Bibby needs to go

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And yes, this Thread will turn out to be a big issue but I think we have to agree on something Bibby is useless right now yeah he will make clutch-shots from now and then but our problem is not clutch... what we need is a playmaker right now and Bibby doesn't bring that and he certainly doesn't bring Defense which is no surprise... I have come to my conclusion that I won't be upset if the Kings ever traded Bibby and if they did it won't be the end of the world.
 
I agree 100% he is playing one on one basketball. Doesnt ever dish it out to Peja. Peja also works hard for his shots. Just watch Peja is in the constant move when he doesnt have the ball, hence moving without the ball so he earns every single pass thats thrown to him.

Trade Bibby bad player, also not a very good attitude for a leader.
 
Bibby is nails. Not many PG's are shutdown defenders. You want the best of both worlds and it doesn't happen. Name me a shutdown defender/playmaker PG.
 
thesanityannex said:
Bibby is nails. Not many PG's are shutdown defenders. You want the best of both worlds and it doesn't happen. Name me a shutdown defender/playmaker PG.
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I'm not sure if the Defense is makes me want Bibby to go it's his playmaking abilitys...

We need someone who could make players Involved... and Bibby does not have that.
 
Bibby is the only exceptional player we have on this team. He should stay.
 
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Yoda said:
Bibby is the only exception player we have on this team. He should stay.
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Until we never find a true playmaker I'm not sure if he should stay this team needs a playmaker and we have no one and Bibby is the only one who could suit the others to be Involved but the problem is he's not a playmaker ....

I'm not sure if we can allow this team to run up and down while your PG does not have the playmaking ability to make others Involved.....
 
In my eyes, if we lose Bibby, we lose possibly the last piece of the team that is holding together everything. As of now, I dont think Bibby's stock is as much as it could be, but im sure this will change over time. I have complete faith in him. But i think losing bibby is a definate no no.
 
I am not sure what makes him an exception. Thats like saying Peja is is an exception for what he did two years ago or what he did last year but if we judge him this year cant really say he is an exception. On the same hand with Bibby, what has he done this year thats been anything but average. Lets look at the last 4 games he missed two important shot at the end of the game that cost us the wins. I say we dish it out to Bonzi, he takes a better shot anyways. I like the shot the exception took last night. He had 3 seconds and he decided he needed to lob it from half court instead of using the screen miller was giving him. He has proven that he is an exceptional candidate for a trade.
 
What in the Hades is going on around here. I respect you having an opinion, because this is America. But that is it!! I am not saying that Mike Bibby is perfect, but as far as i am concerned the Kings core is Shareef, Bonzi Wells and Mike Bibby. Everybody else is expendable as far as i am concerned.

Bibby to me does not trust his teammates and he has a right to feel that way. There is not one player, outside of Wells that Bibby can depend on to play in the fourth quarter. Defensively he is what he is and we know that. But Bibby is the least of the Kings problems.
 
not a playmaker...that is a new one. sure no defense, Ill give you that, but not a playmaker?

He was a 16 ppg and 8 asssist per game guy before he came here and adapted his game to this "system". Mike Bibby is an above average playmaker in the NBA!
 
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I do not believe that any player is untouchable, nor do i believe that we can lay the fault on any ONE player. That being said, I think that if we get rid of one of the, Bibby would be my last pick to go. He is a better play maker than many are giving him credit for right now. A lot of us are on the "Bonzi Bandwagon," I, myself, have hopped on board. Unfortuantely, I do not think that he would be any better at the point. We do not have a bench player that could do it right now either. So, unless we are trading for Nash, Kidd, or even Paul, I would keep Bibby.
 
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I wouldn't call Bibby untouchable, but if we quickly get good again then we need him. Bibby (and the whole team, obviously) would be better off if there was some way for us to get a big (7'+) shotblocker in the middle. If we can get that piece, it changes everything. If we can't or don't want to, then he should be dealt.
 
D-Mass said:
I just wish Petrie would do something soon so all of these "_______ must go" threads will go away.
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU!!!!

My patience with this group has worn out just as much as everyone else, but I would prefer NOT to see the ___________ must go. Why not ___________ must come?

By the way, I do agree that changes need to be and SOON, but PLEASE Petrie do not overact like many of us and make a Big mistake.
 
