Boston perspective on Rondo trade rumors

Does the name Chris Webber ring any bells?

True, but we traded an aging Richmond at the end of his career for a young guy that still had a few years left on his current deal. This would be trading a lot of young assets for a guy that could walk in a season.

Don't disagree with the concept that a reluctant guy can grow to want to stay in Sac but rather what's the cost/risk?
 
True, but we traded an aging Richmond at the end of his career for a young guy that still had a few years left on his current deal. This would be trading a lot of young assets for a guy that could walk in a season.

Don't disagree with the concept that a reluctant guy can grow to want to stay in Sac but rather what's the cost/risk?

My point was more than you do not dismiss someone with the talents of Rajon Rondo simply because of their supposed attitude about Sacramento. I pretty much agree with the other concerns.
 
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That is kind of what I'm getting at though... Instead of the deal mentioned above where we are giving up a lot..we might see something like this.

Boston Receives
Isaiah Thomas
Jason Thompson
1st from Kings
1st from Raptors

Kings Receive
Kyle Lowery ( If he will resign)

Raptors Receive
Rajon Rondo

Theres a million other ways this trade could be configured but it seems fair at its core IMO.
Kings give up waaaay too much in that scenario.
 
I like Rondo a lot obviously, but if we tested the waters and Rondo is reluctant to commit to a long-term contract because he doesn't see a winning team yet or whatever his reasons are, you can't give up McLemore and a high lotto pick for him. You're trading away a whole lot of assets in that scenario for one season of Rondo. Perhaps you can convince him to stay, but at that point why not keep your assets, put together a winning team which is one piece away, and then convince him to sign as a free agent next year? I don't see Rondo signing an extension with anybody this summer anyway. I think he wants to give free agency a try.

The other issue here is that I don't think Rondo/Gay/Cousins is world beating. It's a playoff team but it's still a couple key pieces away from being a contender and if you give up multiple picks and McLemore to get that trio, I think you're setting yourself up for a bad situation -- a situation where you're going to need to take advantage of Rondo and Gay's prime years but lack the assets or cap room to do so. We don't have the track record or the desirable market to lure vets with minimum contracts like Miami and LA do. The reality of our situation is that we're last place in our conference. That's with Cousins dominating like an All Star and Rudy Gay scoring at an unsustainable rate. I think that means taking a step backward and admitting that we have a lot of holes to fill. If we can add Rondo in a year without giving anything up we're a lot closer to our goal than if we sell the farm now to add him to a last place team with no cap room to do anything else for a year. In the meantime we need to make sure we're maximizing our investment in Williams, McLemore, McCallum and whoever we pick up in the draft this year.

Somebody will probably give us a low pick to add Isaiah Thomas to their playoff run. That's the best long-term move we can make right now. That and trying to clear out some salary -- specifically one of either Landry or Thompson's remaining three years under contract. It's not being cheap, it's planning ahead and getting the best value for your assets.
 
Rumor we talked with Cle about JT. If that was part of a deal to bring us Varejao, that might be interesting. Still think potentially he pairs pretty well with Boogie.

That is the only way I would touch that scrub is if he came with Varejoa. Malone coached him in Cleveland in knows he is a work horse. Shows you how bad JJ is if the yes trade AV just to get rid of him
 
Where did I say that? I said no such thing. But it was hard to miss the lack of effort, the barking at teammates, etc. the last games before the break. He reacted poorly to SOMETHING. It's just speculation. At no point did I blame everything on cuz.

I'm on the record many times saying who I think the problem is.

As I write this a rumor pops up about a MT or JT for Jarrett jack swap.

Not really sure what you're objecting to.

First you surmised that there was a problem in the locker room. Then you surmised that Cousins was the reason for that, and gave three possible reasons as to why. All three were negative. While I admit that there seemed to be something bothering Cousins, and he admitted as much, when he said that he was having a problem staying focused because of something that was bothering him, I'd hardly say that adds up to a problem overall with the team. It could be something as simple as the front office telling him that their going to trade IT, and because IT is a close friend, its affecting him emotionally. I could think of a 100 different reasons, and none of them negative. Thus my response!
 
