Beno Enough With The Turnovers.

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What a crappy signing.

 

[CruzDude]

Considering at the time what was available it is a really good deal to get Beno.

Keep in mind that to get assists, the players being passed to have to shoot with max of one or two dribbles. Spot up shooters: Peja for example. Kevin is the best at quick spot-up shooting when getting a kick-out. Brad and Spencer can shoot from a dish just they are slower. The rest are ball pounders that eliminate assists when they get the ball.

I love Beno's size and fearlessness and his abilities. But now he needs help from the team to spot up and shoot or finish to the bucket and not dribbling around more. His TO's are an issue but it is correctable. Some is his own work to cut down seemingly dumm passes or steals in traffic and the rest is team mates not leaving him out to dry when he drives.

Again considering what is out there PG wise and how low the Kings would be on any decent PGs list we are doing just fine.

 

[Jer]

Beno is not garbage. Your post is garbage. Some of his TOs have been rather atrocious, granted, but these are correctable mistakes.

Surround him with better talent, put more ballhandlers on the court, esp. Cisco @ 30-35 minutes a game, bring back K-Mart, and with another 10-20 games under his belt with the current unit, these TO woes will take care of themselves.

He's not a 5:1 assist to TO guy like a CP3, but he's not near as bad as we have seen.

Apparently having a contrary opinion makes my posting garbage; thanks for pointing that out.

Your points would be valid if Beno was a fresh pickup and not used to running this team's offense, but he's been our starting guard for some time now. He played 65 games last season, averaging 4.3 assists to 2.3 turnovers last season (second to last in the league among all qualified PGs, ahead of only Jarrett Jack).

These are bad numbers, and they haven't improved. I put emphasis on a playmaking statistic like AST/TO ratio because that's the kind of player this team needs right now: A qualified distributor who can minimize turnovers, one of our team's weaknesses. Beno is offensively talented, but we don't need scoring from his position as much as we need positive leadership and playmaking.

Whatever, though. Feel free to post more about how our team needs more talent for him to be successful (despite how PGs like Earl Watson on terrible teams like OKC and Memphis earn better marks), or that he needs a stable lineup (despite how he had a relatively stable, more talented lineup last year and produced similar numbers).

He just isn't what the team needs from our starting PG.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Apparently having a contrary opinion makes my posting garbage; thanks for pointing that out.

Your points would be valid if Beno was a fresh pickup and not used to running this team's offense, but he's been our starting guard for some time now. He played 65 games last season, averaging 4.3 assists to 2.3 turnovers last season (second to last in the league among all qualified PGs, ahead of only Jarrett Jack).

These are bad numbers, and they haven't improved. I put emphasis on a playmaking statistic like AST/TO ratio because that's the kind of player this team needs right now: A qualified distributor who can minimize turnovers, one of our team's weaknesses. Beno is offensively talented, but we don't need scoring from his position as much as we need positive leadership and playmaking.

Whatever, though. Feel free to post more about how our team needs more talent for him to be successful (despite how PGs like Earl Watson on terrible teams like OKC and Memphis earn better marks), or that he needs a stable lineup (despite how he had a relatively stable, more talented lineup last year and produced similar numbers).

He just isn't what the team needs from our starting PG.

I don't want to get in between you two, so I'll say you both made valid points. Todays Bee had a similar topic, and Reggie was quoted as saying that 80 percent of the offense goes thru Miller or Hawes at the hi post. And I believe it said the Steve Nash has a hire turnover per game aver. than Beno.

So, lets agree that our PG can't get as many assists as some of the other top PG"s because we run the HI Post Offense. And, Beno needs to cut back on some of his turnovers caused by lack of concentration.

Now if you really want to start a discussion, lets talk defense.

 

[Jer]

I don't want to get in between you two, so I'll say you both made valid points. Todays Bee had a similar topic, and Reggie was quoted as saying that 80 percent of the offense goes thru Miller or Hawes at the hi post. And I believe it said the Steve Nash has a hire turnover per game aver. than Beno.

So, lets agree that our PG can't get as many assists as some of the other top PG"s because we run the HI Post Offense. And, Beno needs to cut back on some of his turnovers caused by lack of concentration.

Now if you really want to start a discussion, lets talk defense.

Nash also produces a lot more assists, which is why the AST/TO ratio is used.

