Big (Man) Love, 2022-23 season

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#1
Everybody has a short leash this year.

  1. Anybody who is on the "pre-approved" list of Top Tier Big Men (as determined by @Mr. S£im Citrus) will have their nightly statlines recorded, regardless of whether they are good or bad.
  2. Any big man not on the pre-approved list of Top Tier Big Men is eligible to be included in the Honorable Mention portion of the nightly listing. Inclusion into the Honorable Mention portion requires at least one of the following:
    • 20/10 performance (doesn't matter which stat is the 20, and which one is the 10)
    • Triple-double
    • Double-double in a win versus a Top 5 team
      • Prior to Week 8, the designation of "Top 5 team" will be determined by the average power rankings score, as compiled from ESPN, NBA, CBS Sports, NBC Sports and Yahoo Sports. After Week 8, the designation of "Top 5 team" will be determined solely by win-loss record.
  3. 5 or more appearances in the Honorable Mention portion of the listing in the same month will qualify a player for a probationary inclusion to the Top Tier Big Men nightly listing, until/unless otherwise determined by @Mr. S£im Citrus (criteria for full inclusion to be disclosed at a later date... maybe).
    • Any big man who receives two or more BMOtN awards in the same month as an Honorable Mention will also be subject to probationary inclusion to the Top Tier Big Men nightly listing.
    • Any player included in the listing who posts five or more "double-singles" in a month will be subject to removal from the listing.
  4. This is a list for Big Men, not Tall Men. Tall, talented players who don't play regular minutes at PF or C, or whom don't self-identify as Big Men (e.g., Kevin Durant, Giannis Antetokuonmpo) will not be included in this listing.
  5. Nightly listings will, TTBOMA, be posted between 23:00-23:30 ET, with any late game statlines being posted the following morning.
The following is the "pre-approved" list of Top Tier Big Men:
  • Joel Embiid (PHI)
  • Nikola Vucevic (CHI)
  • Anthony Davis (LAL)
  • Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN)
  • Rudy Gobert (MIN)
  • John Collins (ATL)
  • Nikola Jokic (DEN)
  • Domatas Sabonis (SAC)
  • Edris Adebayo (MIA)
  • DeAndre Ayton (PHX)
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#3
10/18 Big Man update:

Joel Embiid: 26/15/5/0/1 [6 to] versus Celtics
Anthony Davis: 27/6/0/4/1 versus Warriors

Both top tier bigs who played last night lost, no award.
 

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#5
10/19 Big Man update:

John Collins: 24/8/1/1/0 versus Rockets
Nikola Vucevic: 15/17/2/0/3 versus Heat
Edris Adebayo: 12/9/2/0/1 versus Bulls
Rudy Gobert: 23/16/2/1/1 versus Thunder
Karl-Anthony Towns: 12/6/7/0/0 versus Thunder
Nikola Jokic: 27/4/7/3/0 versus Jazz
Domantas Sabonis: 13/4/5/1/1 versus Trail Blazers


Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Pascal Siakam: 23/11/1/4/0 versus Cavaliers
Julius Randle: 24/11/6/2/0 versus Grizzlies

Giving it to Siakam over Stifle, due to quality of opposition.
 

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#7
Power Rankings? I didn't think you held those in any esteem
I don't. But, failing in those, there will definitely be a non-zero number of players ineligible for Honorable Mention, because one of the ways you can qualify for Honorable Mention is, "Double-double in a win versus a Top 5 team," and for the first month and a half or so, teams haven't played enough games to base Top 5 off of record.
 

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#8
10/20 Big Man update:

Joel Embiid: 15/12/3/0/1 versus Bucks
Anthony Davis: 25/8/0/1/0 versus Clippers


Same as Tuesday. Both lost, no award.
 

