BMiller52's plan to make the kings a title lock!(IF KG wants out)

[BMiller52]

Bibby+Abdur-Rahim+Williamson+Potapenko+Garcia+pick#19
for
Garnett+Jaric+Hudson

why for the wolves: KG wants out and they won't get much more than this for him. They lose two of their bad contracts and get back nearly 10 million in expiring contracts. Bibby is a top PG(one of the toughest positions in the league to fill) and Shareef is a cheap replacement for Garnett. Obviously Shareef isn't nearly as good but he's not nearly as expensive. He's a good player at the 4 for them that can play decent post defense. Garcia's a great young player to have on your team and when the wolves DO draft a player they get someone decent(Ray Allen, Garnett, Szczerbiak, Mccants) so the 19 pick could be put to use.

why for the kings: KEVIN FREAKING GARNETT. KG is not Tim Duncan but he's still one of the best players in the league. Hudson+Jaric give us some bench production. We lose a lot of good stuff but KG+Artest on the same team is too good to pass up.

Bonzi Wells for Jason Terry(double sign and trade)

why for the Mavs: Devin Harris is a great young player that actually does his job description(plays PG very well!). They don't really have a definite starter at the 2. Bonzi gives them another post player for their team full of mismatches.

why for the Kings: After you trade Mike Bibby you NEED a point guard. Jason Terry is pretty damn good. He's a great shooter and he plays decent defense. He's probably the best thing we could get for Bonzi if we want to S&T him.

sign Fransisco Elson and Jared Jeffries with the MLE

Why: We need a back up to Miller and Artest. Both of these guys should be cheap and aren't awful. Elson is pretty good and Jeffries played well in the post season. Jeffries just needs to be able to fill in 10-15 mins a game for Ron.

Final line up:
Terry/Martin/Artest/Garnett/Miller

bench:
Hudson/Jaric/Jeffries/Thomas/Elson

Team analysis:
Artest/Garnett/Miller is the best 3-5 in the league. Artest and Garnett would be the best forward combo in the league(at offense and defense). Terry/Miller/Garnett/Martin can all shoot the ball so Ron will have room to work inside or slash to the basket. The bench is probably better than what we have right now. This team has defense, shooters, and post players. None of these guys are selfish but all of them can score.

Discuss!

 

[Venom]

Would you have given away that much for a 30 year old Patrick Ewing? Ewing was another annual underachiever, although he managed to make the playoffs in his prime. I really don't understand the infatuation with Garnett. I wouldn't want him anymore, period. I really don't want him on a team that already has Artest. And I particularly don't want him around if I am at all interested in salvaging Miller's career (I'm not, but the above proposal seems to be).

Ron didn't like trying to coexist with the mild-mannered Jermaine O'Neal. How the heck is he supposed to co-exist with the uberjerk, Garnett?

 

[Bricklayer]

Er...make the call BMiller.

If, IF it ever reaches that point this summer with KG, figure that's the sort of offer we would haver to make to be in the conversation. Teh pick, a kid, maybe Reef as the cheap replacement, Mike or Brad as the main money (perhaps passed trhough a third team) and some ending contracts whiel taking back one of their bad ones.

Fortunately we being the Kings could absorb those losses and still field a formidable team around Ron & KG.

 

[Bricklayer]

How the heck is he supposed to co-exist with the uberjerk, Garnett?

And right there is the taint that runs through all your posts about KG -- bottom line, you just don't like him. Which is nice and all, but after a decade of carryng a franchise on his back, rarely missing a game, displaying loyalty to a fault to his ex coach, teammates, and until recently, franchise, you not liking him does not carry the day. There are FAR worse characters in the NBA.

Fortunately, intensely competitive "uberjerks" like KG, oh, and Ron Artest BTW, often have this tendency to respect and understand each other.

Meanwhile, you have just assembled the best forward tandem in the league, bar none, and a defensive tandem right up there with Prince/Wallace and Duncan/Bowen.

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

Funniest thread ever......

 

[Amanjoy]

Interesting proposition, and one that would definitely help the team.

I agree with the concerns over KG and Artest trying to get along when Artest has just barely established that this is his team now.

Also, if you're gonna ship off Bonzi Wells, send him to the Eastern Conference. I don't what this guy torturing the Kings by playing for the MAvs or any other Western Conference team. That's the last thing we'd want to do. I'm also, reluctant to think that the Mavs would be willing to just hand over the reigns to Devin HArris so quickly, when he's still truly unproven. He's playing really well right now, but he still shows signs of flaw in his game and inexprience. The Mavs are a team built to win NOW, and I don't think the Mavs' management would be willing to say right now or next season that Harris is the PG that will get them there, nor that they can do it without Jason Terry. That holds true ESPECIALLY if the Mavs don't win it all this year and end up losing ot the Spurs again.

