, though, is also seeking Nate Robinson in that scenario, which isn't going to happen because the Knicks -- fond as team president Donnie Walsh is of Miller dating to their Indiana days -- are too high on Robinson.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090218
 
Jeffries is just a deal breaker. We want to move bad contracts, they want to send us a worse contract in return. I get the feeling New York is scuttling everything with everybody because they are so desperate to unload all of the Isiah era contract crap that they are chasing everybody off.

I have been an advocate for years of Nate as Bobby Jackson PG/SG sparkplug replacement, and I agree that teaming he and Cisco off the bench would give us a great energy duo with shades of the old Bench Mob. If that was his role, you could maybe check off another box in the rebuild. But on the other hand he is another shoot first guy who plays no defense, and he is going to be looking for major money here when his contract is up.
 
nbrans said:
More from Marc Stein:



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090218
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I just do not understand the Knicks approach to Stephon. I understand Stephon's approach -- he's a selfish greedy worthless piece of trash. But the Knicks can be done with him, maybe pick up serviceable players in return, and instead they would prefer to muck around trying to package up other ending contracts, picks, etc. Do they really think somebody is going to take Jeffries?
 
Forget Nate. Last thing we need to worry about is our "sparkplug off the bench" with all our gaping holes.

If Brad for expiring is not going to work, the only thing left is Brad for half-expirings

Brad/Sheldon
for
Rose/Tim Thomas

or some such trade that gives us 6M more cap space next year and not mess with 2010.

Saves the Maloofs some coin but does absolutely nothing for the team other than clearing playing time for Hawes to start.
 
Bricklayer said:
I just do not understand the Knicks approach to Stephon. I understand Stephon's approach -- he's a selfish greedy worthless piece of trash. But the Knicks can be done with him, maybe pick up serviceable players in return, and instead they would prefer to muck around trying to package up other ending contracts, picks, etc. Do they really think somebody is going to take Jeffries?
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well with Stephon expiring and Mobley likely coming off the cap for the health condition retirement, aren't they going to actually be under the tax line next year in the first time in forever? Maybe they want to keep it that way...
 
sidney said:
Forget Nate. Last thing we need to worry about is our "sparkplug off the bench" with all our gaping holes.

If Brad for expiring is not going to work, the only thing left is Brad for half-expirings

Brad/Sheldon
for
Rose/Tim Thomas

or some such trade that gives us 6M more cap space next year and not mess with 2010.

Saves the Maloofs some coin but does absolutely nothing for the team other than clearing playing time for Hawes to start.
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Forget Robinson as "the sparkplug." On this team he is EASILY the starter. I'm all for getting Robinson. He's tough, which Beno isn't, he's quick, which Beno isn't, he's an athlete, which Beno isn't.
 
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Forget Robinson as "the sparkplug." On this team he is EASILY the starter. I'm all for getting Robinson. He's tough, which Beno isn't, he's quick, which Beno isn't, he's an athlete, which Beno isn't.
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Better than Beno means nothing to me

1) He's a midget and has a low ceiling
2) He'll want a raise this summer giving us another cap clogging middling contract.

No thanks
 
sidney said:
Better than Beno means nothing to me

1) He's a midget and has a low ceiling
2) He'll want a raise this summer giving us another cap clogging middling contract.

No thanks
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I think he would make a very nice 6th man with Cisco. He brings heart, energy, hustle. He'd be a great asset off the bench. I'd be for it.
 
kingsnation said:
I think he would make a very nice 6th man with Cisco. He brings heart, energy, hustle. He'd be a great asset off the bench. I'd be for it.
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I like Nate alot, but on this team, the 6th man is the least of our concerns. No need worrying about a 6th man when the first 5 on the floor can't hold their weight. We need to focus on starters, not roleplayers...

...and get rid of these bad contracts.
 
One and Done said:
I like Nate alot, but on this team, the 6th man is the least of our concerns. No need worrying about a 6th man when the first 5 on the floor can't hold their weight. We need to focus on starters, not roleplayers...

...and get rid of these bad contracts.
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Not to mention that if you have Nate and Beno you have two guys who are decent backups and no one good enough to be a legit starter.
 
sidney said:
well with Stephon expiring and Mobley likely coming off the cap for the health condition retirement, aren't they going to actually be under the tax line next year in the first time in forever? Maybe they want to keep it that way...
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It was already determined Mobley cannot come off the cap because the heart condition existed before the trade and they waived the medical.

Also, they expect the cap to go down this year. Which hurts their cap space even more.
 
We really don't have to trade Miller and KT right now. Their value will rise next year even if they don't play another minute until then. There will be so many teams next year looking to get at least one of the FAs that will be on the market. Having expiring contracts could land us a decent player.

But if the Maloofs are looking to cut costs immediately then that deal a few posts up by Sidney is the one to do.
 
honestly, Jeffries is arguably the worst player in the league.

When new york signed him, it was supposedly due to his defense .. obviously a terrible signing. He probly wouldnt get any minutes if we acquired him.

Im so down on this deal ( and the chicago deal ) that its not even funny. We absolutely need to get picks for any of these deals to make any sense .. we are adding to many long term contracts. I like Nate, but its not worth Jeffries.
 
Well interest in Brad has been tepid for a long time. Apparently, it still is. Ugh. I'm not sure that I wouldn't rather just hang on to him and have his contract off the books for the Kings next year.
 
Maybe if Portland can't get anything big done with the LaFrentz deal, they'll want to revisit the Salmons trade. This sucks that the best we're getting is having to take back Nocioni and Jeffries. F that!
 
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