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[tyrant]

In general I agree, and it IS worth noting that this draft is a little top heavy in the PG department, but I still take the bird in the hand posiion when a 26 year old guy is playing this well and the team has so many other needs. It may not be possible o keep Beno but I would have to try everything to make it happe even if I DID draft a great PG (we still need a good back up anyway)

VF21 said she can run the point as well as Quincy

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Lakers
Clippers
Portland
Seattle
Houston
Denver (and A.I. to the 2)
Minnesota
Miami
Boston
New York
Cleveland
Charlotte (since they seem to want Felton at the 2)
Orlando

Some things that work for us:
Boston is at 74 Million + and they seem to be dedicated to Rondo
Cleveland is going to be at 80 Million + and only 8 players
The Clippers are well the Clippers, who knows what they are going to do and who would want to play for them
Denver is at 76 Million + and only 8 players
Lakers is at 75 Million + and already have Fisher and Farmer next season
Minnesota will probably want to go another before making a splash in Free Agency
New York is at 90 Million +
Orlando is at 60 Million + and Jameer Neslon is starting is 5 year deal
Portland is at 72 Million + and already paying 3 PGs (Blake, Jack, Sergio)



Miami could be a player if Shawn Marion opts out. Which he probably will.
Seattle could also be a player but they are paying 13 million for Ridnour+Watson
Houston could be a player but they do have Alson, Bobby, Brooks and Head already at that position and they also only have the MLE.
Charlotte could also be a player, but who knows if Beno would want to play for them.

So I think we have a good shot at keeping him, hopefully this MLE signing is better than the last three.

 

[piksi]

S
New York is at 90 Million +

which means ???

 

[tyrant]

which means ???

a ton of overpaid players already

 

[CruzDude]

As impressive as his point production was against the Lakers, his 10 assists were just as important. Plus his assist count has been steadily increasing, except for those nights the rest of the team doesn't show. Even on those nights he has been virtually the only productive player.

No argument, we keep Beno. Coming draft rather heavy with PG's this year and Douby is a scorer first, a defender second and a distributor/true PG last. AJ is not making it so a true PG is needed as a backup. With Beno on board Kings can look at the 3-4-5 situation first in the draft and via trade. Plus there are a number of backup PG's out there now.

 

[Spike]

VF21 said she can run the point as well as Quincy

And neither should be running the fast break.

 

[bajaden]

a few months isnt enough time. and personally i wouldnt want a starter that couldnt produce just as well coming off the bench. it just doesnt say much about your game. he's a good guy, but if i were gm i would pay the minimum. if its not enough let him go and start quincy. he's younger, he can play.

Tyrant, Respectfully, you don't know what your talking about.

 

[bajaden]

You have to hope the MLE is enough, but there's no guarantee of that. Problem is that every team can offer that MLE, and while I would like to think he has goodwill towards us for taking the chance on him, its been a chaotic year and we are a long way from contention. If an elite team like the Lakers or Boston or Houston or Cleveland or somebody comes and maxes out the MLE with the promise of a strating job and a deep playoff push + shot at a title (or even a Dallas or Phoenix promising him the job as heir apparent to their aging points) it could get dicey. We can offer the extra year, but all the perks will be on the other side.

Personally, I go that extra mile and exceed the MLE...by a little. I like Beno a lot, and think he might actually be the leader this team has lacked. The real leader. Not based on stats or woofing. But while I would do it, there is a risk there.

I agree there's always that chance someone will come up with an offer he can't refuse. I also agree that we should do everything we can within reason to resign him. I'm not sure of the economics of where the Kings will be at the end of the year. Whether we'll be enough under the cap to actualy offer him more than the MLE, which I think will be close to 6 mil next year.

Lets hope he feels some loyalty to the Kings and accepts what they offer.

 

[Superman]

Personally, I go that extra mile and exceed the MLE...by a little. I like Beno a lot, and think he might actually be the leader this team has lacked. The real leader. Not based on stats or woofing. But while I would do it, there is a risk there.

I don't totally understand the new rules of the CBA with regards to unrestricted free agents and Bird rights. Perhaps you or someone else can explain this to me.

It used to be that you couldn't offer a player like Beno (we don't have his Bird rights because he hasn't been under contract for at least three years) anything more than the MLE if you're over the cap. If you're under the cap, you could offer him the same six year deal that any other team could (five years under the new CBA). This is why Gilbert Arenas and Carlos Boozer left the teams that drafted them.

I guess it may be different for Beno because he's a first round pick and Arenas and Boozer were second round picks, but we still don't have his Bird rights. Again, I don't understand the new rules, and maybe Bird rights don't even matter anymore in this situation

My question is, how can we, over the cap and all, offer Beno more than the MLE?

