Bonzi: let him walk, or S&T. A poll
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S&T only if we get something valuable in return. No junk contracts.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This should be a no brianer --w e are Kings fans, and the best case scenario for the Kings, not for Bonzi, his agent, vengeance or any of that bull****, is the Maloofs give the go ahead for an S&T. Losing Bonzi for nothing would be yet another blow to our already dwindled talent base.
But of course it has to be the right S&T. At this point we have no reason to accept anything but. As far as "1 for 1" or "1 for 2 or 3" and stuff, who knows? It all depends on the offer. 1 for 1 likely yields the best player, but you rarely get that out of an S&T. S&Ts are pretty much the loser's bracket -- you've lost the game and are just trying to salvage something. The other team isn't going to give you an All-Star.
But of course it has to be the right S&T. At this point we have no reason to accept anything but. As far as "1 for 1" or "1 for 2 or 3" and stuff, who knows? It all depends on the offer. 1 for 1 likely yields the best player, but you rarely get that out of an S&T. S&Ts are pretty much the loser's bracket -- you've lost the game and are just trying to salvage something. The other team isn't going to give you an All-Star.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If its a good one, definately a sign and trade. As few players added in as possible if you ask me, but it rarely works out that way.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
I posted this in another thread but I'll say it again: I think we should revisit the Foster/Jasikevicus deal. Let Jasikevicus walk to Europe, but keep Foster as a solid backup center to bring in some much-needed rebounding.
John Galt
Starter
I agree. I think Foster is maybe the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs. Brad is not good for huge minutes and we have nothing behind him.
You bring in Foster for Wells in a S&T:
Miller, Foster
Thomas, SAR
Artest, Garcia
Martin, Douby
Bibby, Salmons
I don't mind our second unit much at all .... IF.... we can get a credible big league center.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Miller/Foster is a solid, if unspectacular, center rotation. It's the SAR/Thomas platoon that's the most glaring to me.
LA King Fan II
Bench
I honestly don't fully understand how it works, but if we're willing to sign Bonzi and trade him for the kind of dough he wants (9-10 mil multi-year and trade for something of that value and commitment), it seems the team involved would have to take Thomas off our hands to make up for the new $$$ we've spent on John Stamos - I mean Salmons.
Make any sense?
Make any sense?
ezekielbear
Bench
That's not really the situation LA, if, that's what you're asking.
If we were to S&T Bonzi, lets say for 10 million a year, we must take back within 125% of what we are trading.
Teams can acquire up to 125% plus $100,000 of the salaries they are trading in a simultaneous trade. For example, a team trading a $5 million player in a simultaneous trade can receive one or more players whose salary is no more than 125% of $5 million, plus $100,000, or $6.35 million in return.
So, if we combined Kenny...that means we would have to take back more salary as well, which, doesn't make sense since we aren't doing anything to free up money we spent on Salmons.
What they could do is trade for an expiring deal, just to get Kenny off the books...and have the new guys contract expire earlier then Kenny's will...
But, there really isn't much of a way to make up any money we spent on Salmons.
If we were to S&T Bonzi, lets say for 10 million a year, we must take back within 125% of what we are trading.
Teams can acquire up to 125% plus $100,000 of the salaries they are trading in a simultaneous trade. For example, a team trading a $5 million player in a simultaneous trade can receive one or more players whose salary is no more than 125% of $5 million, plus $100,000, or $6.35 million in return.
So, if we combined Kenny...that means we would have to take back more salary as well, which, doesn't make sense since we aren't doing anything to free up money we spent on Salmons.
What they could do is trade for an expiring deal, just to get Kenny off the books...and have the new guys contract expire earlier then Kenny's will...
But, there really isn't much of a way to make up any money we spent on Salmons.
nbrans
All-Star
If this deal is actually on the table then you actually don't even need Jasekivicius to be involved. Foster makes $5,225,000, which means the Pacers could S&T Bonzi for a starting salary of as much as $6.5 million -- it's doubtful that Bonzi is going to get much more than that as a starting salary anyway.
But I wonder how interested Indiana really would be in that deal. They're already stacked on the wings, and unless they have a plan to move Steven Jackson it seems like overkill to get Bonzi.
