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Versatile former 76er welcomes deal with Kings after renouncing sign - and - trade with Raptors

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Published 12:01 am PDT Wednesday, July 26, 2006

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14281924p-15089950c.html

John Salmons spent much of the past week in a haze, his self-induced drama causing so much stress and restlessness.

That is, of course, until Monday night, when the 26-year-old formerly of the Philadelphia 76ers couldn't sleep for a whole different reason. The mental fatigue that came with reneging on a sign-and-trade deal with Toronto days before segued into the excitement of joining the Kings, who plan to use the 6-foot-6 Salmons as a point guard, shooting guard and small forward. Tuesday, Salmons said the Kings truly were the answer to his prayers, the saviors of a situation gone wrong when he had rejected the Raptors.

"I just didn't feel like (Toronto) was where God wanted me to be at," said Salmons, who is entering his fifth season and signed for five years and $25.5 million. "I was going on faith, but (his agent, Joel Bell) was like, Man, What are you doing? You can't do this. … When (the Kings) called, it was like God showed up, and it was a great thing."

But the "all's well that ends well" adage applies only to Salmons and certainly not to free-agent shooting guard Bonzi Wells. For nearly two weeks, Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie reserved his focus and his money for Wells. But Wells reportedly turned down a five-year, $36 million offer from the Kings, and most of the money eventually found its way to Salmons. The newest King said he turned down Toronto with "nothing (else) on the table," a move his friends, family and colleagues questioned. Bell did not return a call for comment.

"Those couple days were stressful," Salmons said. "It was out that I was going to sign with Toronto. … A couple days later, everybody found out I turned the trade down. People were thinking I was crazy, like, What are you doing? I didn't really know where I was headed or what was going to happen. Then Sacramento showed up."

Petrie said Monday that he had discussed the possibility of signing Salmons if Wells didn't return "early on" in the process, and it was re-addressed when it appeared Salmons was not Toronto-bound. Despite Salmons' limited production in his four years (5.1 points, 2.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists per game), his versatility, youth and potential attracted the Kings, who were unable to land a veteran point guard to spell starter Mike Bibby.

"We envision when he's at the point that he will have the ability to post up other point guards who are sometimes 4 to 5 inches smaller," Kings coach Eric Musselman said. "And we envision that if we move him over to (small forward), he can be isolated and beat people off the dribble. … It's very unique to find a player who can play (three positions) not only offensively, but he can do it defensively, too."

What's more, Salmons said his separation from seven-time All-Star Allen Iverson will show his true capability. Musselman agreed, noting that Salmons' scoring rose dramatically whenever he played without Iverson on the floor.

"The situation in Philly was a difficult situation, just because when you've got one of the best scorers to ever play the game, it's hard not to give him the ball," Salmons said. "(Iverson) is a tremendous player -- pound for pound one of the best players to ever play the game. … But sometimes people just don't play well together. It was just one of those situations where two people didn't play well together on the court, and we just had to go our separate ways."

While Wells' agent, William Phillips, has said he and the Kings will discuss sign-and-trade options, the notion is unlikely if the Kings are to stay under the luxury tax threshold of $65.42 million. They are above $60 million in salary and have said repeatedly that they would rather stay under the tax, which adds an extra dollar for every dollar spent above the threshold.

Salmons' signing didn't end well for the 76ers, either. They received nothing in return after he turned down the Raptors' five-year, $23 million offer, which would have given Philadelphia a second-round draft choice and a $2 million trade exception.

The Kings, meanwhile, might be on the lookout for a big man on the relative cheap. They have $800,000 remaining from their mid-level exception and a separate exception worth $1.75 million.
Monia is gone -- The Kings requested waivers on small forward Sergei Monia, who decided to play in Europe. The 23-year-old came to Sacramento from Portland in a Feb. 23 trade and played in only three games. His departure will clear about $1 million off the Kings' books.

82

Games played by John Salmons with Philadelphia last season. The 26-year-old is nothing if not durable. Bonzi Wells missed 30 games.

$25.5 million

The amount of Salmons' five-year contract, and $2.5 million more than he turned down after committing to a sign-and-trade with Toronto. The Kings reportedly offered Wells $36 million over five years.

