Bonzi's Agent Say Sign-And-Trade Options Will Be Discussed

[Sptsjunkie]

That's actually a good question to which I do not know the answer.

Just academic though -- Bonzi still has a career, he's not going to pull the Jim Jackson. Just a question of how he plays it now that the big money is off the table. 1 yr qualifying? Do the sign with a contender thing to save face? But hold out into next season would be a very bizarre move.

An interesting possibility would be if Bonzi signed a one year deal to play with us next year. Obviously this would be contingent on no other team offering a great S&T or freeing up cap space to give Bonzi the money he wants. However, it could be the best option for both sides because:

1 - Bonzi would have another season to prove last year wasn't a fluke. If he plays well and behaves, someone will most likely give him a bigger contract next season for 4-5 years.

2 - While Brick makes a great point about Bonzi being "poison" if he signed a cheaper long-term deal with us, he would absolutley play hard and be well behaved if he was trying to earn a big payday.

3 - The deal would be cheaper, probably about 5 million, so the Kings could simply trade Corliss and a 2nd round pick to another team under the cap (free 2nd round pick for them) and avoid the LT still.

4 - There's a good possibility for a trade before the deadline. If Bonzi is playing wall, another team would certainly want him and his Bird rights. However, trading him midseason would allow us to trade him for $5 million back in salary instead of 8-10 million. We could pick up a "midlevel" big for Bonzi. This would be even more likely as player's got injured during the season. Say Caron Butler goes down for the season.....

5 - This would allow Martin to ease into the role as the primary SG, originally off the bench and then in the lineup after Bonzi gets traded. Worst case, he gets increased minutes this year and starts next year.

Essentially, Bonzi increases his value instead of accepting a subpar deal from a team he doesn't want to play for and does not lose his Bird rights by signing a cheap one year deal with a contender. The Kings stay under the LT and still have the opportunity to leverage Bonzi into another piece.

It this the most likely scenario? No. However, I do not believe it is a fan's pipedream either. Unless another team steps up and makes a major play for Bonzi, he will have some pretty poor options. If we reached that point, this would make sense for both sides.

 

[Sac.Kings]

^ Fine, but the chances of Bonzi deciding to come back for a cheaper contract is minimal. It is harder to admit that you were wrong and made a mistake than it is to blame someone else (Geoff and the Kings). He should have signed for what we offered--he wouldn't be in this situation now.

 

[HndsmCelt]

^ Fine, but the chances of Bonzi deciding to come back for a cheaper contract is minimal. It is harder to admit that you were wrong and made a mistake than it is to blame someone else (Geoff and the Kings). He should have signed for what we offered--he wouldn't be in this situation now.

I tend to agree that when it coes time to suck it up and take a contract for LESS than the Kings offered Bonzi and Phillips will have to go elsewhere. I just makes them look soo bad. So you find a team in a better position and you spin the story to the press aobut Bonzi really wnating a ring, the Kings offers being insulting due to clasues or wanting a better enviorment... blah, blah, blah.

 

[chelle]

I tend to agree that when it coes time to suck it up and take a contract for LESS than the Kings offered Bonzi and Phillips will have to go elsewhere. I just makes them look soo bad. So you find a team in a better position and you spin the story to the press aobut Bonzi really wnating a ring, the Kings offers being insulting due to clasues or wanting a better enviorment... blah, blah, blah.

I'm amazed that Bonzi has not fired him yet.

 

[VF21]

Just out of curiosity how long do Bird rights last? If he sat half the season (or longer?) could we sign and trade him at the trade deadline?

I know such a scenario would never play out but humor me.

I think we retain his Bird rights until he signs another contract.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I tend to agree that when it coes time to suck it up and take a contract for LESS than the Kings offered Bonzi and Phillips will have to go elsewhere. I just makes them look soo bad. So you find a team in a better position and you spin the story to the press aobut Bonzi really wnating a ring, the Kings offers being insulting due to clasues or wanting a better enviorment... blah, blah, blah.

The only question is with who? The Spurs, Pistons, Suns, and Mavs have already used significant portions of their MLE. The Heat have plenty of SG/SF and he'd be useless on the Cavs. So the "contender" line would be a hard one. At most Bonzi will get MLE offers and if he wants to take one, my proposition will not happen. However, if Bonzi thinks he would be able to secure a deal for more than the MLE, than a one year deal with us for what is essentialy the MLE (roughly 5 millon) might be the best option for him, since he would keep his Brid rights. A three year deal to restablish Bird rights would be out of the questions, since even if he behaved/played well, he weoul be 33 and too old for a big, long-ter deal.