 

[Kingster]

sorry, i think underpaying is just as bad of a gamble as overpaying. think of the owners that are habitual penny pinchers; they NEVER win. Clippers only started winning when the owner started spending on players. Mind you, it has to be smart spending, but if you make underpaying a habit, agents, players, will not want to deal with you.

the long term health of a franchise relies on multiyear contracts, max contracts, just as much as getting that one guy who ends up being a bargain. but unless its the last contract he signs, or unless you dont want him anymore, sooner or later, market value will come up, and THEN what do you do?

I think I should say that Petrie should underpay according to Petrie's benchmark. If Petrie is thinking he should pay Beno "X", then probably he should take 20% off that number to be at the market.

 

[AriesMar27]

but beno was waived by the twolves.... he would be a ufa... he can go where ever he wants if im not mistaken... i hope that we draft a pg but i have no problems with keeping beno... though there really arent any pf in the draft that i would want at our position.... dont need any young slow players.... dont want any slow players period, we have enough of those already...

 

['89 Kings Fan]

which means ???

I am assuming that Dolan is going to put a stop to Isiah signing MLE players. I also figure no one would want to walk into that mess if they had better offers.

 

[reid1boys]

The Kings better find a way to keep Beno. No way in hel. that we find a PG in the draft that can play like him as a 1-2 year PG. The guy puts constant pressure on the defense, is not afraid to take the shot, distributes well and appears to be a total team player with that great attitude all of you so desperately want.

You better keep him, some way, some how.

Quincy running the point? I guess you want to try for that Lotto pick next year also

 

[LPKingsFan]

I don't totally understand the new rules of the CBA with regards to unrestricted free agents and Bird rights. Perhaps you or someone else can explain this to me.

It used to be that you couldn't offer a player like Beno (we don't have his Bird rights because he hasn't been under contract for at least three years) anything more than the MLE if you're over the cap. If you're under the cap, you could offer him the same six year deal that any other team could (five years under the new CBA). This is why Gilbert Arenas and Carlos Boozer left the teams that drafted them.

I guess it may be different for Beno because he's a first round pick and Arenas and Boozer were second round picks, but we still don't have his Bird rights. Again, I don't understand the new rules, and maybe Bird rights don't even matter anymore in this situation

My question is, how can we, over the cap and all, offer Beno more than the MLE?

I have that question as well. As far as I understand, we can't.

 

[Gary]

I say give Beno a Bobby Jackson type contract. 5 years, and 35mil which grows each year, and starts at about 6mil.

 

[kings20993]

I say give Beno a Bobby Jackson type contract. 5 years, and 35mil which grows each year, and starts at about 6mil.

i agree with that

 

[Showtime]

I can name over a dozen teams off the top of my head that could easily look to Beno as a possible starter, some of them elite teams:

Lakers

Farmar is their big guard prospect, and I highly doubt that since they signed Fish, and are trying to develop Farmar, that they not only offer the MLE for Beno, but even that he would get significant playing time, especially when he has the starting spot in Sac.

Clippers

They will have cleared cap space next season, but Brand may opt out. Why would Beno sign with them? Brand could leave, and even if he doesn't, there's no telling how he and Livingston will play.

Portland

Portland has a bright future, but are unproven and Beno might not want to come off the bench in Portland when he could be a backup on better teams.

Seattle

I don't think any free agent will want to join that mess.

Houston

It might be a strong contender for Beno. They have the space, and the talent to draw him there.

Denver (and A.I. to the 2)

76 mil being paid next year, and all of that possibly for a team that doesn't make the playoffs. If they fail this season, I don't see the nuggets looking to add more salary, but rather dump some by possibly moving players.

Minnesota

Go to the team that cut him? A team that already has Foye and Telfair? No.

Miami

This would be another team that would probably heavily pursue Beno. They don't have anything going on there other than the prospect of living near south beach though.

Boston

Rondo has shown improvement, and Beno would be competing for a starting spot. If Beno wants to win a chip comming off the bench, then he probably would go there.

New York

Another Seattle situation. Why the hell would he choose to go there?

Cleveland

They just took on two huge contracts in Ben Wallace and Wally, and will only have 8, possibly 9 players under contract and still be paying 75 million in salary. I think their interest in Beno depends on how they perform in the playoffs this year. If Lebron says he wants more help, and the owners are willing to pay up, then I think they will make him an offer.

Charlotte (since they seem to want Felton at the 2)

What makes that team more attractive then the kings?

Orlando

Nelson has a big contract, and I don't know if Beno will want to come off the bench with that team. Like Boston, if he feels he can win a chip, then I can see him comming off the bench.

