Bibby to Cleveland...on again, off again, etc.
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That's all good, and I have no problem with it. But this one note: thing is that Mike Bibby's contract aslo runs out in 08-09. So the Kings can NOT free up any cap space that summer by trading him -- best they can do is break even by taking back no long termers. Only way to free up more caproom that offseason is to move Brad, Kenny, Reef or Salmons. otherwise those 4 guys alone will be earning $32.9 million by that offseason, over half of your cap. 
(where is that damn vomit smilie). In any case, whether you move Mike, or don't, if the 4 turds are still on the roster then 4 turds = $32.9 mil, Kevin = $10+mil + any other kids, low level FA we have around = $45-$50mil. The cap this year is $55mil. So no matter what we do with Ron and Mike, we will be lucky to be $10million under the cap that summer.
We just HAVE to find a way to unload some, or better yet ALL, of those long term deals in the next two years.
(where is that damn vomit smilie). In any case, whether you move Mike, or don't, if the 4 turds are still on the roster then 4 turds = $32.9 mil, Kevin = $10+mil + any other kids, low level FA we have around = $45-$50mil. The cap this year is $55mil. So no matter what we do with Ron and Mike, we will be lucky to be $10million under the cap that summer.We just HAVE to find a way to unload some, or better yet ALL, of those long term deals in the next two years.
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Here's an idea:
Sacramento outgoing:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Sacramento incoming:
Eric Snow (expiring '09)
Damon Jones (expiring '09)
Bob Sura (expiring '08)
Kirk Snyder (expiring '08)
Luther Head (young player)
2008 Rockets 1st
Houston outgoing:
Bob Sura
Kirk Snyder
Luther Head
2008 1st Rounder
Houston incoming:
Drew Gooden
Cleveland outgoing:
Drew Gooden
Eric Snow
Damon Jones
Cleveland incoming:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
This way the Kings clear Kenny's contract for the 2009 offseason, get a few extra expirings in the meantime, get a couple of young players in Snyder and Head and a 2008 pick.
Sacramento outgoing:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Sacramento incoming:
Eric Snow (expiring '09)
Damon Jones (expiring '09)
Bob Sura (expiring '08)
Kirk Snyder (expiring '08)
Luther Head (young player)
2008 Rockets 1st
Houston outgoing:
Bob Sura
Kirk Snyder
Luther Head
2008 1st Rounder
Houston incoming:
Drew Gooden
Cleveland outgoing:
Drew Gooden
Eric Snow
Damon Jones
Cleveland incoming:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
This way the Kings clear Kenny's contract for the 2009 offseason, get a few extra expirings in the meantime, get a couple of young players in Snyder and Head and a 2008 pick.
i say we just keep mike unless we get GOOD young guys like dorell wright or draft picks, he IS an expiring which is what we want.. but the thing about him is as a kings fan hes my fav player, i love watching him play... he has a sentimental value to the kings more than any other expiring would mean..
Agreed (1st post).
MayB close 2 last (post), if "grown man B.i." (Bibby) departs. I've been'a die-hard Kings fan since '01, but not sure if I can bare 2 watch ANY NBA games, out of utter disapointment w/o at least him remaining N SAC.
Just the 'thought' itself turns my stomack. No more League Pass, no more DVR'ing games. It would hurt 2 bad. Yea, I've got'a take the selfish route on this trip; even if it's best 4 him 2 leave, I want him 2 stay.
He's all I've got left.
MayB close 2 last (post), if "grown man B.i." (Bibby) departs. I've been'a die-hard Kings fan since '01, but not sure if I can bare 2 watch ANY NBA games, out of utter disapointment w/o at least him remaining N SAC.
Just the 'thought' itself turns my stomack. No more League Pass, no more DVR'ing games. It would hurt 2 bad. Yea, I've got'a take the selfish route on this trip; even if it's best 4 him 2 leave, I want him 2 stay.
He's all I've got left.
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It's a good idea, though I am not sure if Houston shall give up all their enders, Head and first rounders for Drew, particularly after picking up Scola and Butler.
Problem seems to be that the Maloofs (and quite likely Petrie too) seem determined to put a decent product on the floor (as much as the current group can be called decent). So, they are ready to go out and spend the MLE, and hold on to the vets until decent offers come by. Lot of us on the board believe that it is best to trade the vets for expirings or short term contracts, even if we get back junk. Front office obviously doesn't share that thought. So, it seems unlikely they shall give away Bibby without getting back a decent PG (no, Snow and Damon don't count) somehow (via another trade if need be).
