Boozer says he's opting out

=LarryLegend= said:
We wants to get PAID and go to a contender.......NOT HAPPENING.
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We could offer him roughly 17 million a year, that's getting paid.

He brings us a step closer to contender status. We would need an upgrade at the point. Plus he knows Sloan's offense, making him a plug and play type addition if we keep Kenny Natt as our head coach, more so than anyone on our team right now really.
 
Why would we want to touch this guy? He seems intent on screwing over every team he's ever played for.
 
As much as Boozer's offensive game is great, I'd prefer to keep Millsap if I were them--had a string of 9 consecutive double-doubles for them, and he actually plays defense well even if he's slightly undersized (but his long wingspan and reflexes more than makes up for it). He's got an underrated game around the basket, where his girth, ability to use his body, his suction cup hands and his instincts allow him to either be a foul magnet or finish anything around the basket. Boozer seemed to be losing it, particularly in last year's playoffs when he was clearly less than stellar. I know there will be arguments because Utah's lost most of its mojo--its record is less than stellar--but don't forget Deron Williams is also recovering from injury as well. It's time for Sloan to change the dynamic of that team; I really think Millsap has untapped offensive potential, and he plays much more aggressively than Booze--not to mention he's four years younger. That's the reason why there's a dilemma when there's two players playing the same position who become very good--one undoubtedly will need to be gone due to financial constraints and ego issues of playing time. It happened with TJ Ford and Calderon a year ago up in Toronto, and look for it to happen this time again with Booze and Millsap. If Utah's smart, Millsap stays.
 
Section 101 said:
No Thanks. Another undersized PF. And he's hurt all the time.
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Um the arguments against Boozer certainly can't include the undersized tag given that he is a perennial All Star and one of the five best in the game.

Why he would want to come to a terrible team so he could lead us to mediocrity is the question. We would have to offer him more money than anybody els (one gets the feeling Boozer's true loyalty is to green paper). But thing is we can't offer him more money than anybody else. Everybody offering will be offering to max him out, and Utah itself can outbid everybody anyway as his home team.
 
There would be some kind of karmic justice in Boozer opting out and then not being able to sign for above his current contract. Not that this would actually happen.
 
Arby's Roast Beef said:
As much as Boozer's offensive game is great, I'd prefer to keep Millsap if I were them
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gotta agree there, they should be able to keep millsap at a fraction of boozer's cost, while he's putting up really solid numbers. and at his current salary ($700K), it's ridiculous production.
 
Ok...just no.

I have always really liked Milsap. But that said you win this game with stars. With indomitable talents. Not with sturdy roleplayers. And money is not a factor when you get one.
 
Hmmm... let's see, if Boozer walks, his choices are:

1. Go to Miami and play with Dwayne Wade!

or

2. Go to Sacramento and battle for shots with John Salmons.

Hmm..... tough choice indeed.
 
id be down for a 3 team trade....

sac trades
miller/beno
rec marion/chalmers

utah trades
boozer
rec miller

mia trades
marion/chalmers
rec boozer/beno
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Why would we want to touch this guy? He seems intent on screwing over every team he's ever played for.
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i wouldnt say thats quite true... boozer doesnt care to screw them over, he just doesnt care. as long as he gets his, or a better offer comes along, hell do waht it takes to get his bling.

why would any kings fan want him is beyond me. i dont know who dumped on ron artest, but id much prefer artest's craziness to boozer's seemiingly calculated ways to do only what is in his own best interest.

i dont care if he is a perrenial all star. i want my star to be loyal to his team when his team is loyal to him.
 
Bricklayer said:
Ok...just no.

I have always really liked Milsap. But that said you win this game with stars. With indomitable talents. Not with sturdy roleplayers. And money is not a factor when you get one.
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sorry brick but boozer is not worth the max. I don't care how you slice and I know it takes stars to win but he really dissapointed me lastvyear against the lakers. Anytime they wentto him for a big score they came out with nothing. Absolutely nothing.
 
Not big on Boozer myself.

No D whatsoever...Hurt a lot. Will want max $$$. Possibly some stat inflation playing with an elite PG.
 
beb0p said:
Hmmm... let's see, if Boozer walks, his choices are:

1. Go to Miami and play with Dwayne Wade!

or

2. Go to Sacramento and battle for shots with John Salmons.

Hmm..... tough choice indeed.
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I don't see how he'd battle for shots with Salmons... it's no guarentee Salmons is even back next year. If anything he'd battle for shots with KMart. But Hawes plays good D and I think Hawes+Boozer is a complementary frontcourt. The only thing we'd be missing is a PG.
 
est.1999 said:
sorry brick but boozer is not worth the max. I don't care how you slice and I know it takes stars to win but he really dissapointed me lastvyear against the lakers. Anytime they wentto him for a big score they came out with nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Sorry, but this is the same sort of argument people made about Malone in his hayday (before breaking through to the Finals against the Bulls.) Never comes through in the clutch, blah blah blah. Yes, he didn't have a great playoffs last year by his high standards, but he still averaged 16pt and 12rb per game. Year before he averaged 23.5pt and 12rb per game. He's average 19 and 11 for his career. Any way you slice it...Boozer is a stud. You can say there's other PFs who do this or that better than him, but he is without question in the top tier of the league.

pdxKingsFan said:
Why would we want to touch this guy? He seems intent on screwing over every team he's ever played for.
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Yes, he was disloyal to the Cavs; however if he had decided to bolt to Sac 5 years ago we would be much happier today. Opt out clauses are written into contracts for a reason. If your employer gave you the option to cancel your current annual salary and take more money for the same job and responsibilities...you would say "no"?