Beno's lack of assists is understandable because of the type of offense we run, but there really isn't any excuse for how often he turns the ball over. Here's the article.

 

[fnordius]

Nash also produces a lot more assists, which is why the AST/TO ratio is used.

Yeah... the Nash TO thing is a total red herring. That's like saying that Dwyane Wade misses about 50% more shots than John Salmons. Well, sure, Wade attempts 50% more, and hits 50% more too. It's just irrelevant.

Over the last few years, Nash has averaged 10.37 assists and 3.71 TO, an A/TO ratio of 2.8. Beno has averaged 3.73 assists and 2.0 TO, for a ratio of 1.87.

 

[bajaden]

Nash also produces a lot more assists, which is why the AST/TO ratio is used.

Beno's lack of assists is understandable because of the type of offense we run, but there really isn't any excuse for how often he turns the ball over. Here's the article.

I was going to point out that the situation you play in does matter when it comes to assists. In Mike Bibby's first three years in the league with the Grizzleys, he averaged 6.5, 8.1, and 8.4 assists per game. After he was traded to the Kings, he only averaged over 6 assists one time and usually was around 5 assists per game. Now with the Hawks he back over 6 assists per game again.

So my complaint with Beno isn't the assists totals, its the turnovers, and mostly the amount of unforced turnovers thats disturbing. I would love Reggie to stick with the same rotation, barring trades, that he used in the Laker game for the rest of the year. Familiarity usually helps aquire sucess.

I don't think aquiring Beno affects our rebuild that much. At worst he ends up being our backup pt guard or is traded to a team more desperate than ourselves. At best he settles down and becomes a solid pt guard and a key part of the rebuild.

 

[CruzDude]

I'm confused. PHX doesn't run a high post offense, they try when Shaq is in there but it doesn't work well. Amare is the PF and scorer not the distributor. Nash makes more AST (no high post offense so makes sense) but makes more TO's. OK! So?

Beno has a high post offense to deal with using Brad or Hawes so his AST opps are going to be lower when they or either of them are in. Otherwise, lot of similarities Nash/Beno really. Both drive well, both are fearless and both are 6-3 whereas Beno probably has 10-20 lb on Nash.

So explain the problem again. I don't follow you two guys and your opposite views. And remember, PG is the hardest position to play and takes all the top PGs a number of years to get up to their peaks. So Beno with a part year and no training camp last year and now 20 games into a full year is WAY to early to be critical considering the surrounding players and team play, or lack thereof.

 

[CruzDude]

OK Beno haters. vs Lakers in LA: 17 pts, 7 ast and only 1 TO!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like really great PG stats. His game was B+ maybe even A- as well.

 

[PurpleHaze]

OK Beno haters. vs Lakers in LA: 17 pts, 7 ast and only 1 TO!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like really great PG stats. His game was B+ maybe even A- as well.

...and just like Kings home court victory over Lakers - Beno outplayed Fisher AGAIN on both ends of the court. Fisher tonight: 11 pts, 3 ast.

 

[CWebb85]

Beno played really great. I feel like he can score easily, but has to be under control because of the so called "offense" that "coach" Theus wants. I just feel like we need to spread the offense and play the game through our young bigs like Thompson and Hawes in the post, and dish out when help is needed. Beno can easily penetrate any defense and dish when he feels like it. Just need an offense gameplan that needs to be implemented.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Its unfortunate that his one and only turnover came at one of the worst times.

 

[Bricklayer]

...and just like Kings home court victory over Lakers - Beno outplayed Fisher AGAIN on both ends of the court. Fisher tonight: 11 pts, 3 ast.

Um, not a particular Beno basher, but proudly announcing your man has outplayed Derek Fisher is...well, a sign that he needs something more to be proud of.

 

[Heuge]

Um, not a particular Beno basher, but proudly announcing your man has outplayed Derek Fisher is...well, a sign that he needs something more to be proud of.

well, and he kicked the ball to Odumb and missed to FT when it really mattered. I would have wanted Fischer tonight.

 

[mac]

What annoys me is Beno regularly has these passes where he just passes to nobody. It's like he sees a sixth man on the court somewhere and just throws the ball out of bounds

 

[ZZ-TOP]

well, and he kicked the ball to Odumb and missed to FT when it really mattered. I would have wanted Fischer tonight.

OK, you are a hater, we got that...but to come out after a night when he had one, ONE, 1 TO is...how to put it gently...STUPID!