3

Number of positions Salmons can play. His versatility was attractive to the Kings, who plan to use him as a point guard, shooting guard and small forward.
 
Even though a sign and trade is out of the question, many websites keep reporting that Wells and his agent are looking for one.
 
Even though a sign and trade is out of the question, many websites keep reporting that Wells and his agent are looking for one.

It would be nice to get someone, and when I say someone, I mean a big 4/5 rebounding, shot blocking, defensive monster. :D
While teams might not be too thrilled to pay Bonzi $9-10M/yr, they could be tempted maybe to trade one of their big guys that is sitting around. The Jeff Foster/Jackson deal would have been a lot nicer than just having Bonzi walk. Also I wouldn't mind having Eric Dampier and he has worked well with our new coach.

We definately need to make some more moves before the season starts, especially now since Bonzi is not in a Kings uniform and he provided us with some good rebounding at the 2 position. Also since our other rebounding comes from our 6' 7" PF KT we know we are in deep trouble if we don't fix this in the offseason.

Things will not just iron themselves out, you need the tools to do the job and then can mold them, but you physically have to be a 6' 9" or taller let's say to have a good chance at being a good rebounder as well as boxing out, being aggressive etc. We have 1 7 footer in Brad that plays smaller and that's about it, SAR might get some especially now that he hopefully is working hard in the offseason to put back on the muscle he lost last season with the broken jaw. We cannot hinge the season on Justin Williams being the answer although he might in the future, big guys take a awhile to develop and we need 1-2 right now. Geoff get on that will you? ;)
 
Chemistry might be an issue again if we do more trades. Teams like the Spurs and Detroit (and miami towards the end) have great chemistry and that helps a lot more than you'd think.
 
Chemistry might be an issue again if we do more trades. Teams like the Spurs and Detroit (and miami towards the end) have great chemistry and that helps a lot more than you'd think.

The only issue with our team chemistry right now is KT. I don't see any other problems.
 
Even though a sign and trade is out of the question, many websites keep reporting that Wells and his agent are looking for one.

They can report it all they want. They can also report aliens from the planet BIZARROWORLD landing on the front yard of the White House. Both are about equal in possibility.

Wells and especially his agent made a fatal mistake. They made the big "ALL IN" gesture without making sure they had the best hand. And now, they're walking away from the table with empty pockets and an eternity to live it all over in their minds and try to get it to turn out differently. I've got a news flash for them: Much like game 7 of the 2002 WCF, it doesn't matter how many times you watch. The ending never changes.
 
funny how this is a "fatal mistake" to bonzi and his agent and to someone like me i'd be doing backflips all over the place for a chance to play basketball for the money of an MLE.

oh well, back to my nine to six.
 
They can report it all they want. They can also report aliens from the planet BIZARROWORLD landing on the front yard of the White House. Both are about equal in possibility.

Wells and especially his agent made a fatal mistake. They made the big "ALL IN" gesture without making sure they had the best hand. And now, they're walking away from the table with empty pockets and an eternity to live it all over in their minds and try to get it to turn out differently. I've got a news flash for them: Much like game 7 of the 2002 WCF, it doesn't matter how many times you watch. The ending never changes.

Bizarroworld or not, you just keep playing with that ouije board ;)
 
I'm sure Salmons is stoked, he just signed a big deal with us 5 yr/25.5M after turning down 22M & 23M deals with Phoenix and Toronto and then we came in and snatched him up, kind of how we did last offseason with SAR after he failed the physical with NJ.

The signing of Salmons looks a little like we are going to try shopping Garcia with KT and our other "moveable pieces" for what we really need and you guys all know what that is. :rolleyes:
 
Another swingman!

Yes Salmons is another swingman which we have plenty of now 1-3 except for our major deficiency at 4/5. I think we all would be very dissappointed if we went into the season how we are looking now. I don't care if that means going over the cap, luxury tax, whatever. We spent $5M a year for Salmons when we have Garcia who can play 1-3 and Douby that should be able to play 1-2. We need 1-2 big guys off the bench or starting and don't have it.