I said "let him walk" but only because I don't think there's a realistic chance of Petrie making any kind of S&T that would really help us.
I have to believe the offers just aren't out there, or something would have been done. Bonzi's agent can talk about six teams still being interested but I think Latrell Sprewell's agent was making the same kinds of noises most of last year - and look what happened there.
I have to believe the offers just aren't out there, or something would have been done. Bonzi's agent can talk about six teams still being interested but I think Latrell Sprewell's agent was making the same kinds of noises most of last year - and look what happened there.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
I see flavor is running toward S&T but one-for-one. But who is left out there? Voskhul is about to go to Bobcats, Wilcox, Gooden and Evans are not in the equation. Pretty much leaves Foster but salaries don't match. Wouldn't it be nice to get Foster and a 1st round pick for S&T for Bonzi??? WOW.
Otherwise, I don't see a S&T happening. Don't see any other FA signing before training camp either. AND Brad looked the best condition of his life in the USA game last night. Held his own on big guys and hit the mid/long range jumpers. and he is one of the best passing big men out there.
Soooooooo, just don't see anything big happening for now.
Otherwise, I don't see a S&T happening. Don't see any other FA signing before training camp either. AND Brad looked the best condition of his life in the USA game last night. Held his own on big guys and hit the mid/long range jumpers. and he is one of the best passing big men out there.
Soooooooo, just don't see anything big happening for now.
El Paljasso
Bench
I don't know enough of the rules, but if we don't want to take back salary(to avoid the luxury tax), can't we s&t bonzi for future draft pick(s)?
R
Rome
Guest
Yea and also take a step backwards and lose more rebounding and toughness this season.
I would like to see us obtain a big that can rebound at the least.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Sure, but his salary at $6M+ is 2 or 3 very high up first round draft picks, ie., a team finishing in bottom 1/3 of league. So not too likely.
AleksandarN
Starter
That is not true look at Grant Hill S&T that yeilded Big Ben.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Sure. But who is out there now??? and who at the $6M-$7M level that Bonzi wants?
I think this year we will make major strides in rebounding as a team and more than make up for what Bonzi did. But ya gotta wait and see.....
R
Rome
Guest
I think this year we will make major strides in rebounding as a team and more than make up for what Bonzi did. But ya gotta wait and see.....
But however way you see it, its still bad.... This team doesn't have any big other than KT who is capable of grabbing rebounds.
I think a coach can help the rebounding as a team but he still needs the players who are capable of rebounding.
Kingzrool
Starter
I chose S&T 1 for 1 but I think that if something were out there, GP would have already put it together.
On the other hand.....things always change and what was never on the table all of the sudden is. At least that is what I am hoping for. As Mick Jagger once said "Time is on our side, yes it is baby".
On the other hand.....things always change and what was never on the table all of the sudden is. At least that is what I am hoping for. As Mick Jagger once said "Time is on our side, yes it is baby".
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
How about the other team isn't KNOWINGLY going to give you an All-Star. Ben was just another backup big at that time.
As an aside, the year before that summer, the Magic had on their team Matt Harpring, Corey Maggette and Ben Wallace, and let them all go. If they had done nothing more than pick up TMac and then sat on their hands they could have been nasty. Let alone if they had actually managed to nab Duncan as was their original plan.
Entity
Hall of Famer
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no need in me posting as piksi said what i think. Bonzi for equal value don't help us much except as a backup. We have a backup PF with Reef only problem is he is our starting PF. Bonzi and KT for a signed and traded Wilcox and (brace yourself) Danny Fortson. Fortson is tough and ill tempered we know that but he could be useful in our frontcourt for about 8 to 10 min a game. He is also an expiring contract and Seattle don't want him.
Now it don't have to be those 2 but we may have to take a player like that. One that isn't wanted or a bad contract (to the team they are on) It needs to be a player that can fill a role we need if we take the bad contract.
Frontcourt
Willcox/Reef/Amundson
Miller/Willcox/Fortson/Williams
LPKingsFan
All-Star
S&T with NY for either Crawford or Q-Rich. Then package Garcia with one of the expiring deals and/or KT/SAR to get frontcourt help.
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