Hey, its all fantasy anyway.
So are most of the comments coming out of William Phillips' mouth.
Bonzi's Agent Say Sign-And-Trade Options Will Be Discussed
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So are most of the comments coming out of William Phillips' mouth.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Deal the cards
Remember that Petrie is pretty good poker player. He has Phillips backed into a corner. All he has to do is sit back and listen. If nothing tickles his fancy then nothing happens. Basicly Phillips has to do all the work.
Remember that Petrie is pretty good poker player. He has Phillips backed into a corner. All he has to do is sit back and listen. If nothing tickles his fancy then nothing happens. Basicly Phillips has to do all the work.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ditto
I couldn't have said any better myself. Damm thats hard for me to admit. Seriously, you give me Ron and KG, I don't give a damm if we still have KT.
I couldn't have said any better myself. Damm thats hard for me to admit. Seriously, you give me Ron and KG, I don't give a damm if we still have KT.
Alacron
Bench
I couldn't have said any better myself. Damm thats hard for me to admit. Seriously, you give me Ron and KG, I don't give a damm if we still have KT.
Of course, KT still has to start. KG's a pro, he'll accept a bench role.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Just for the hell of it I went to espn trade machine and tried a couple of trades. KG for Bibby and KT works. I don't think they would do it though. KG for Bibby and Miller also works. Thats a maybe on their part. The last one was KG and Hudson for Bibby, Miller and Potapenko. It also works. We take on 4 years of Hudson's salary who I beleive they wanted to unload and they get Potapenko's expiring salary. Hey, I can dream can't I?
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Not sure that Minny would want Bibby seeing that they landed James and James is not going to be content if he was relegated to the bench. With that said, Brad, Bonzi, KT or Reef would be fine.
ABDENOUR POWER
Prospect
S & T Bonzi to Detroit for:
Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroit's #1 since they also have a #1 from Orlando
What do you think?
Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroit's #1 since they also have a #1 from Orlando
What do you think?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think you should take a look at this thread: http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14411
ABDENOUR POWER
Prospect
I know, I read that right after my post.
Remember that Petrie is pretty good poker player. He has Phillips backed into a corner. All he has to do is sit back and listen. If nothing tickles his fancy then nothing happens. Basicly Phillips has to do all the work.
I think if Petrie believes there is ANY chance of a Bonzi S&T deal coming along that would make his team better and one that he could convince the Maloofs to bite on and enter lux tax land, Petrie would be on the horn trying to pull off that deal, not relying on some lame agent to orchestrate something.
I think Petrie made it pretty clear that he's done trying to shop Bonzi. He's got other irons in the fire, I'm hoping, and he's not going to waste any more time trying to find someone to make Phillips and Bonzi come out smelling like a rose.
It only seems logical that they pretty much explored all possible avenues. Once Petrie pulled the trigger on bringing Salmons, the message to Bonzi was loud and clear.
If someone out there wanted Bonzi badly enough to offer us something good in return, the deal would have already been done.
At some point you have to admit you can't get any more lemonade out of the lemons.
It only seems logical that they pretty much explored all possible avenues. Once Petrie pulled the trigger on bringing Salmons, the message to Bonzi was loud and clear.
If someone out there wanted Bonzi badly enough to offer us something good in return, the deal would have already been done.
At some point you have to admit you can't get any more lemonade out of the lemons.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Besides it's out of Petrie's hands now. Whatever happens to Bonzi is up to Phillips and we all know if it's up to Phillips the Kings will get the best sign and trade option he can fetch. Petrie doesn't have to lift a finger.
And by being so steadfast in saying they are not interested in a sign and trade at this point really puts the pressure on Phillips and any teams fighting over Bonzi's services.to come up with the best they can.
And by being so steadfast in saying they are not interested in a sign and trade at this point really puts the pressure on Phillips and any teams fighting over Bonzi's services.to come up with the best they can.
Or it could REALLY mean Petrie is no longer interested, which is I think the most logical conclusion to reach.
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As an aside, I would sure like to see leaks from ANY of the usual sources saying that even one team is interested in Bonzi at this point. The silence is deafening.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Indicater
Which finger?
I don't know but I immediately thought of when Petrie quoted Confucius:
Which finger?
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AriesMar27
Guest
okay... i have a probably unpopular bonzi s&t idea that could land us kg at the trade deadline....
kings trade
bonzi
thomas
vitaly
hart
to knicks for...
mo taylor (bonzi)
qrich (thomas)
jerome "garbage bag man" james(vitaly, hart)
then at the deadline trade...
taylor
corliss
james
or
taylor
qrich
filler
for kg....
either way the wolves get a huge expiring contract(taylor) or 2 depending on the trade(corliss) and can rebuild their team through the draft.... because it doesnt look like they will be going anywhere anytime soon....
qrich would spread the defense and if it doesnt work we could just trade him....
kings trade
bonzi
thomas
vitaly
hart
to knicks for...
mo taylor (bonzi)
qrich (thomas)
jerome "garbage bag man" james(vitaly, hart)
then at the deadline trade...
taylor
corliss
james
or
taylor
qrich
filler
for kg....
either way the wolves get a huge expiring contract(taylor) or 2 depending on the trade(corliss) and can rebuild their team through the draft.... because it doesnt look like they will be going anywhere anytime soon....
qrich would spread the defense and if it doesnt work we could just trade him....
