Bonzi onboard, who do we go after for PF?
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--Tyson Chandler would be a dream come true for me. I've liked him for awhile, and was a great rebounder last year. Still only 22/23, he could, and most likley will, get better....However, I don't see the Bulls letting him go.
--Eddie Griffin would be interesting. He has the ability to shoot, and blocks shots, and rebounds. Would be a nice fit. Also would provide even more attitude to go along with Bonzi...Nice!
--Curry...If no one has any faith at all of his heart holding out, and we can steal him for the MLE, do it in a second. A quality big man doesn't come along often. Horrible rebounder for his size, but his potential is to good to pass up. Unfortunatly, I think someone would open their pocketbooks for him.
--Danny Fortson...If we want to go with attitude, here's the guy we want. It would actually be quite refeshing seeing him nearly decapitate a PG driving right by Miller, and attempting what he thinks is a wide-open lay in.
--Reggie Evans...I'd do it. Rebounding skills = Me likey. The guy can't do anything else, but it would be another refreshing sight to soo someone actually activly going for boards.
--Eddie Griffin would be interesting. He has the ability to shoot, and blocks shots, and rebounds. Would be a nice fit. Also would provide even more attitude to go along with Bonzi...Nice!
--Curry...If no one has any faith at all of his heart holding out, and we can steal him for the MLE, do it in a second. A quality big man doesn't come along often. Horrible rebounder for his size, but his potential is to good to pass up. Unfortunatly, I think someone would open their pocketbooks for him.
--Danny Fortson...If we want to go with attitude, here's the guy we want. It would actually be quite refeshing seeing him nearly decapitate a PG driving right by Miller, and attempting what he thinks is a wide-open lay in.
--Reggie Evans...I'd do it. Rebounding skills = Me likey. The guy can't do anything else, but it would be another refreshing sight to soo someone actually activly going for boards.
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As i were writing many times we need replacements for vlade and doug, or webber and doug....i think this trade bobby for bonzi is clear replecement for doug, and that guy can maybe bring even more than doug at that position...
So one more position left...PF.....Again i would say passing is the most important thing here together with strength and rebounding...we dont need a guy here that makes many points as we already have that in bibby peja miller and now wells...garcia and martin off the bench too....
Rebounding , here seems Evans to win....but there are no great passers on this list thats for sure.......I would say reggie evans or darko milicic.....darko would not be hard to get for a man that was second in the draft, as he hasnt played alot in nba, but one thing is sure , and its that he can do alot of things with the ball , and same time he is huge , young, and has potential...but this would be a big risk , as he has no experience at all ....and his confidence after being in detroit is probably very low...but for a guy of his age, he could do things with the ball none off the pf`s listed here can.....so with passing ( and rebounding ) i would stay with him but his confidence and experience are very questionable........i would say evans or darko ......Miller , Darko (Evans ) , Peja , Wells , Bibby......not bad......
So one more position left...PF.....Again i would say passing is the most important thing here together with strength and rebounding...we dont need a guy here that makes many points as we already have that in bibby peja miller and now wells...garcia and martin off the bench too....Rebounding , here seems Evans to win....but there are no great passers on this list thats for sure.......I would say reggie evans or darko milicic.....darko would not be hard to get for a man that was second in the draft, as he hasnt played alot in nba, but one thing is sure , and its that he can do alot of things with the ball , and same time he is huge , young, and has potential...but this would be a big risk , as he has no experience at all ....and his confidence after being in detroit is probably very low...but for a guy of his age, he could do things with the ball none off the pf`s listed here can.....so with passing ( and rebounding ) i would stay with him but his confidence and experience are very questionable........i would say evans or darko ......Miller , Darko (Evans ) , Peja , Wells , Bibby......not bad......
I seriously think we should be trying to do BOTH a trade and the MLE in order to bring in TWO guys and change the whole frontcourt flavor. I like the Griffin idea if he is out there, Evans would give us a boost where we need it, Chandler would be great but would take the trade of a core member. And then the whole league is out there as far as trades for non-FAs. But we aren't ONE big man away from fixing our issues. We are two or more. I consider Skinner a decent reliable backup 4, even if it puts Geoff/Rick's teeth on edge to have somebody on the team without a jumper. Assuming we keep Brad, and keep him at center, that leaves a backup center and a starting PF. Both should play defense.
I know I've suggested this before, but if we were somehow able to do something like Peja/Corliss for Chandler and Nocioni, signed Griffin, and slid Thomas down to SF, all of a sudden we could have a frontcourt that looked like:
C - Brad
PF - Chandler
SF - Thomas
SF/PF/C - Griffin
PF/C - Skinner
SF - Nocioni
And I'm doing back flips.