That is the only way I would touch that scrub is if he came with Varejoa. Malone coached him in Cleveland in knows he is a work horse. Shows you how bad JJ is if the yes trade AV just to get rid of him

It would probably be a three team deal with Brooklyn with JJ going to Cleveland, and AV coming here. Not sure who we give up though, or if there are any other specifics. I think we would be giving up a few of our bigs not named Cousins though if we were interested in Evans or AV.
 
First you surmised that there was a problem in the locker room. Then you surmised that Cousins was the reason for that, and gave three possible reasons as to why. All three were negative. While I admit that there seemed to be something bothering Cousins, and he admitted as much, when he said that he was having a problem staying focused because of something that was bothering him, I'd hardly say that adds up to a problem overall with the team. It could be something as simple as the front office telling him that their going to trade IT, and because IT is a close friend, its affecting him emotionally. I could think of a 100 different reasons, and none of them negative. Thus my response!
Ok, pure speculation on the locker room part, although many others on here have said the same. I was really just talking about cousins, cause he clearly was mentally not there before the break. Whether that affects anyone else but him I can't say and didn't mean to imply otherwise. We are clearly a worse team when he is not engaged. He could just still be hurt too.

I've never shown any anti-cousins bias before so I was just a little surprised you reacted like that. Wasn't my intent to blame the guy for everything although I may have worded it poorly.

I stand by that on the court as starters, our pg and cousins does not work. Especially defensively, but they don't do much for each other offensively either. More surmising on my part, but I think the current trade rumors strongly indicate the FO doesn't think it works either, or they've done what I and many others were worried about, puffed up the stats of a mediocre pg to the point they just can't sign him anymore. We did the same with MT, let him run wild and get some nice stats, and we are still paying for that mistake. You don't want another MT, Landry, JT contract hampering the team. I still see our pg as a super bench player, who now (more surmising) may be asking for that borderline starter money that we just can't afford. The problem is we are already paying for bench guys. Super or not, we can't take on another. Which is why I think it's a very bad thing if cuz/little man are good friends. Cause they're not good for each other on the court. And the reality is we desperately seem to be trying to move our pg and have let the league know.

Of course, I'd take our pg over MT and Landry in a heartbeat at the same money. It'd be closer with JT. But you can't have 4 guys at that money (5 with Williams). God damnit that Landry signing was horrible. I can understand JT and MT (although that signing put tyreke out of position) cause we wanted to retain talent. Landry we went out and got despite him filling zero needs of this franchise. Inexcusable. Doing nothing was a better move. It makes it very tough to have money to sign our pg. Our pg is clearly out producing the other members of the 5-7 million crew, but it's hard to take on yet another contract like that unless you're really sure he's the long term answer or can move out all the dead weight. The dead weight trade (for rudy) already happened. Hard to pull that off twice. Unfortunately, we decided Landry was to be our off the bench scorer already. We've got three more seasons of him. Which makes him almost impossible to move, considering he's shown next to nothing on the court for whatever reason.

Landry was redundant the day he signed. Still is. He's the scorer off the bench. So is our pg. Unfortunately, one has a long term contract, the other does not. In my view, we are now left trying to trade the better player cause we can't afford him. And that's a real shame. The FO decided Landry was their guy before they even knew what they already had, that for similar money they could have kept our pg this offseason. Now we are talking luxury tax to keep him, and I'm not sure Vivek is quite willing to really put his money where his mouth is. Not for a 5'9 pg anyway.

Ramble on...
 
I stand by that on the court as starters, our pg and cousins does not work. Especially defensively, but they don't do much for each other offensively either.

Taking that tangent and running with it.

I said this when we started talking about moving IT into the starting lineup and again when we traded Vasquez and inserted IT by default. Cousins and Thomas want the same space on the floor.