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#9
10/21 Big Man update:

Nikola Vucevic: 24/8/1/0/0 versus Wizards
John Collins: 23/13/0/3/1 versus Magic
Edris Adebayo: 19/8/5/2/0 versus Celtics
Rudy Gobert: 9/23/0/1/2 versus Jazz
Karl-Anthony Towns: 27/8/2/0/0 versus Jazz
(
BMOtN) Nikola Jokic: 26/12/10/0/0 versus Warriors


Honorable Mention
Jonas Valanciunas: 30/17/4/1/1 versus Hornets
Paolo Banchero: 20/12/2/1/3 versus Hawks
Pascal Siakam: 37/12/11/0/0 versus Nets
Alperen Sengun: 23/12/1/1/2 versus Grizzlies


Note: Having not yet seen Paolo Banchero play with my own eyes, I haven't made up my mind whether he's a big man or a tall man. I included him in the Honorable Mention list for last night, but I reserve the right to pull his classification after I actually see him play.
 

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#10
10/22 Big Man update:

Joel Embiid: 40/13/3/1/2 versus Spurs
Edris Adebayo: 10/7/7/1/0 versus Raptors
Nikola Vucevic: 16/4/3/0/3 versus Cavaliers
Nikola Jokic: 19/16/13/1/1 versus Thunder
Domatas Sabonis: 11/10/7/2/2 versus Clippers


Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Christian Wood: 25/12/3/0/1 versus Grizzlies


A triple double is impressive. Counterpoint: it was the Thunder.
 
#11
10/22 Big Man update:

Joel Embiid: 40/13/3/1/2 versus Spurs
Edris Adebayo: 10/7/7/1/0 versus Raptors
Nikola Vucevic: 16/4/3/0/3 versus Cavaliers
Nikola Jokic: 19/16/13/1/1 versus Thunder
Domatas Sabonis: 11/10/7/2/2 versus Clippers



Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Christian Wood: 25/12/3/0/1 versus Grizzlies


A triple double is impressive. Counterpoint: it was the Thunder.
Thunder, but on a back to back.

*Comment related solely to impresiveness of the tripple duble, not to the award rewarded.
 

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#12
10/23 Big Man update:

Anthony Davis: 22/10/3/2/6 versus Trail Blazers
John Collins: 10/10/1/1/4 versus Hornets
Jarrett Allen: 15/14/3/0/2 versus Wizards
Zion Williamson: 25/6/1/1/2 versus Jazz
Rudy Gobert: 15/15/1/0/1 versus Thunder
Karl-Anthony Towns: 15/8/5/1/0 versus Thunder
Domatas Sabonis: 19/14/4/0/1 versus Warriors


Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Nick Richards: 20/11/1/0/2 versus Hawks
 

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#13
10/24 Big Man update:

Joel Embiid: 26/5/2/1/3 versus Pacers
Edris Adebayo: 14/10/3/1/2 versus Raptors
(
BMOtN) Nikola Vucevic: 18/23/5/0/0 versus Celtics
Rudy Gobert: 11/7/1/0/3 versus Spurs
Karl-Anthony Towns: 27/11/5/0/0 versus Spurs
Nikola Jokic: 9/9/9/0/0 versus Trail Blazers



Honorable Mention
Precious Achiuwa: 10/22/2/0/1 versus Heat
Julius Randle: 25/12/4/1/0 versus Magic


I don't plan to stay up for the end of Nuggets/Trail Blazers, so I'll make it official sometime tomorrow but, for now, it appears to be Vucevic's to lose.
 
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#14
Lauri Markeneen should be on the list I don't see that much difference than say Pascal in terms of where he plays his minutes. He has had to play a small amount of SF at times due to Kelly O and Kesslar being way less athletic than he is. Lauri is most def a big man who will put up serious numbers.
 

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#15
Lauri Markeneen should be on the list I don't see that much difference than say Pascal in terms of where he plays his minutes. He has had to play a small amount of SF at times due to Kelly O and Kesslar being way less athletic than he is. Lauri is most def a big man who will put up serious numbers.
As the person who decides what the criteria is, I will call your attention to a couple of things:
  1. Through four games in the 2022-23 season, Markkanen has played a higher percentage of his minutes at small forward (17%) than he has at center (13%). AFAIC, that "small amount" is not small enough. By comparison, Siakam has played 66% of his minutes at center and none at small forward.
  2. For his career, Markkanen takes +54% of his shots outside of 16 feet, and 45% on the season. Siakam is at 31% and 34%, respectively.
Source: Basketball-Reference.com (Pascal Siakam) (Lauri Markkanen)

Siakam is "big man," Markkanen is "tall man."
 