And I mean, that was just off the top of my head. And it doesn't mean that all of those teams would offer, or that Beno is clearly ahead of what those teams have in every case -- but in every case he's right there and if they are unhappy with what they've got, a young guy who has averaged 15 and 5 as a starter this year might have a real attraction at MLE numbers. That's before we get to the Dallas and Phoenix situations where they need an heir to the current aging guys.

I can only see 3 or 4 realistic destinations other than Sacramento on that list.

The problem is that many of those teams offer things along with the money that we cannot -- winning, big cities, HOF players or coaches etc. So we may have to overpay to counter that and "show" Beno's agent how much we love him.

Beno knows "how much we love him." He made a comment recently about how the Kings are the team that gave him a chance, and how he won't forget that. Also, the extra things that some of these teams can offer like superstar franchise players, HOF coaches, and bigger and better locals might not be what interests Beno. We don't know what Beno wants. He may be the type of player who would rather start on a losing team then win a chip playing 10 minutes a game.

 

[Entity]

I guess you could look at what other PG's with the same talent around the league make and maybe draw a comparison from that.

 

[DirtyAcres]

VF21 said she can run the point as well as Quincy

rofl x 100

 

[Spike]

We don't know what Beno wants. He may be the type of player who would rather start on a losing team then win a chip playing 10 minutes a game.

Ahem. One small nit. A rebuilding team.

 

[tyrant]

Tyrant, Respectfully, you don't know what your talking about.

seems like others think we shouldnt pay beno the high dollars either. and everyone is talking about let the kids play. i think we should let quincy play. why not? he's shown flashes of a good guard. nothing wrong with trying. im sure we're all sick of these overpaid kings players. thomas is still making 7 million.

 

[Warhawk]

seems like others think we shouldnt pay beno the high dollars either. and everyone is talking about let the kids play. i think we should let quincy play. why not? he's shown flashes of a good guard. nothing wrong with trying. im sure we're all sick of these overpaid kings players. thomas is still making 7 million.

The MLE for someone of Beno's skills (who isn't a headcase) is not "high dollars". You pay it and are happy doing so.

QD is not and will never be a "typical" point guard. He's better as a 2.

Thomas isn't as talented and doesn't make the team better. Beno does. If you can't see that....

 

[tyrant]

some people here wanted him to get more than the mle. because they dont want beno to go anywhere else. i wish we could give him kenny thomas' money

 

[Warhawk]

some people here wanted him to get more than the mle. because they dont want beno to go anywhere else. i wish we could give him kenny thomas' money

I'd give him a little more than the MLE to convince him to stay. I'm not talking Kevin Martin money, but maybe closer to KT money (say, $6 mil or so - not sure exactly where the MLE is right now - maybe 5?).

Speaking of KT, exactly how would you "give him kenny thomas' money"? What do you mean by that?

 

[tyrant]

take him into the forest; threaten to yank his teeth out if he doesnt sign over his checks to someone who actually deserves them.

 

[Rockmeister]

but if i were gm i would pay the minimum.

I'm sooo glad you aren't the GM, otherwise we all would be in trouble.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

take him into the forest; threaten to yank his teeth out if he doesnt sign over his checks to someone who actually deserves them.

Isnt that what Ron did with Bonzi a couple years ago??

 

[tyrant]

if i were gm, i wouldnt of traded webber and i wouldnt of traded bibby. i wouldve kept the core and wouldve kept the winning alive. towards the end of the contract i wouldve found a replacement for webber and wouldve made some minor changes dealing with the others excluding mike bibby. because he is still young and still good. i think this wouldve been webbers final year as a king, but we had to give him away and now we're stuck paying kenny thomas 7 million until the year 2020. i would be much smarter than our gm and owners. we've been mix&matching so many lineups. like pairs of socks. 3 different coaches in the past 2 years. we shouldve kept adelman. the maloofs are really fouling it up and this city wont even have a team in 2 years.

 

[Spike]

if i were gm, i wouldnt of traded webber and i wouldnt of traded bibby. i wouldve kept the core and wouldve kept the winning alive. towards the end of the contract i wouldve found a replacement for webber and wouldve made some minor changes dealing with the others excluding mike bibby. because he is still young and still good. i think this wouldve been webbers final year as a king, but we had to give him away and now we're stuck paying kenny thomas 7 million until the year 2020. i would be much smarter than our gm and owners. we've been mix&matching so many lineups. like pairs of socks. 3 different coaches in the past 2 years. we shouldve kept adelman. the maloofs are really fouling it up and this city wont even have a team in 2 years.

 

[tyrant]

we can just batter it up and toss it into the burning skillet of tyrant rants