 

[Venom]

And right there is the taint that runs through all your posts about KG -- bottom line, you just don't like him. Which is nice and all, but after a decade of carryng a franchise on his back, rarely missing a game, displaying loyalty to a fault to his ex coach, teammates, and until recently, franchise, you not liking him does not carry the day. There are FAR worse characters in the NBA.

Fortunately, intensely competitive "uberjerks" like KG, oh, and Ron Artest BTW, often have this tendency to respect and understand each other.

Meanwhile, you have just assembled the best forward tandem in the league, bar none, and a defensive tandem right up there with Prince/Wallace and Duncan/Bowen.

OK then. Please explain to me why KG is a good leader and why he and Artest would work well together. When has he proven to be a good leader? The one time he went deep in the playoffs he had Sam Cassell. I think there is enough evidence to suggest that Cassell powered that team to the WCF, not KG. Sam certainly beat us in the second round, and then they sputtered when he got hurt. Sam has won at every stop, and is now resurrecting the Clippers. You can break out the old saw that it was the only time KG had talent around him, but I disagree. Moreover, there have been plenty of MVPs who battled in the playoffs w/ poor talent around them. Lebron is doing it currently at 21 years of age. But Lebron is also a far superior leader than KG. You can be the kind of leader that KG is if you can back it up. If you can't, you're just an abrasive jerk.

You're right though, I don't like him. I would never want to play w/ KG, not even in a pickup game. Put up w/ his garbage for a first round exit, and now to not even make the playoffs? No freaking way. I'd deal with MJ, cause he'll get me a ring. But I'm not going to put up with KG's attitude when he's also a loser. No way.

O'Neal and Artest was the best forward tandem in the league, right? I mean, two All-Stars, tough defenders, and young. That didn't work out, and O'Neal is a pretty low-key cat.

 

[nbrans]

I agree with venom about KG's leadership -- there's really no evidence to suggest that he's much of a leader, certainly not based on any kind of success on the court except when he had Spree and Cassell.

But I also agree with those who would be tremendously excited to have KG. He's the greatest second banana in the history of the NBA -- by himself, he's not had much success. But if there was someone else on the team as good as him (i.e. Artest) who knows what his team might be capable of.

 

[Gary]

First off, WHY would KG have to be a leader? Artest has already said he wants the job.

Artest might light that fire under KG and take him back to 2 years ago and a 25/12/5/2 guy he was.

 

[bozzwell]

Here's my take on KG:

Do I want KG on the Kings? Yes, of course. Even if we trade Mike and SAR, pieces and 1st pick for him we are immediately transformed into a contender with Artest, KG and the rest of the roster (whether we fill it up by resignign Bonzi or lesser FA's). In that respect I agree with Brick and pretty much the rest of KF.com minus Venom.

I also think that Venom's read on KG is closer to reality then anything else I read on KF.com. I admire the player and the talent, but I just dislike the public persona that is KG (of course, I might like the real dude behind it if I new him, but that is besides the point). I say this every time when KG is brought up on the board, and I will repeat it every time KG is topic of discussion: All those nasty labels that media (and AV in particular) were trying to attach to Webber and we knew to be untrue (i.e. "loser intangibles") were more apropriate for KG. I don't buy his intensity. It's an act. His act is as genuine as that of a guest on Jerry Springer. Just the other day they were replaying "KG crying" and I could have sworn that I am watching Oprah. Maybe he is one of those guys who is being perfectly natural but looks wooden and daytime-soap-operaish, but I ain't buying it for one bit. His "attempted stare-down" of AP in playoff 2 years ago made me laugh uncontrollably. In that NBA brawls video that circulates Internet, pay attention to the Wolves-Spurs brawl where he approaches TD from behind and it looks like he will tap TD on the sholder and at the last moment he makes a limp push on the back of TD's head. Hysterical. I could go on but it feels kind of wrong since he is a premier talent and one of the best in his era and statistically, no doubt Hall of Famer and all time great.

Or I could justr say (like I always do ) Webber > KG. BTW, KG gets too much of a free-pass from KF members because he is (or was?) such a perfect fit for the Kings post-Webber. If we could get KG somehow and keep Mike, with Artest around we immediately become 2002 Kings with Vitamins and Minerals added. In reality, to paraphrase Bricklayer, even though Minny is terrible franchose and for the most part KG was surrounded with bums, of course it has something to do with KG when you make it out of first round once and miss 2 play offs in a row when KG is in his prime.

As for KG and Ron Ron co-existing. If my read on KG is anywhere close to correct, I'd be more concerned about KG coexisting under Ron Ron then other way around.

