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Kings Notes: An enthusiastic practice earns Kings a free day
By Joe Davidson - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:48 am PDT Sunday, October 15, 2006


Eric Musselman greeted his group Saturday morning and laid it out nice and clear.

Produce a festive and feisty practice, the Kings' coach said, and today is all yours.

"We called it NFL family day," Musselman said of the carrot he dangled. "We went really hard today. We put 1 1/2 practices into one. We told them constantly this was an NFL family day opportunity but if they were sluggish, we'd come back (today) with another practice."

One highlight of practice was when Loren Woods took the ball from midcourt to the rim, belying his 7-foot-2 frame. Mike Bibby concluded things with a team-wide mass slide drill, in which the veteran point guard led the charge. If he moved left, everyone moved left. If he went right, everyone went right -- and quickly. If he dove on the floor, everyone did, like a fire drill.

Corliss update -- Corliss Williamson showed that he's still ready for rotation minutes at forward, scoring 10 points in the exhibition opener Thursday in Dallas. He made 5 of 7 shots, including a runner, a jump-hook, a post-up move and a bank shot a la Tim Duncan. He lasted just 30 minutes Saturday in practice before a sore back sidelined him, though Musselman said it wasn't serious.

"Corliss has had a really, really good camp," Musselman said.

Mo update -- Maurice Taylor, an eight-year veteran at power forward and center, will get his first full contact scrimmage action when the Kings resume practice Monday, Musselman said. Taylor has been slowed by a calf injury since he signed a free-agent contract early in training camp. Musselman said Taylor could play Tuesday against the Lakers in Las Vegas.

Loving the long shots -- Musselman has a soft spot for long shots to make pro basketball rosters. He was one once, a plucky, determined, driven guard. He was a fifth-round draft pick in the Continental Basketball Association in 1987.

When Musselman observes long and lean undrafted free-agent frontcourt players Louis Amundson and Justin Williams rebound, defend and run the floor, he takes notice.

"Guys like that, they know the odds are stacked against them," Musselman said. "You never know. Louis is emerging as a guy who can come out of nowhere and who can potentially make a team. Thus far, he's been a guy who has proven he can rebound. He's off to a good start."

Same with Williams, who is an inch taller than Amundson at 6-10 and every bit as active. Williams had seven points against Dallas and Amundson had four rebounds.

Said Musselman of Williams: "He's made progress. He understands it's an uphill battle, based on (veteran) contracts and experience. Whether it's with us or someone else, he's going to be in the NBA."

The Kings' roster stands at 17 after the team cut "Pooh" Jeter on Friday. NBA teams must trim their rosters to 15 by Oct. 31.

Et cetera -- Ron Artest logged 30 minutes in Dallas, the most by a King, because Musselman wanted to see him in different sets with different people. Artest made 3 of 14 shots and showed some rust by missing three consecutive putbacks during an 0-of-8 first half.

• Francisco García played 17 minutes in Dallas despite a tender hamstring. He had two highlight plays. One was setting the screen that freed Jason Hart to hit a three-pointer to beat the halftime buzzer and the other came later when, diving for a loose ball, he retrieved it and fired an outlet pass from the seat of his pants, much to the delight of Musselman standing a few feet away.

• The only player not to play Thursday was 10-year veteran center Vitaly Potapenko. He has yet to pass a mandated conditioning test.

About the writer: The Bee's Joe Davidson can be reached at jdavidson@ sacbee.com.
 
I don't care how "homer" it sounds, I'm really excited about the coming season.

GO KINGS!!!!!
 
From the sound of it, looks like Muss is leaning more towards keeping Amundson than Williams. Guess we'll find out in a few more days.
 
From the sound of it, looks like Muss is leaning more towards keeping Amundson than Williams. Guess we'll find out in a few more days.

I see it too. The only thing for Williams to do is give our staff every reason not to let him go.
 
I disagree about it "sounding" anything towards one for us, here. From what he said there, it was much more in general about them in the NBA, not really in relation to us.
 
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I see Williams as a better player currently and for the future.

P.S. Kings113 its good to see you back i missed you!
 
From the sound of it, looks like Muss is leaning more towards keeping Amundson than Williams. Guess we'll find out in a few more days.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Muss also diplomatically said the 2-slot was still open not very long ago, too.

;)

And remember - it's not Musselman who decides whom to keep and whom to cut.
 
The Maloofs said, after the Artest trade, that they would resume letting Petrie make those decisions. I'm sure he will consult Musselman, but the "final" decision is Geoff's. I really don't think the Maloofs are going to get too involved that deep into the bench.
 
I don't care how "homer" it sounds, I'm really excited about the coming season.

GO KINGS!!!!!

Been thinkin' the same. Now comes the real indicator: 7 games in 10 days. Very soon now we'll know what Kings have got and who likely are the 15. :D
 
"The only player not to play Thursday was 10-year veteran center Vitaly Potapenko. He has yet to pass a mandated conditioning test."

Hmm, I thought Hart said that everyone passed the test. If he can't even pass the test I hope we dump him somehow so one of the young guys can make the roster.
 