Come on Maloffs, since you are spending so much $ on the new arena, if it gets passed the ballot, why cannot you keep those wallets open to get us a good team and address our needs instead of hand cuffing Geoff from making the deals that need to be made. I'm tired of this tight wad mentality. We learned a hard lesson with paying Webber too much, but we need to pay market value to keep guys like Bonzi. Stop out FAs from walking, please make them Kings for life. If Ron leaves then the heck with it all. We have to make him a King for life, he is our franchise player now that Webber is gone.
 
Jumping out on a limb here, but there might have been something to that injury that Garcia substained. I loved Garcia's game when he got a chance to play, and for a while he seemed to finally work out of his slump. I think that he might be part of a package though. I am sure we will make at least one trade this off season.
 
Good stuff about Salmons, and as expected the stuff with AI and his oppurtunity there, came into play.

I like this:
The Kings, meanwhile, might be on the lookout for a big man on the relative cheap. They have $800,000 remaining from their mid-level exception and a separate exception worth $1.75 million.

But, I don't think that'd be our only thing for bigs, since there are still trades and have been mentioned several times.

Hopefully we could get someone like Wright/Cato/Kandi/Aaron Williams/Voshkul with that money. Cato and Wright are probably a stretch. Wright or Cato for 1.7 million would be quite nice.
 
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Good stuff about Salmons, and as expected the stuff with AI and his oppurtunity there, came into play.

I like this:

But, I don't think that'd be our only thing for bigs, since there are still trades and have been mentioned several times.

Hopefully we could get someone like Wright/Cato/Kandi/Aaron Williams/Voshkul with that money. Cato and Wright are probably a stretch. Wright or Cato for 1.7 million would be quite nice.

Can you combine the $800,000 and the 1.75 million?
 
Pretty sure you can not. Otherwise you'd see teams combine them every year to go higher than the MLE.

It's kind of hard to do much with that except maybe get a guy that is near retirement off the bench that is 1/2 alive and/or a young kid like JW, LA, or Pooh that are undrafted guys trying to make it into the NBA who would take the $800K or something. What's the minimum NBA salary again? Sure beats anything we peasants could make in a year working 9 to 5 right? :D
 
It's kind of hard to do much with that except maybe get a guy that is near retirement off the bench that is 1/2 alive and/or a young kid like JW, LA, or Pooh that are undrafted guys trying to make it into the NBA who would take the $800K or something. What's the minimum NBA salary again? Sure beats anything we peasants could make in a year working 9 to 5 right? :D
That is NOT a nice thing to say about Bo Outlaw or Scott Pollard ;)
 
Good stuff about Salmons, and as expected the stuff with AI and his oppurtunity there, came into play.

I like this:

But, I don't think that'd be our only thing for bigs, since there are still trades and have been mentioned several times.

Hopefully we could get someone like Wright/Cato/Kandi/Aaron Williams/Voshkul with that money. Cato and Wright are probably a stretch. Wright or Cato for 1.7 million would be quite nice.

A week or so ago I remember hearing that Wright could end up in Minnesota. Being that they've used their MLE on James, I would imagine they'd be signing him under the LLE. Don't think we can combine what's left of our MLE and the LLE, but we should definitely try for Cato or Wright with what we have left. Kandi a distant third.
 
It would be nice to get someone, and when I say someone, I mean a big 4/5 rebounding, shot blocking, defensive monster. :D
While teams might not be too thrilled to pay Bonzi $9-10M/yr, they could be tempted maybe to trade one of their big guys that is sitting around. The Jeff Foster/Jackson deal would have been a lot nicer than just having Bonzi walk. Also I wouldn't mind having Eric Dampier and he has worked well with our new coach.

We definately need to make some more moves before the season starts, especially now since Bonzi is not in a Kings uniform and he provided us with some good rebounding at the 2 position. Also since our other rebounding comes from our 6' 7" PF KT we know we are in deep trouble if we don't fix this in the offseason.

Things will not just iron themselves out, you need the tools to do the job and then can mold them, but you physically have to be a 6' 9" or taller let's say to have a good chance at being a good rebounder as well as boxing out, being aggressive etc. We have 1 7 footer in Brad that plays smaller and that's about it, SAR might get some especially now that he hopefully is working hard in the offseason to put back on the muscle he lost last season with the broken jaw. We cannot hinge the season on Justin Williams being the answer although he might in the future, big guys take a awhile to develop and we need 1-2 right now. Geoff get on that will you? ;)

I have to disagree with that last statement a little bit. Barkley was a very good rebounder and was barely 6'5". Adrian Dantley was about 6'6" and was a great rebounder. Rodman was around 6'7". So you don't have to be tall, but I agree that you do have to have the rest of the tools.