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I cannot even remotely imagine why you think proposing a trade for almost all of the Knicks mega-contracted garbage would be unpopular.
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AriesMar27
Guest
true but we would only have them for half the season and kg the rest... the knicks want to trade qrich, james and taylor(no idea why)...
the wolves are going nowhere fast... and they would get rid of kg's ginormous contract and still have the pieces to build around their next high draft pick... without kg they win 10 games max... that should be good enough for a top 3 pick....
and we get kg....
bibby
qrich/martin(whichever)
artest
kg
miller
that lineup could beat the spurs, heat, pistons and mavs...
JJ22L
Starter
true but we would only have them for half the season and kg the rest... the knicks want to trade qrich, james and taylor(no idea why)...
the wolves are going nowhere fast... and they would get rid of kg's ginormous contract and still have the pieces to build around their next high draft pick... without kg they win 10 games max... that should be good enough for a top 3 pick....
and we get kg....
bibby
qrich/martin(whichever)
artest
kg
miller
that lineup could beat the spurs, heat, pistons and mavs...
...if you can get that done...and the wolves are dumb enough to lose possible the best player in the league at his position, if not one of the best overall...bring it..
ockingsfan
Starter
Al Harrington to fire agent
Atlanta Hawks forward Al Harrington, rumored for weeks to be headed back to Indiana as a part of a sign-and-trade deal with the Pacers, plans to fire his agent, according to a newspaper report.
Harrington took steps Tuesday to sever ties with agent Andy Miller, a move that could have serious ramifications for his move out of Atlanta, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on its Web site.
according to ESPN, Al Harrington is going to fire his agent... this opens some new doors for the Kings... first it opens up trade possiblities with Indiana and their trade exception and opens possbilities with Atlanta.....
if the kings can get Indiana's trade exception, they could S&T Bonzi for a big like David Harrisson and Josh Powell, without taking back equal salaries... indiana are over stocked with players and O'neal wants to play with bonzi.... indiana and sacto would both still be under the luxury cap.... the kings would get a young, athletic big with potential.... indiana would get a coveted shooting guard that their star player wants...
PF SAR / KT / Amundson
SF Artest / Garcia / Williamson
C Miller / Harrison / Powell
SG Martin / Douby / Price
PG Bibby / Solomons / Hart
Atlanta Hawks forward Al Harrington, rumored for weeks to be headed back to Indiana as a part of a sign-and-trade deal with the Pacers, plans to fire his agent, according to a newspaper report.
Harrington took steps Tuesday to sever ties with agent Andy Miller, a move that could have serious ramifications for his move out of Atlanta, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on its Web site.
according to ESPN, Al Harrington is going to fire his agent... this opens some new doors for the Kings... first it opens up trade possiblities with Indiana and their trade exception and opens possbilities with Atlanta.....
if the kings can get Indiana's trade exception, they could S&T Bonzi for a big like David Harrisson and Josh Powell, without taking back equal salaries... indiana are over stocked with players and O'neal wants to play with bonzi.... indiana and sacto would both still be under the luxury cap.... the kings would get a young, athletic big with potential.... indiana would get a coveted shooting guard that their star player wants...
PF SAR / KT / Amundson
SF Artest / Garcia / Williamson
C Miller / Harrison / Powell
SG Martin / Douby / Price
PG Bibby / Solomons / Hart
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walker60
Bench
That's probably the only way we do a S&T with Bonzi at this point is to trade him to Indiana and use their trade exception.
hammystyle
Starter
true but we would only have them for half the season and kg the rest... the knicks want to trade qrich, james and taylor(no idea why)...
the wolves are going nowhere fast... and they would get rid of kg's ginormous contract and still have the pieces to build around their next high draft pick... without kg they win 10 games max... that should be good enough for a top 3 pick....
and we get kg....
bibby
qrich/martin(whichever)
artest
kg
miller
that lineup could beat the spurs, heat, pistons and mavs...
The Wolves just turned down a trade for some combo of Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler, Ben Gordon, and Andres Nocioni.
They're not trading KG for expiring contracts.
ockingsfan
Starter
the point of the trade is to get something for bonzi AND keep the kings under the luxury tax... the kings would only do a sign and trade, if they get something in return AND stay under the luxury tax...
a trade for jeff foster and saurunas would put them over the luxury tax.... a S&T for jeff foster only may keep them under the luxury tax...
otherwise, the kings will let Bonzi walk for nothing....
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Well, there were also rumors that Saurunas would take off for Europe, so if we did the deal and got out of his contract, I don't think we'd still be over the tax. The question is: would you rather have Foster or Harrison?
Starting Five
Bench
I would rather have Foster..
Just out of curiosity how long do Bird rights last? If he sat half the season (or longer?) could we sign and trade him at the trade deadline?
I know such a scenario would never play out but humor me.
I know such a scenario would never play out but humor me.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's actually a good question to which I do not know the answer.
Just academic though -- Bonzi still has a career, he's not going to pull the Jim Jackson. Just a question of how he plays it now that the big money is off the table. 1 yr qualifying? Do the sign with a contender thing to save face? But hold out into next season would be a very bizarre move.