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

I wouldn't trade Bibby away for KG. We cannot afford to lose another good man in our team. SAR + Miller would be OK though! I can't just accept a guard like Hudson and Jaric.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Why wouldn't we trade for Banks instead of Hudson in this fantasy scenario and keep Bonzi? I think we'd be better off moving Miller rather than Bibby too as we'd be far better at 1-4 this way. Then all we'd need is a couple bodies to clog the lane and get the occasional rebound. I think that would work but like a few others I'm not a huge KG fan and think there are simpler/more realistic moves we can make to be serious contenders.

 

[walker60]

The only way to get KG would be BMiller52's plan, and that's a maybe. We'd have to take KG along with a couple of their bad contracts. No way would the Wolves do that trade w/o Bibby and instead Brad Miller. Not saying I'd do that trade one way or the other but that is probably the only likely scenario that nets us KG.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Well if we had to trade Bibby then we'd be better off having them work out a sign and trade that nets us Banks than either Jaric or Hudson. KG's contract is what's killing their team, so we can't take on any other bad contracts along with that, especially since we would have no bench in this scenario.

I think its giving up way too much for too small of a window in return and there is no such thing as a title lock.

 

[ImaKingsFan]

Just a little side note on something about KG and Artest and O'Neal that I was able to observe. The Wolves and Pacers had a pre-season game in our town this year and we were lucky enough to score courtside seats. Kevin McHale and a local bank were heavily involved in bringing the game here. So the Wolves were the HOME team. Artest didn't dress but he was courtside before the game and he was nice to the kids and signed autographs for all who wanted them. O'Neal was equally as accomodating. At the end of the game O'Neal threw his headband and wrist bands to the kids. Garnett walked right by us as and a really cool, outgoing African American man with the cutest little boy (wearing a Garnett jersey) asked Garnett to show his little son some love and sign his jersey. He just kept walking, at no time did he come out and sign autographs and interact with the fans even though we were hosting the Wolves. Larry Bird, Mchale, Mad Dog, all signed autographs and were nice to the fans. Mad Dog actually was awesome, he shook our hands and thanked us for coming out. Anyways, I have never thought much of Garnett the person and watching how he acted that night confirmed it for me. A lot of people were talking about the fact that Artest, O'Neal, and Jackson were way nicer to the fans and the Wolves were supposed to be the host team. So.. KG leaves a bad taste in my mouth. We have lots of family in Minnesota and there are lots of stories there about him acting like a supreme jerk to the fans and even his neighbors. He may be a great basketball player but we sure were not impressed with him as a person.

 

[walker60]

Well if we had to trade Bibby then we'd be better off having them work out a sign and trade that nets us Banks than either Jaric or Hudson. KG's contract is what's killing their team, so we can't take on any other bad contracts along with that, especially since we would have no bench in this scenario.

I think its giving up way too much for too small of a window in return and there is no such thing as a title lock.

I would tend to agree with you, giving up too much, for too small of a window....

 

[Bricklayer]

I would tend to agree with you, giving up too much, for too small of a window....

Hey, its still a window.

I think our recent success has spoiled us. True title windows are VERY rare,. and you take them however you can get them. Think the Heat have any second thoughts about the Shaq trade? Even if they never get the title, they've at least been in the conversation, had their golden age.

The Kings have had 3-4 years of "window" in the entire Sacto era. You look at the Clippers, and they may NEVER have had a window. The Warriors haven't had one in 30 years. The Blazers had 2-3 years there around 2000, and another 3-4 years a decade before. The Sonics had maybe 2-3 years in the mid 90's. Ths Suns had one year last year that was a maybe, and then maybe a couple of years in the early 90s. Etc. Windows, REAL windows, are very rare beasties. If you can open one up, you just do it and worry about the rest later. There are no guaranteed titles, and no 100% guaranteed roadmaps to the top. All you can do is make a move or moves that gives you a CHANCE, and hope the gods smile on you.

You acquire KG without having to give up Ron, then you've got 3-5 years of window, of chance. That's golden.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Hey, its still a window.

I think our recent success has spoiled us. True title windows are VERY rare,. and you take them however you can get them. Think the Heat have any second thoughts about the Shaq trade? Even if they never get the title, they've at least been in the conversation, had their golden age.

The Kings have had 3-4 years of "window" in the entire Sacto era. You look at the Clippers, and they may NEVER have had a window. The Warriors haven't had one in 30 years. The Blazers had 2-3 years there around 2000, and another 3-4 years a decade before. The Sonics had maybe 2-3 years in the mid 90's. Ths Suns had one year last year that was a maybe, and then maybe a couple of years in the early 90s. Etc. Windowa, REAL windows, are very rare beasties. If you can open one up, you just do it and worry about the rest later. There are no guaranteed titles, and no 100% guaranteed roadmaps ot the top. All you can do is make a move or move that gives you a CHANCE, and hope the gods smile on you.

You acquire KG without having to give up Ron, then you've got 3-5 years of window, of chance. That's golden.

Boooo.

Bibby stays.