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#16
I'm not staying up for the fourth quarter of Warriors/Suns. Ayton is the only top tier big man on the schedule tonight, and nobody played well enough to earn Honorable Mention. I'll post Ayton's line tomorrow for posterity, but there'll be no award.


10/25 Big Man update:

DeAndre Ayton: 16/14/4/1/0 versus Warriors
 
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10/26 Big Man update:

John Collins: 19/11/0/1/4 versus Pistons
Joel Embiid: 31/5/3/0/0 versus Raptors
Nikola Vucevic: 14/7/4/0/0 versus Pacers
Rudy Gobert: 10/9/1/1/1 versus Spurs
Karl-Anthony Towns: 21/4/7/2/1 versus Spurs
Edris Adebayo: 18/8/3/1/0 versus Trail Blazers
Anthony Davis: 22/14/5/3/2 versus Nuggets
(
BMOtN) Nikola Jokic: 31/13/9/4/0 versus lakers


Honorable Mention
Pascal Siakam: 20/5/13/0/0 versus 76ers
Bobby Portis: 20/11/0/2/2 versus Nets


DeAndre Jordan played ten minutes and was a -10 in a game his team won by 11. Shoulda kept Cousins.
 

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#19
Well, the Hornets played Orlando tonight, so I finally got a chance to see Paolo Banchero play with my own eyes. By my count, the Magic had 61 offensive possessions when Paolo Banchero was on the court. Of those 61 possessions, Banchero didn't so much as take a step inside the three-point line on 33 of them. Of the 28 possessions where he did step inside the three-point line, he only made it to the Painted Area™ (s/o Hubie Brown) on 14 of them. Here are the results of those 14 possessions (warning: may not be completely in chronological order):
  1. Made layup (drive)
  2. Made layup (drive)
  3. Blocked at rim (drive)
  4. Pass out (missed shot)
  5. Missed layup (drive)
  6. Turnover
  7. Pass out (turnover)
  8. Fouled (1 of 2 fts)
  9. Pass out (made shot/assist)
  10. Fouled (0 of 2 fts)
  11. Layup (post up)
  12. Pass out (made shot/no assist)
  13. Pass out (missed shot)
  14. Pass out (free throws)

Verdict: Paolo Banchero is not Big Man, he is Tall Man.
 

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#20
10/28 Big Man update:

John Collins: 4/10/1/1/3 versus Pistons
(
BMOtN) Rudy Gobert: 22/21/2/1/2 versus lakers
Karl-Anthony Towns: 21/8/7/1/0 versus lakers
Nikola Vucevic: 9/5/2/0/1 versus Spurs
Nikola Jokic: 12/10/6/1/1 versus Jazz
DeAndre Ayton: 4/3/0/0/0 versus Pelicans (injured 1st quarter: ankle)



Honorable Mention
Jarrett Allen: 12/11/2/0/0 versus Celtics
Evan Mobley: 19/10/3/1/2 versus Celtics
Pascal Siakam: 28/10/6/0/0 versus 76ers
Myles Turner: 27/10/2/0/5 versus Wizards
Jakob Poeltl: 21/13/4/1/1 versus Bulls
Jonas Valanciunas: 25/10/2/1/0 versus Suns
Jusuf Nurkic: 27/15/1/1/3 versus Rockets
 
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10/29 Big Man update:

Edris Adebayo: 23/6/4/0/2 versus Kings
Domatas Sabonis: 18/7/3/0/1 versus Heat
Joel Embiid: 25/7/4/1/0 versus Bulls
Nikola Vucevic: 23/19/3/1/0 versus 76ers
John Collins: 4/5/2/0/0 versus Bucks

No award, unless needed for a tiebreaker.
 

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#22
I actually had this done before I went to bed last night, but forgot to post it. And I've been running around all day, and when I did have an hour or so to myself, I wasn't anywhere near the computer I'd typed this up on, and I refused to do it all again from scratch.


