Bogdanovic - guard or SF?

#61
The sobering reality of the SF position in today's NBA is that there's the have's and the have-not's and teams in the latter - ones who attempt to contend, like the Rockets, are required to find defensive options at SF to try and throw waves of players, strong and wiry and everything inbetween, at the likes of KD, LeBron and Paul George in feeble attempts at battening down the hatches.

The Kings aren't in that position or frankly within remote striking distance of it, so they can use the position as a flex, to experiment with. This is why assuredly we'll be seeing 40 year old Vince Carter and Bogdan Bogdanovic at the 3, and perhaps even 6'4" Buddy Hield.
 
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#62
The sobering reality of the SF position in today's NBA is that there's the have's and the have-not's and teams in the latter - ones who attempt to contend, like the Rockets, are required to find defensive options at SF to try and throw waves of players, strong and wiry and everything inbetween, at the likes of KD, LeBron and Paul George in feeble attempts at battening down the hatches.

The Kings aren't in that position or frankly within remote striking distance of it, so they can use the position as a flex, to experiment with. This is why assuredly we'll be seeing 40 year old Vince Carter and Bogdan Bogdanovic at the 3, and perhaps even 6'4" Buddy Hield.
Exactly right. This is not the final roster we are going to be trying to get deep into the playoffs with. Changes will be made over the next few seasons.
 
#64
Players getting minutes out of their best position can be more counter productive to their development when its all said and done. Bogdan will spend some spot minutes at SF but he is not going to be a starter there or play more minutes there.

It's not a popular opinion around here but there is a fair chance that Bogdan will start at SG and Buddy comes off the bench.
I agree that it can be counter productive. I just don't think it would be as big a deal to play Bogs as a 3 vs 2 than the Tyreke Evans development fiasco of a few years ago.

That being said, I'd have no issue with a Bogs/Buddy rotation at the two. Really, I think Mali is gonna be the odd man out minutes wise, which is a shame because he showed flashes.

Hey, maybe we can put him at the 3! :p
 
#65
I agree that it can be counter productive. I just don't think it would be as big a deal to play Bogs as a 3 vs 2 than the Tyreke Evans development fiasco of a few years ago.

That being said, I'd have no issue with a Bogs/Buddy rotation at the two. Really, I think Mali is gonna be the odd man out minutes wise, which is a shame because he showed flashes.

Hey, maybe we can put him at the 3
! :p
He's the only one with the physical profile to man that spot. I bet he does hold down the reserve wing too behind Jackson of course.
 

HndsmCelt

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#66
To my way of thinking the real answer to the questions about where to play Bogs and who should start at the 3 is NOT about offense, offense can be adjusted to FIT the personal when you have talent on the floor, it will be about defense. Who ever we play at the 3 will have to defend the spot. Sure help or team defense cn cover up a big size gap, but the people going on about how so many of the teams are going small miss the point that one of the reasons that KD and LBJ are SO effective is that on top of their enormous talent, there are also the mismatches their size gives them. Sure there are numerous other factors but to say size does not really matter at the 3 is to ignore what it looks like when a 6'5" swing man is defending these guys...

So back to may point I would suspect and hope that one of the primary factors in deciding where to play bogs etc. is who fits the defense the BEST. Then you can worry about situational match ups.
 
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#67
I know I posted to this thread, but now can't find my post!
In any case, my take is that Bogs has to show what he can and can't do at the NBA level. I'm confident that he'll be a contributor; the question is how big a contributor and how can he best help the team? (Including in the context of our other players.)
So I think it's premature to pencil him into anything but a supportive role as a SG right now.
And that doesn't mean I don't HOPE he'll turn out to be something special for us.
 

VF21

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#69
I know I posted to this thread, but now can't find my post!
In any case, my take is that Bogs has to show what he can and can't do at the NBA level. I'm confident that he'll be a contributor; the question is how big a contributor and how can he best help the team? (Including in the context of our other players.)
So I think it's premature to pencil him into anything but a supportive role as a SG right now.
And that doesn't mean I don't HOPE he'll turn out to be something special for us.
I checked and it doesn't look like you posted in this thread. You did make a comment in the "starting lineup" thread about Buddy being the starting SG.
 
#70
I checked and it doesn't look like you posted in this thread. You did make a comment in the "starting lineup" thread about Buddy being the starting SG.
Thanks. I think the problem is the error message I get sometimes when I hit 'post reply' and there's nothing I can do to get around it except come back another time and try again. I've tried using different browsers and clearing out my cache to get around the problem, but that never seems to solve the problem. Thankfully it only happens like 1 in 20 times, if that.
 

bajaden

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#71
The sobering reality of the SF position in today's NBA is that there's the have's and the have-not's and teams in the latter - ones who attempt to contend, like the Rockets, are required to find defensive options at SF to try and throw waves of players, strong and wiry and everything inbetween, at the likes of KD, LeBron and Paul George in feeble attempts at battening down the hatches.