You three are absolutley right that pride may stand in the way, but if he is really looking for one last big contract, we might be his best option.

 

[wow22]

I want to see how many of these phantom "Bigs" are around for the MLE... you can get tons of guards and swingmen for the MLE. quality bigs begin at higher prices..

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I want to see how many of these phantom "Bigs" are around for the MLE... you can get tons of guards and swingmen for the MLE. quality bigs begin at higher prices..

I don't know (or want to look up) all the salaries, but players like Haywood, Etan Thomas, Dan Gadzuric, etc. might fit.

The point isn't trading for a top big man, they would be far more expensive and are not as available. However, a solid role player might be acquired.

 

[Gilles]

I think we retain his Bird rights until he signs another contract.

Yes, but currently Bonzi is a part of Kings payroll though of course formally. He counts as 150% of his previous salary or $12 mln.. If he refuses to sign any contracts this season Petrie will have a choice: renounce his rights or be over LT threshold(and it would be like 10 mln.). I guess Jeff's choice in this situation is pretty clear.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Bonzi is counted against our salary cap for the purposes of signing new players but I'm not sure that this applies to the luxury tax as well (I checked various FAQs and could not verify). It wouldn't make any sense at all to do this.

In any event if we could trade Skinner at the deadline to avoid the luxury tax we certainly could wait until at least the trade deadline to renounce Bonzi if this is indeed the case.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Bonzi is really not the Kings problem anymore and quite frankly it's up to Phillips to do any work on a S&T that the Kings just can't say no to... good luck... and I mean it!

 

[Jkbiker]

there is a couple of ways that a sign and trade could happen...

1) if the kings can find a trade partner with a trade exception (i.e. indiana)... for example, if the harrington trade falls through, indiana will still have a large trade exception from the peja deal.... meaning they could take back more salary than they give up... if the kings could get someone like David Harrison and the Peja trade exception, the kings could get a young big and not have to take back as much salary...

2) if they could package KT's contract with a bonzi S&T for a quality young big man (i.e. boozer, dalembert, wilcox)... GP may be willing to go over the luxury tax if they can get rid of KT's contract and land a quality bigman

Now that Harrington deal is done without trade exception, maybe a deal for David Harrison could be done. His salary is only in 700k range this year so salary would not break the bank. Maybe a better option than Justin Williams?

 

[Kings113]

Now that Harrington deal is done without trade exception, maybe a deal for David Harrison could be done. His salary is only in 700k range this year so salary would not break the bank. Maybe a better option than Justin Williams?

Justin Williams isn't on a guaranteed deal, his deal depends on what happens after pre-season/training camp. Justin Williams also isn't an NBA-sized center yet like David Harrison is. Williams is much more of a PF right now than a PF/C or a center at all. Williams is 6'9" 215-225 lbs, so would be undersized in height for center, but his length, tenacity and athleticism would make up for that. Also has to add some mass to his upper body (which suggests he can).

At this point, Williams would be a third PF on the team, and not a regular option at third C. So, the two players aren't relevant to each-other.

Harrison over Woods for back-up C? Yeah. While it'd take away the chance for Woods, Harrison is more proven than Woods already.

 

[Jkbiker]

I agree Kings113 , but if Woods is not a real guarenteed contract, maybe could be an upgrade for a big with more potential. His fg% is .531, avg pts per game 5.9, 3.5 rebounds, only stat that is not better than woods is 1.2 TO per game. He does have a 3 yr contract that goes up, so could be more of a risk than 1 yr contract, but could have more potential to be a good backup at C for years.

 

[VF21]

Bonzi is really not the Kings problem anymore and quite frankly it's up to Phillips to do any work on a S&T that the Kings just can't say no to... good luck... and I mean it!

This bears repeating.

Bonzi Wells is not the Kings' problem/concern/asset any longer. It's almost the end of August. It's becoming more and more obvious - even to Phillips and Bonzi themselves - that they made a BIG mistake.

Bonzi is going to have to face some cold, hard realities. He was not the hot commodity on the FA market he thought he would be. For all his talk about wanting to remain here in Sacramento, it came down to being all about the money. He received a fair offer from the Kings, from all reports. His choice not to accept it means he's now on the outside hoping he'll have a better seat for games than in front of his TV.

 

[DavisAggie]

This bears repeating.

Bonzi Wells is not the Kings' problem/concern/asset any longer. It's almost the end of August. It's becoming more and more obvious - even to Phillips and Bonzi themselves - that they made a BIG mistake.