Section 101 said:
No Thanks. Another undersized PF. And he's hurt all the time.
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A valid concern...
 
Are you guys so desperate for talent that you will overpay a second rate former all star? He wants a near max paycheck (over 13 mil a year), but isn't a max player. He's not a first option player. He's not a franchise guy who can carry a team to the next level. Remember the big deal they gave Miller on the downside of his career. Boozer is a good PF now, not a great one, and I don't want to see the team in another Brad Miller type situation down the road.
 
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If you don't want Boozer because you want to stay the course and see how our young bigs turn out, thats fine. But don't tell me that you wouldn't want him because he's disloyal or some sort of nonsense. To say that he plays for the money, as though thats unique. I've got a newsflash for you. They all play for the money. Especially early in their careers.

Sure, they all want to win, and play for contenders. But just try offering a contract to a good player thats below market value and see how far you get. How many times have you heard, I've got to think about my future and my family. This whole idea of a player being drafted and staying with the same team for his whole career out of loyality passed us by some time ago.
 
Overpaying a "good" (not great) PF who is wanting a franchise player's paycheck but not being a franchise player isn't going to help the situation in Sacramento. Boozer isn't worth the money, and he's not getting younger/healthier.
 
It looks like Im alone in this, but I would love boozer here.

He averages 20 and 11 and until millsap does that Im taking Booz.

If boozer isnt good enough for you guys, who do you want us to sign with the cap relief everyone wants us to get? Boozer is as good as sacramento is going to get .. hate to break it to you but dwade and lebron arent coming here.

If we get boozer and have martin we are a deron williams away from being better than the jazz are right now. I'd take that.


On a side note, he has had one helluva life .. anyone else catch his life story on espn a few years back? .. that dude has been threw alot.
 
bajaden said:
If you don't want Boozer because you want to stay the course and see how our young bigs turn out, thats fine. But don't tell me that you wouldn't want him because he's disloyal or some sort of nonsense. To say that he plays for the money, as though thats unique. I've got a newsflash for you. They all play for the money. Especially early in their careers.

Sure, they all want to win, and play for contenders. But just try offering a contract to a good player thats below market value and see how far you get. How many times have you heard, I've got to think about my future and my family. This whole idea of a player being drafted and staying with the same team for his whole career out of loyality passed us by some time ago.
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What Boozer did was different. He's slime, and if I saw him and wasn't averse to a good *** whooping I'd probably just kick him in the nads.

That said, slime or no slime you don't turn your back on young 20-10 post playing, board munching PFs who have already helped bring one team into the fringes of contention. I'd kick him in the nads in the morning, and then cheerfully tell him to get his *** out on the court at night. This is a Top 20 player in the NBA we are talking about.
 
When Boozer screwed over the Cavs he was a mere 22 years of age. When I was 21/22 I would have probably done the same ignorant thing. I would not do it now, and I'm 25. He's 27 years old and has a family. I gotta believe that he's developed a sense of obligation by now.

He's got 5 good years left in him at 20/10. I would hope the Maloofs would throw down some serious cash to have him on our team. And I would buy game tickets!

Really, what is the likelihood of landing Bosh, Amare, or D-Wade with our mound of cash in 2010? Probably .05 percent. We can dump roughly 15 million a year on Boozer and get another solid contributor for about 6-7 million a year in 2010.

I prefer this more conservative approach.
 
ryanandty said:
When Boozer screwed over the Cavs he was a mere 22 years of age. When I was 21/22 I would have probably done the same ignorant thing. I would not do it now, and I'm 25. He's 27 years old and has a family. I gotta believe that he's developed a sense of obligation by now.
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and he has...to himself and his family more than his club. i don't disagree with his thinking, just his decision to vocalize it.

and if i were in his shoes at 21/22, i would not have made the same choice. as a regular joe, his $750K contract at the time would have been a huge sum of money, enough for me to show up at practice everyday with a giant clown grin on my face.
 
Bricklayer said:
What Boozer did was different. He's slime, and if I saw him and wasn't averse to a good *** whooping I'd probably just kick him in the nads.

That said, slime or no slime you don't turn your back on young 20-10 post playing, board munching PFs who have already helped bring one team into the fringes of contention. I'd kick him in the nads in the morning, and then cheerfully tell him to get his *** out on the court at night. This is a Top 20 player in the NBA we are talking about.
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Then we are in agreement. I'll do a post on slime later.:rolleyes:
 
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