The Kings aren't in that position or frankly within remote striking distance of it, so they can use the position as a flex, to experiment with. This is why assuredly we'll be seeing 40 year old Vince Carter and Bogdan Bogdanovic at the 3, and perhaps even 6'4" Buddy Hield.
I agree with you, except I think it's more likely we'll see Richardson at the three instead of Buddy. That's assuming of course that Richardson can stay on the floor long enough to show what he's capable of. However, Richardson has the size and length to play the position, and Buddy would be at a disadvantage. Hey, were not going to win a lot of games anyway, so why not try a lot of different combo's. What the Kings need to find out this year is who we want to go forward with, and who we need to move somewhere else. Notice how nicely I put that? :rolleyes:
 

bajaden

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#72
He's the only one with the physical profile to man that spot. I bet he does hold down the reserve wing too behind Jackson of course.
Andre Iguodala: 6'6.75" in shoes, 217 Lbs, 6'11" wingspan, 8'9.50" standing reach.
Malachi Richardson: 6'6.25" in shoes, 200 lbs, 7'0" wingspan, 8'5.50" standing reach.
Bogdan Bogdanovic: 6'6.25" in shoes, 200 lbs, 6'11" wingspan, 8'8.50" standing reach.

As you can see, the biggest difference between Iggy, Bogdan, and Malachi is that Iggy and Bogdan have a higher standing reach Weird considering that Malachi has a bigger wingspan. He mush have very wide shoulders. I'd say that both Malachi and Bog's look physically able to play the three. Doesn't mean they can, but it looks good on paper.
 
#73
I agree with you, except I think it's more likely we'll see Richardson at the three instead of Buddy. That's assuming of course that Richardson can stay on the floor long enough to show what he's capable of. However, Richardson has the size and length to play the position, and Buddy would be at a disadvantage. Hey, were not going to win a lot of games anyway, so why not try a lot of different combo's. What the Kings need to find out this year is who we want to go forward with, and who we need to move somewhere else. Notice how nicely I put that? :rolleyes:
Didn't Richardson, before he got hurt, play the 3 in summer league?
 
#76
I agree with you, except I think it's more likely we'll see Richardson at the three instead of Buddy. That's assuming of course that Richardson can stay on the floor long enough to show what he's capable of. However, Richardson has the size and length to play the position, and Buddy would be at a disadvantage. Hey, were not going to win a lot of games anyway, so why not try a lot of different combo's. What the Kings need to find out this year is who we want to go forward with, and who we need to move somewhere else. Notice how nicely I put that? :rolleyes:
I hope so! hopefully he's ready for a significant minutes uptick. He's a swingman as well IMO.
 
#77
SG Buddy, Bogdan, Malachi
SF Carter,Justin, Temple (in any order)

Buddy and Bogs should be our SG rotation - Period
100% disagree. You would be screwing over a good player if either Buddy or Bogdan can't play at least 20mins at SF.

The way I would like to see the minutes on an average night (I might be missing a couple bench warmers)

SF - Carter 22 mins - Bogdan 20 mins - Temple 6 mins
SG - Buddy 35 mins - Bogdan 10 mins - George 3 mins
PG - George 30 mins - Fox 18 mins

This would give us our best chance to win on a nightly basis. We need Buddy/Bogdan/George to get the majority of the minutes at PG/SG/SF.
 

VF21

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#78
100% disagree. You would be screwing over a good player if either Buddy or Bogdan can't play at least 20mins at SF.

The way I would like to see the minutes on an average night (I might be missing a couple bench warmers)

SF - Carter 22 mins - Bogdan 20 mins - Temple 6 mins
SG - Buddy 35 mins - Bogdan 10 mins - George 3 mins
PG - George 30 mins - Fox 18 mins

This would give us our best chance to win on a nightly basis. We need Buddy/Bogdan/George to get the majority of the minutes at PG/SG/SF.
But...it's not about our "best chance to win on a nightly basis." It's about giving the kids enough minutes to let them improve their skills while having the veterans there to keep them from being overused/thrown to the wolves as Ben McLemore was.
 
#79
But...it's not about our "best chance to win on a nightly basis." It's about giving the kids enough minutes to let them improve their skills while having the veterans there to keep them from being overused/thrown to the wolves as Ben McLemore was.
I think there's a combo of both - the goal shouldn't necessarily be to win every night - but having the chance - so that the kids play meaningful minutes every night in close games, rather than blowouts, is a big part of why the vets are there. Obviously McLemore was thrown to the wolves, but I think even more important is preventing another Tyreke type situation where one of the kids becomes a stat stuffer and gets saddled with impossible expectations for the next few seasons.
 
#81
SF- Jackson, Richardson, Carter
SG - Hield, Bogdanovic, Temple
PG- Hill, Fox, Mason

Start out this way and let the chips fall where they may.

No question that training camp will begin to influence combos as will pre-season games, as well as every game as we get into the season. With all our potential talented young players there will be a constant battle for the coaches to field a good team, to give each guy and each combo a chance to develop and perform. Tough job for the coaching staff. And at some point they will stick with a player or combo of players to really see if they prove themselves as a team. At some point some very good talent will be chosen to sit on the bench. Looking forward to it all. I think we have a good coaching staff to handle the challenge.