Bonzi is going to have to face some cold, hard realities. He was not the hot commodity on the FA market he thought he would be. For all his talk about wanting to remain here in Sacramento, it came down to being all about the money. He received a fair offer from the Kings, from all reports. His choice not to accept it means he's now on the outside hoping he'll have a better seat for games than in front of his TV.

Thanks VF, you could not have said it better.

 

[Gary]

This bears repeating.

Bonzi Wells is not the Kings' problem/concern/asset any longer. It's almost the end of August. It's becoming more and more obvious - even to Phillips and Bonzi themselves - that they made a BIG mistake.

Bonzi is going to have to face some cold, hard realities. He was not the hot commodity on the FA market he thought he would be. For all his talk about wanting to remain here in Sacramento, it came down to being all about the money. He received a fair offer from the Kings, from all reports. His choice not to accept it means he's now on the outside hoping he'll have a better seat for games than in front of his TV.

Totally agree. While I am mad at Bonzi, and his agent for snubbing us I am also a bit dissapointed that he wont get what he is worth.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Bonzi won't get what he is worth because of HIS decisions. The offer we made was not anywhere near insulting. But he didn't like it so he left and now he is stuck like Spree once was (and still is).

 

[CruzDude]

I really don't think there will be a S&T involving Bonzi. Too many agree that he has burned his bridges and now his decisions are coming back to haunt him a bit.

 

[Bricklayer]

I really don't think there will be a S&T involving Bonzi. Too many agree that he has burned his bridges and now his decisions are coming back to haunt him a bit.

That's like cutting off your ring finger to spite your ex-wife.

A S&T isn't a bleeping favor to Bonzi, its an attempt to salvage something for US out of a 4th consecutive year of bleeding talent in the summer. Whether Bonzi benefits or not is irrelevant. Whether WE benefit is the only question that should matter. If we do, then setting Bonzi up as the next King of England is completely irrelevant (with the possible exception of giving him a way to the Lakers or Spurs).

 

[SacKings384]

Two Things

1.I don't feel sorry Bonzi in the least, he chose to not take a GREAT contract. The fans here treated him great, gave him a second chance, and his decision was not the greatest to say the least. As they say "He made his bed, now he has to lie in it"

2.Not doing a sign and trade because he has "burned a bridge" is ridiculous. Two things you MUST realize. 1. If we don't do a sign and trade (although it's unlikely that we get one done) we lose talent for nothing. 2.Now Bonzi isn't going to take a year off, there's no way. That means somebody is going to be able to pick up Bonzi for CHEAP. We get no decision in where he gets to go, and a team with little cap room will be able to pick up a player with talent they wouldn't be able to pick up otherwise.

Bottom line: If a sign and trade is an option, the Kings need to take it. Luxury tax or not...

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The problem is that nobody appears to want Bonzi or if they do they are unwilling to give up a quality player to get him. No quality player, no S&T. Save that money for next season when all those contracts begin expiring and the new coach has a year under his belt to correctly address the needs of the team.

 

[Entity]

That's like cutting off your ring finger to spite your ex-wife.

A S&T isn't a bleeping favor to Bonzi, its an attempt to salvage something for US out of a 4th consecutive year of bleeding talent in the summer. Whether Bonzi benefits or not is irrelevant. Whether WE benefit is the only question that should matter. If we do, then setting Bonzi up as the next King of England is completely irrelevant (with the possible exception of giving him a way to the Lakers or Spurs).

Do you envision a scenerio of a S&T in which we don't go over the luxury tax threshold. Because They will not go over it. We have made to many strides to stay under it that i don't see them going over UNLESS its a big enough signing that we are the most powerful team in the NBA.

 

[NugzFan]

hoopsworld is saying he might sign a one year deal in denver, which doesnt excite me all that much since hes not a good fit. if its true at least he will play hard all year (going for a big pay day next summer).

but its hoopsworld. they are NEVER right so you guys are still ok.

 

[TheJoker]

Okay with what? Bonzi is not coming back and we're not looking to do a S&T.

 

[NugzFan]

not going to do a s&t? i didnt know that.

still dont want to sign him. we need a shooter damnit.

 

[TheJoker]

Yes, we have no intentions to do a S&T that gets Bonzi what he wants.

he will have to sign a 1 year deal with a team to get his bigger dough next summer which looks like its gonna be you guys.

 

[Kings113]

No doubt Bonzi's a good wing-player, and talent-wise upgrades their SG spot, but isn't really a good fit at all for their team.

 

[TheJoker]

Agreed, 113 plus there dealing with Martin, Bonzi is another guy who has Locker-room problems.

 

[NugzFan]

not worried about the attitude since he will have to behave if he wants to get paid. i just wish he could hit the 3.

again assuming its true which i highly doubt.