And Bibby can make plays, but in this system and with this set of teammates who is he supposed to be setting up (to get the 8+ apg that would appease everyone) and how is he supposed to do it?
 
nbrans said:
^passing the ball into the post to SAR would be a start.
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The Kings gave SAR the ball in the post repeatedly yesterday, especially in the fourth, where it resulted in numerous turnovers and misses.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but you can't say we didn't try (or that it worked late in the game).
 
kukamonka said:
I agree 100% that Bibby should go. The guy doesn't want to play defense.
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It makes it worse when your PG isn't a playmaker...
 
Yoda said:
You keep saying that, but there is much evidence to the contrary.
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Don't get me wrong I like Bibby, but he's not suitable with this team as he was in the Webber and Vlade days.

Because those guys were playmakers something Bibby will never will be so it made Bibby's job alot more easier but right now 2 of those guys are not here 1 is currently playing and the other one is scouting in europe...

This team lacks playmaking alot more then it lacks bench production.
 
Smart_guy3 said:
Don't get me wrong I like Bibby, but he's not suitable with this team as he was in the Webber and Vlade days.

Because those guys were playmakers something Bibby will never will be so it made Bibby's job alot more easier but right now 2 of those guys are not here 1 is currently playing and the other one is scouting in europe...

This team lacks playmaking alot more then it lacks bench production.
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Again you keep saying he is not a playmaker, based on what?
 
Smart_guy3 said:
Based on the results...
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The results

98-99 Van 13.2 6.5
99-00 Van 14.5 8.2
00-01 Van 15.9 8.4
01-02 Sac 13.7 5.0
02-03 Sac 15.9 5.2
03-04 Sac 18.4 5.4
04-05 Sac 19.6 6.8
05-06 Sac 18.8 4.8

Playmaker results.
 
Mike can change his offense to adapt to others on the team and their needs but he can't change his height, speed or ability to stay with his man...just watch him on defese...he always leaves his man and collapses back into the paint leaving him for a wide open J. But then again, I'm not sure that he isn't instructed to do that to enhance penetration protection or increase our rebounds since he's not the only one that does it. The acquisition of a big man shot blocker means Mike can stay and the others can pick up the opposition sooner. He, SAR and Bonzi should be our core now with SAR going to SF after trading for a bigman (Nena?).
 
nbrans said:
^passing the ball into the post to SAR would be a start.
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They do plenty of that. It's one of the few set plays they do have.
That's not playmaking. You don't get an assist if you pass it to a guy who has to create his shot with a slashing move or by backing his man down. If they gave assists out for that, Kobe and Rick Fox would've averaged 8 or 9 assists a game dumping the ball into Shaq from 99-02. He made plenty of post entry passes to Shareef last night and Shareef scored a whole bunch of points, but I don't see a ton of assists on Bibby's line in the boxscore and I don't see a thread about how great Bibby was at making plays by passing the ball into the post.
 
Kev.in said:
They do plenty of that. It's one of the few set plays they do have.
That's not playmaking. You don't get an assist if you pass it to a guy who has to create his shot with a slashing move or by backing his man down. If they gave assists out for that, Kobe and Rick Fox would've averaged 8 or 9 assists a game dumping the ball into Shaq from 99-02. He made plenty of post entry passes to Shareef last night and Shareef scored a whole bunch of points, but I don't see a ton of assists on Bibby's line in the boxscore and I don't see a thread about how great Bibby was at making plays by passing the ball into the post.
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I wasn't referring necessariliy to getting assists specifically, but more about setting people up in general.

Bibby is a lot slower than he used to be, and I think his options when it comes to the offense are really limited. He's mostly given up on penetration, he does a lot more aimless dribbling and forcing shots. I really don't care about his assists numbers as long as the offense is flowing, but I don't know that he has a playmaking reservoir that he's not tapping into -- if he does now would be a good time to start.
 
Yoda said:
The results

98-99 Van 13.2 6.5
99-00 Van 14.5 8.2
00-01 Van 15.9 8.4
01-02 Sac 13.7 5.0
02-03 Sac 15.9 5.2
03-04 Sac 18.4 5.4
04-05 Sac 19.6 6.8
05-06 Sac 18.8 4.8

Playmaker results.
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how many wins total in those 2 seasons ? Rest my case
 
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