That said I continue to have real doubts Geoff would trade Peja for God himself, so I'm not holding my breath. But that frontcourt is nasty.
I know I've suggested this before, but if we were somehow able to do something like Peja/Corliss for Chandler and Nocioni, signed Griffin, and slid Thomas down to SF, all of a sudden we could have a frontcourt that looked like:
C - Brad
PF - Chandler
SF - Thomas
SF/PF/C - Griffin
PF/C - Skinner
SF - Nocioni
And I'm doing back flips.
That said I continue to have real doubts Geoff would trade Peja for God himself, so I'm not holding my breath. But that frontcourt is nasty.
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No love for Kenny, eh? I also realize Chandler is out of our price range, but at this point he is the big name on the top of the FA list. Personally, I would like to see the Kings spend the entire MLE and get the best quality they can with it. We can then trade to put together backup pieces and add some depth with what we have remaining for free agency, but I'd rather not trade the talent that we would need to give up to get a better PF. Of course, if Petrie could swing a trade to give up Kenny Thomas and maybe Corliss or some other bench players for a starting caliber PF, I would be content with that.
Yeah SLAB, Reggies a top 5 rebounder, as far as skills go. Not the only thing he brings, a big body, hustle, and he plays dirty.
We have plenty of passing and offense in the starting five anyways.
I'd be really happy with Evans or Griffin for starting PF.
Since I doubt we are getting Brand/KG/Boozer/Nene.
We have plenty of passing and offense in the starting five anyways.
I'd be really happy with Evans or Griffin for starting PF.
Since I doubt we are getting Brand/KG/Boozer/Nene.
Bricklayer, your obsession with playing power forwards at the 3 is mindboggling to me. It turns my mind into pretzels. It supposedly makes a team tougher and improves rebounding and such, but then you're giving up all that defense by having someone too slow/non-versatile at the 3.
I'm trying to think of situations where this worked, and I'm coming up empty.
I'm trying to think of situations where this worked, and I'm coming up empty.
Its only playing PFs at the three if somebody mislabels them as PFs in the first place.
Thomas however would be an experiment -- at heart he really is a PF. But he has a jumper, and at the VERY least we get much much better on the boards, which is part of defense. We could always send Thomas and keep Corliss if it makes you happier, but I like Thomas's jumper better for that lineup than Corliss' post game, which is getting duplicative.
As for defense itself -- the OVERALL gain in defense there is so spectacular that its not even an argument. Even if Thomas struggles there defensively (a reasonable concern), Nocioni is a tough SOB at SF. And the Chandler/Griffin/Skinner trio up front makes everybody dramatically better by greatly discouraging penetration by anybody's man.
Thomas however would be an experiment -- at heart he really is a PF. But he has a jumper, and at the VERY least we get much much better on the boards, which is part of defense. We could always send Thomas and keep Corliss if it makes you happier, but I like Thomas's jumper better for that lineup than Corliss' post game, which is getting duplicative.
As for defense itself -- the OVERALL gain in defense there is so spectacular that its not even an argument. Even if Thomas struggles there defensively (a reasonable concern), Nocioni is a tough SOB at SF. And the Chandler/Griffin/Skinner trio up front makes everybody dramatically better by greatly discouraging penetration by anybody's man.
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No, you do not get rebounding, or even much strength. He possesses a strong body, but does not use it. I've said before, and will state again, that if the Kings get Darko they should move him to the 3. The guy is a bigger, more intense version of Peja. Absolutely beautiful shot. While he is a poor rebounder for a 4/5, he would easily outrebound Peja from the 3 spot. His post moves are rudimentary, and easily defended by other men at his current position. However, he would destroy most SFs in the post, and he definitely cannot be guarded by the Brevin Knights and Trenton Hassels of the world. Not for long, at least. Darko has been packaged as something he is not, but a coach/GM team with vision could turn the kid into a borderline All-Star. Which still makes him a bad pick, by the way, considering who else was available.
That could work too. There would be a lot of versatility.
Like I said, maybe you even add KT to the deal and keep Corliss if its a real concern. I opf course would like to add Deng to the Ddeal, but consider being able to trade Peja for Chandler such a longshot in itself that getting Deng as well just seems out of control in its homerness.
Like I said, maybe you even add KT to the deal and keep Corliss if its a real concern. I opf course would like to add Deng to the Ddeal, but consider being able to trade Peja for Chandler such a longshot in itself that getting Deng as well just seems out of control in its homerness.