Here is Cousins' shot chart

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Here is IT's

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Both Cousins and IT want the lane to score. Both Cousins and IT want the left block. Neither one is particularly effective on the right block. I don't think it's a coincidence that the decline of the low post big man has coincided with the rise of the slashing point guard, but that problem is exacerbated when both players want to score in the same spots.

I think this also gets to the crux of the problem as to why Cousins and IT do not work as well as their stats say they should in the pick and roll. Because IT is left handed and finishes best on the left side of the rim, his most effective picks are going to be set at the top of the key or the right wing and allow him to dribble with his dominant hand on cuts to the basket, so he will be moving generally right to left. That leaves Cousins fading to the right high post on pick an pop, where he ranges from average to pretty bad.
 
I guess the question is what assets are you using to acquire another expiring contract and a mid-first rounder?

My preference is to go after Rondo with McLemore, IT, and our first rounder (if we can free it for trade). That trade would also require moving some ugly contracts to make things work. Failing that, my preference is to see if we can move IT for a reasonable return, while keeping McLemore and our pick. The only other options seem to be Teague or Lowry. It seems like Toronto wants to trade Lowry for an upgrade (i.e. Rondo), so we need a third team.

I understand that you want Rondo, and so do I. This offer is an attempt to find another move IF we cannot get Rondo or think the price is too high (i.e. don't want to trade Ben).
The only thing that's wrong with you trade is that we're giving up IT and the rights to swap pick, when we don't have to. Lowry is a UFA this season. It wouldn't make much sense to give up all that when we can just get Lowry in FA. The only way we do a trade like this is if we include a contract like Landrys, MT, or even D-Will.
 
The only thing that's wrong with you trade is that we're giving up IT and the rights to swap pick, when we don't have to. Lowry is a UFA this season. It wouldn't make much sense to give up all that when we can just get Lowry in FA. The only way we do a trade like this is if we include a contract like Landrys, MT, or even D-Will.
It takes cap space to just get a player who will get more than the mid-level exception. I don't believe the Kings will have it. I think Bajaden brought up how close the Kings will be to the luxury tax if Rudy doesn't opt out.
 
It takes cap space to just get a player who will get more than the mid-level exception. I don't believe the Kings will have it. I think Bajaden brought up how close the Kings will be to the luxury tax if Rudy doesn't opt out.

Yep. Lowry is going to be expensive in the offseason. The Kings would have to trade some combination of Thornton, Landry, and JT for enders to get under the cap, and I haven't seen anything suggesting that such a trade is in the works.
 
“So, I’m standing here today and I’m saying Ben McLemore is a guy that we have not put in deals. He’s a guy that we love here. “So, sources? I think I’m a source. We haven’t put Ben in anything,” he continued. “We look at Ben as a major part of what we’re doing long-term.”
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....-talks/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

There, straight from the horse's mouth. The Kings are not trading McLenmore. The Kings also cannot trade their pick (without apparently some complicated manuver involving Chicago, who would take Rondo for themselves if they could).

No McLenmore. No pick. This Rondo fantasy is dead. Dead. Dead.

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There, straight from the horse's mouth. The Kings are not trading McLenmore. The Kings also cannot trade their pick (without apparently some complicated manuver involving Chicago, who would take Rondo for themselves if they could).

No McLenmore. No pick. This Rondo fantasy is dead. Dead. Dead.

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Dude if rondo says he would sign here mclemore would be gone in an instant. Of course PDA is not gonna say that. And why would the bulls want rondo when they have rose.
 
Dude if rondo says he would sign here mclemore would be gone in an instant. Of course PDA is not gonna say that. And why would the bulls want rondo when they have rose.

We can all play this game -- If Lebron James said he'd sign here, BMc would be gone....... If Kevin Durrant said he'd sign here..... The reality is that Rondo will not stay here and the Bulls having been talking about moving Rose to off-guard to save him from himself.

The important thing you need to know is that Rondo is not coming. Period. End of story.

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