Problem seems to be that the Maloofs (and quite likely Petrie too) seem determined to put a decent product on the floor (as much as the current group can be called decent). So, they are ready to go out and spend the MLE, and hold on to the vets until decent offers come by. Lot of us on the board believe that it is best to trade the vets for expirings or short term contracts, even if we get back junk. Front office obviously doesn't share that thought. So, it seems unlikely they shall give away Bibby without getting back a decent PG (no, Snow and Damon don't count) somehow (via another trade if need be).
Just saw this rumor of what didn't quite happen with the Cavs. Sounds plausible, but nothing like what Grant Napier was suggesting.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/312482/mike_bibby_on_the_trading_block.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/312482/mike_bibby_on_the_trading_block.html
Yeah, that was from last week. Unfortunately it's been reported that those talks have stalled completely.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21637
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21637
I think there may have been 2 different proposals floated, since one mentions Damon Jones and the other didn't, and the story I posted was supposedly 4 hours old when I posted it. But who knows, with rumors?
In any event, it seems like all sources agree that old Bibby-to-Cleveland proposals were comatose, and with the signing of Mikki (since all rumors involved Gooden), probably quite dead. I posted it mostly because I thought the part about Jackie Butler was interesting.
In any event, it seems like all sources agree that old Bibby-to-Cleveland proposals were comatose, and with the signing of Mikki (since all rumors involved Gooden), probably quite dead. I posted it mostly because I thought the part about Jackie Butler was interesting.
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Dorrell Wright is an athletic freak who has a ton of potential. He has had very limited opportunities with the Heat, but when he's been given the chance he has done well. I would definately want him included in any type of deal with Miami. His upside is just too high to not take a flyer on him. He's only 21.
His athelticism is off the charts and when the heat had to trot him out as a starter in the arly part of the season due to some injuries, the kid put up across the board numbers reminscient Gerald Wallace when he was finally uinleashed in his first year in Charlotte. Does not mean Wright will be as good, but that's the comparison. A guy who could be 15pts 7rebs 2ast 2stl 1.5blk out of the SF spot or some such. Stat stuffer. If you were going to move an Artest, be a nifty platoon with he and Cisco.
only if we do trade Artest would I consider him. Definitely not for a trade involving Bibby, unless Petrie already has it in his mind that Artest is gone, which definitely doesnt seem like the case. I didnt realize he was so athletic and ya Gerald Wallace is one of my favorite players, even when he was riding the pine I really loved his game.
Why do I get the odd feeling that our Petrie will pull off something not even discussed on KingsFans.com but that will make 72% of us happy? And no one will have a clue until it happens. He is so cool that way. But rest assured, Bibby will go back east, assuming he goes.
Somehow, with the 6 bigs we have now, 2 of those will be gone in a Bibby deal. The PF spot is still the key here. SAR/Thomas we all know are not the solution. But is Watkins? or Williams? or Mikki Moore? or even Miller? he played the 4 with Vlade quite a bit. So if a Gooden comes in, he starts at the 4. Most other trade discussions seem to bring in fodder and expirings and .......... It MUST be 5 o'clock SOMEWHERE !!!
Somehow, with the 6 bigs we have now, 2 of those will be gone in a Bibby deal. The PF spot is still the key here. SAR/Thomas we all know are not the solution. But is Watkins? or Williams? or Mikki Moore? or even Miller? he played the 4 with Vlade quite a bit. So if a Gooden comes in, he starts at the 4. Most other trade discussions seem to bring in fodder and expirings and .......... It MUST be 5 o'clock SOMEWHERE !!!
Why do I get the odd feeling that our Petrie will pull off something not even discussed on KingsFans.com but that will make 72% of us happy? And no one will have a clue until it happens. He is so cool that way. But rest assured, Bibby will go back east, assuming he goes.
Somehow, with the 6 bigs we have now, 2 of those will be gone in a Bibby deal. The PF spot is still the key here. SAR/Thomas we all know are not the solution. But is Watkins? or Williams? or Mikki Moore? or even Miller? he played the 4 with Vlade quite a bit. So if a Gooden comes in, he starts at the 4. Most other trade discussions seem to bring in fodder and expirings and .......... It MUST be 5 o'clock SOMEWHERE !!!
Somehow, with the 6 bigs we have now, 2 of those will be gone in a Bibby deal. The PF spot is still the key here. SAR/Thomas we all know are not the solution. But is Watkins? or Williams? or Mikki Moore? or even Miller? he played the 4 with Vlade quite a bit. So if a Gooden comes in, he starts at the 4. Most other trade discussions seem to bring in fodder and expirings and .......... It MUST be 5 o'clock SOMEWHERE !!!