I admit this may be completely nonsensical/emotional/homeristic fandom talking, but Bibby stays.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Hey, its still a window.

Yes, its still a window. But would we have a bigger window if we moved Brad for a more conventional center, kept Bonzi, Bibby and Garcia, drafted well and either traded our expiring contracts at the deadline for an impact player or let them run off the books and made a move in the next offseason. Also with KG and his monster contract it might be harder to keep Artest which would limit our window to 2 years and if we trade half the team to do it we're going to have a horrible bench god-forbid a Kings starter should ever get injured.

 

[Venom]

Hey, its still a window.

Yes, KG will open a window with a beautiful vista of future first round exits. But he'll look REALLY intense while he opens it, so there's that.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes, KG will open a window with a beautiful vista of future first round exits. But he'll look REALLY intense while he opens it, so there's that.

Oh yes, I'm quite sure KG + Artest (+Miller, Martin, KT, Terry etc. in the initial proposal) = First Round exit.

You need to seriously get over this whole hate thing you've got with KG. It blinds your acumen.

If ANY team with a legit elite star type player can acquire KG without having to give that star up, they are instant contenders. Let alone an Artest/KG super forward pairing.

 

[kingsfan916]

i would do it ron ron+KG is amazing and jason terry and miller and them! thats just tight

 

[kingsfan916]

Yes, KG will open a window with a beautiful vista of future first round exits. But he'll look REALLY intense while he opens it, so there's that.

u r kidding right? Artest + KG is not even close to fiorst round exit. hell we almost beat the spurs now... and w/ terry and kg and ron etc. we would make it to the WCF atleast

 

[chaps]

Hey fellow Kings Fans, maybe if we dream of getting Garnett just a tiny little bit more it might happen. Or not...

stop teasing yourselves guys.

This whole getting Garnett thing is like when a guy meets the girl of his dream and drools whenever she's remotely close or talks to him. He's gonna want to get with her. His will to be with that girl blinds him from the truth that the poor dude doesn't stand a freaking chance and never will.

We Kings Fans are that guy
And Kevin Garnett is that hot girl


yes people... i really did just compare Kevin Garnett to a girl

 

[VF21]

^^Once again, people aren't going to stop talking about Kevin Garnett. If it bothers you that much, simply skip over the posts where he's mentioned. Unfortunately, it's TDOS and he's gonna be mentioned in a lot of them.

 

[Venom]

Oh yes, I'm quite sure KG + Artest (+Miller, Martin, KT, Terry etc. in the initial proposal) = First Round exit.

You need to seriously get over this whole hate thing you've got with KG. It blinds your acumen.

If ANY team with a legit elite star type player can acquire KG without having to give that star up, they are instant contenders. Let alone an Artest/KG super forward pairing.

Again, what evidence is there to suggest otherwise? KG made it out of the first once, and has missed the playoffs entirely the last two years. How many times has Artest made it out of the first? How are we going to get Terry? Never mind, it doesn't matter, because instead of Terry I say let's get TMac. Then we'll really have a supersweet team!

CONVINCE ME. Why would any team led by KG be a real title contender? What has he done that suggests he can make teammates better, mentor developing players, and raise a team to a new level of play? Your love affair with KG blinds your acumen. I know he's a "tough guy", and you like "tough guys", but why would it work on the court and in the locker room?

First and foremost, I think he and Artest would clash due to their different leadership styles, and the fact that both want to be the alpha dog. Furthermore, KG does not particularly help with the inside defense. He gets pretty weakside blocks, and even prettier blocks after the whistle, but his lack of strength makes him an average/poor positional defender. I vividly remember a hobbled Webber ABUSING KG in the post. And Amare kills KG. To get to the Finals in the next 2-3 years we need a team that compete with the Mavs, Spurs, and Suns (and possibly the Clips and Nuggets). KG has nothing for Duncan and Amare. He and Dirk are a nice matchup, but I like the Mavs team alot more than the one proposed above, because they are keeping Terry.

 

[Rome]

No im not going to give up Bibby. KG needs a offensive guy like Bibby to play next to him and score. Bibby will feed off KG. Take bibby out and put Brad and maybe Kevin Martin/Bonzi...

 

[Widowmaker2k]

You guys just don't understand how simple, yet how great this trade is. If we were able to get Garnett AND keep Brad Miller, we'd being going to war with uzi's, m-16's, a missle launcher or two, AND a four wheel drive truck!

So, to sum it up:

+

=

 

[VF21]

and Widowmaker2k wins the thread...

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

You want a title lock? Draft a big man then develop his skills ultimately for him to make a name for himself. He's not Garnett/Brand/Duncan but if he turns out to be good and/or one of the best then we'll going to have the 'title lock'. Just make sure the one you're going to draft has potential. We don't have to give up anybody. Just draft the good and right one.