I read an article about Rodman once, and he said he used to watch tape of all the players he would play against and see which way the ball bounced the most when they missed, and then start moving toward that spot when they shot. It was no accident that he happened to be in the right spot a lot.

Read an article this morning in the Bucks local rag. They said they had about 3 teams they were talking to about Maglorie. Their GM said their needs were a back-up point, a small forward and possibly a back-up center. Yes I know that Maglorie is a center, but not a back-up center. Interesting, when you know the Kings just signed Salmon who appears to be a clone of of Cisco. Food for thought....
 
A week or so ago I remember hearing that Wright could end up in Minnesota. Being that they've used their MLE on James, I would imagine they'd be signing him under the LLE. Don't think we can combine what's left of our MLE and the LLE, but we should definitely try for Cato or Wright with what we have left. Kandi a distant third.


Indeed, I read about Minny as well. Agreed on Cato/Wright/Kandi.
 
I have to disagree with that last statement a little bit. Barkley was a very good rebounder and was barely 6'5". Adrian Dantley was about 6'6" and was a great rebounder. Rodman was around 6'7". So you don't have to be tall, but I agree that you do have to have the rest of the tools.

I read an article about Rodman once, and he said he used to watch tape of all the players he would play against and see which way the ball bounced the most when they missed, and then start moving toward that spot when they shot. It was no accident that he happened to be in the right spot a lot.

Read an article this morning in the Bucks local rag. They said they had about 3 teams they were talking to about Maglorie. Their GM said their needs were a back-up point, a small forward and possibly a back-up center. Yes I know that Maglorie is a center, but not a back-up center. Interesting, when you know the Kings just signed Salmon who appears to be a clone of of Cisco. Food for thought....

Being tall helps, but being aggresive also has a lot to do with it...look at what Bonzi did being aggresive and taking it to the Spurs in the playoffs.

I saw Rodman 1st hand when I lived in Chicago and I've never seen a better rebounder and you are right he was like 6' 7" or so. Besides playing the odds and knowing where the ball was most likely going to go, Rodman also had this unteachable technique of tipping the ball multiple times to himself when he was unable to get the ball clean at 1st. It was fun to watch him tipping the ball around a few times and then gathering it in...also his personality both on and off the court made him fun to watch. While he could be seen as a distraction, you sure got your $ worth with him, he would give everything he had and dive into the stands etc for a lose ball.

Couple his rebounding with a team of players like Jordan, Pippen, etc and you can easily see how they had their dynasty and won year after year.

I that warrior spirt obviously in Artest, but also did in Bonzi, at least last year whether it be a contract year thing or not.

Although I come down on KT a lot for his poor attitude and not wanting to come off the bench...he tries hard for being 6' 7" PF in the West. He is very turnover prone, but the guy does try....at least when he starts. :rolleyes:
 
Barkley and Rodman were freaks who had springs in their legs too. Easier to battle with the big boys when you can play uip at their level. Unique talents.

Not sure where the Dantley thing came from though -- he was never more than a middling rebounder, and weak for the latter half of his career.

Edit -- just checked and back in the 70's he got over 7 a couple of times. But still, a boardmaster he was not.
 
Barkley and Rodman were freaks who had springs in their legs too. Easier to battle with the big boys when you can play uip at their level. Unique talents.

Not sure where the Dantley thing came from though -- he was never more than a middling rebounder, and weak for the latter half of his career.

Edit -- just checked and back in the 70's he got over 7 a couple of times. But still, a boardmaster he was not.

Went back and checked myself. I stand corrected oh wisened one. He wasn't a great rebounder, but for his size he was a decent rebounder. On our team, he would be right up there with the leaders. Now thats sad..
 
Went back and checked myself. I stand corrected oh wisened one. He wasn't a great rebounder, but for his size he was a decent rebounder. On our team, he would be right up there with the leaders. Now thats sad..

I guess Petrie things we have such good shooters that we don't need to rebound (offensive end) and on the (defensive end) the ball will just come to us. :rolleyes:
 
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