10/30 Big Man update:

(
BMOtN) Zion Williamson: 21/12/7/1/0 versus Clippers
Rudy Gobert: 9/12/0/1/2 versus Spurs
Karl-Anthony Towns: 26/11/4/1/2 versus Spurs
Nikola Jokic: 23/14/6/0/2 versus lakers
Anthony Davis: 23/15/2/1/1 versus Nuggets


Honorable Mention
Isaiah Stewart: 24/13/0/0/0 versus Warriors
 

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#23
10/31 Big Man update:

Domatas Sabonis: 9/16/7/1/0 versus Hornets (fouled out)
John Collins: 12/12/1/0/0 versus Raptors



Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Pascal Siakam: 31/12/6/0/2 versus Hawks


I can't imagine anything happening in the second half of this Clippers/Rockets game to take it away from Siakam, but I'll make it official tomorrow.
 
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11/1 Big Man update:

Nikola Vucevic: 7/15/2/1/0 versus Nets
Edrise Adebayo: 19/7/8/3/1 versus Warriors
Karl-Anthony Towns: 24/10/7/0/1 versus Suns
Rudy Gobert: 7/9/3/0/1 versus Suns


Honorable Mention
Wendell Carter, Jr.: 30/12/2/2/1 versus Thunder


The two best lines came in losing efforts. No award.

I got **** to do today, so I don't know if I'll have time to post BMOtM for October. If not, it'll be tomorrow.
 

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#25
11/2 Big Man update:

Domatas Sabonis: 22/12/8/1/0 versus Heat
Bam Adebayo: 20/11/6/0/0 versus Kings
John Collins: 12/13/2/1/1 versus Knicks
Nikola Vucevic: 14/13/3/0/1 versus Hornets
(
BMOtN) Pascal Siakam: 22/10/11/1/0 versus Spurs
Zion Williamson: 27/5/7/0/0 versus lakers
Anthony Davis: 20/16/4/1/4 versus Pelicans


Honorable Mention
Jarrett Allen: 14/14/0/0/2 versus Celtics
Alperen Sengun: 26/13/2/1/0 versus Clippers
Christian Wood: 21/10/0/0/0 versus Jazz
Jusuf Nurkic: 23/13/4/1/0 versus Grizzlies
 

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11/4 Big Man update:

Edris Adebayo: 18/10/4/1/1 versus Pacers
Nikola Vucevic: 24/12/3/1/0 versus Celtics
Pascal Siakam: 18/7/6/1/0 versus Mavericks
Zion Williamson: 16/3/1/1/1 versus Warriors
DeAndre Ayton: 24/8/1/0/0 versus Trail Blazers
Karl-Anthony Towns: 22/11/5/0/0 versus Bucks
Rudy Gobert: 7/13/0/1/1 versus Bucks
Anthony Davis: 22/8/2/0/2 versus Jazz

Eight top-tier bigs played last night. Seven of them lost, and the eighth was mid. No award.
 

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#28
11/5 Big Man update:

Domatas Sabonis: 25/11/6/1/1 versus Magic
John Collins: 7/5/1/0/2 versus Pelicans
Zion Williamson: 29/8/4/0/0 [7 to] versus Hawks
Karl-Anthony Towns: 25/9/6/1/2 versus Rockets
Nikola Jokic: 21/6/10/2/0 versus Spurs
DeAndre Ayton: 7/6/1/0/2 versus Trail Blazers


Honorable Mention
(
BMOtN) Clint Capela: 21/19/1/1/4 versus Pelicans
Bobby Portis: 12/21/2/0/0 versus Thunder

I was going to give it to Sabonis, but 5-12 from the free throw line.
 

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#29
Late as **** End of Month update:



Big Man of the Month for October is Pascal Siakam. For the first time in the history of the Big (Man) Love report, a big made BMOtM as an Honorable Mention. He finished tied with Jokic and won the tiebreaker by virtue of team record in October (.600 versus .571).



Big Man of the Month, season-to-date:

October: Pascal Siakam




Due to earning five Honorable Mentions in October and earning two Big Man of the Night awards as an Honorable Mention in October, the following player(s) will receive probationary addition to the nightly Top Tier Big Man listing:


Pascal Siakam (TOR)
 

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#30
11/6 Big Man update:

Anthony Davis: 19/12/4/0/1 versus Cavaliers
Nikola Vucevic: 18/12/6/0/1 versus Raptors

Both top tier bigs that played yesterday lost. No award.