I wouldn't be too worried about Vitaly passing the test. One test he will past is the post D test. He is easily the best post defender on the team. He said the running drill in Seattle was hard and this one now is like 5 seconds less time to do it in than that one.
 
From the sound of it, looks like Muss is leaning more towards keeping Amundson than Williams. Guess we'll find out in a few more days.

Amundson must have good people skills...Cause Williams has outplayed him since summer league, and yet more Kings higher ups have been into Amundson from the start.
 
Yet Musselman has praised Williams 3-4 times (various interivews and articles), and Ron has talked about him once. Same goes for Amundson, only difference is the Maloofs talked about him.

Thing is, Williams has the advantage right now because he had a better game than Amundson. In Vegas in two days, that's an especially good time for Amundson to get back on the equal level they were both on before pre-season game 1. As both impressed a lot in the summer and recieved hype 3-4 times from the organization in various ways.

Ideally, I want both on the roster. But, more realistically, I'll settle for either one of them, just like Williams a bit more. I also see Williams coming out in the end.

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Potapenko or Williams/Amundson?

Absolutely Williams or Amundson... Potapenko's weaknesses outweigh his strengths...

S: Experienced, big body, bangs down low on both ends, expiring contract of 3 million.

W: Older, injury prone, not a shotblocker, not a stand-out rebounder, not even average athletically, uncertain role/spot.

I simply see Williams/Amundson as an overall better investment for us. Potapenko shouldn't be the reason why one of them doesn't make the team, that'd be disappointing and iffy to me.

I'd really like to see Petrie deal Pot to Minny or Houston for a TE or R2 pick from one of them. Both could use another big body, as has been publicized lately. Similar goes for Hart (think he has somewhat of a better chance to stay right now), though to nowhere specific.

With Woods, I don't think Woods chances should be written off after one pre-season game. As has gone for Amundson. I think that if Woods doesn't make a statement of some kind for 2-3 games, he could well be cut, keep Pot (for the time being), and add Justin Williams or Amundson (I'm going with Williams).
 
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I doubt Woods gets cut doesn't he have a guaranteed contract? doesn't the salary cap rule suggest you can't cut players under contract?

i doubt Woods gets cut the Kings have no expectations on him whatever he brings on the court will be a bonus.
 
You obviously haven't read various quotes and articles about Woods in recent times then, Joker. Woods is partially guaranteed until 10/31, I think.
 
I doubt Woods gets cut doesn't he have a guaranteed contract?

No, it's partially guaranteed.

doesn't the salary cap rule suggest you can't cut players under contract?

No.

i doubt Woods gets cut the Kings have no expectations on him whatever he brings on the court will be a bonus.

Bulldooty. If they didn't have some expectations for him, they wouldn't have brought him here. This isn't playground basketball. It's the NBA. The way you act sometimes, you seem to forget that.
 
Sure they might have expectations on him but my point was there not gonna be high or low just a bonus expectation.

if Woods can bring some defense to this ball-club i will be thrilled.
 
doesn't the salary cap rule suggest you can't cut players under contract?

You can cut anybody you want, you just still have to pay for them. For a guy with a contract you would actually waive them I would imagine. In Loren Woods case, I think he's only guaranteed through the end of training camp. Don't think we've gotten any info on Mo Taylor yet.
 
Can we viod Vitaly's contract if he does not pass the conditioning test by the start of the regular season?

Uh, no. We can waive him, but we still have to pay him. Remember Brent Price?

No "voiding" contracts in the NBA just because a guy is slow.
 
Can we viod Vitaly's contract if he does not pass the conditioning test by the start of the regular season?

The ONLY way it would be voidable is if the clause about conditioning was a part of the contract as originally signed.
 
The ONLY way it would be voidable is if the clause about conditioning was a part of the contract as originally signed.

And even then, the terms of the conditioning would have had to be in that original contract -- no having a coach just throw down a random standard in the last year of a guy's contract as a pretense for getting rid of him.
 
Thanks, Brick. I remembered just enough from my one year of business law in college. I knew you'd fill in any blanks.

:)
 
I doubt Woods gets cut doesn't he have a guaranteed contract? doesn't the salary cap rule suggest you can't cut players under contract?
Salary wise, cutting Woods and keeping one of the youngsters is or is nearly a wash. The portion of Wood's salary that is guaranteed plus that of a rookie contract (assuming a youngster is kept in place of him) is close to what the Kings would pay simply for Woods. Little added cost either way.

Woods has the experience but Admunson might have the edge on him if the Kings are looking long term. If Admunson makes the team instead, the Kings have him tied up on the cheap for possibly three years giving him time to develop plus then having Birds rights. Not sure what Williams contract would be if he makes the team.
 
I doubt Mo Taylor gets cut. From what I remember hearing he is fully guaranteed at the vet minimum.

I also don't see Loren Woods getting cut. But you never know.
 
Taylor is on a 1-year deal at 1.06 million guaranteed. AKA the vet mininum.

One roster spot open as of now, I'm betting on Williams to take it.
 
Taylor I believe also falls into the catagory of minimum contracts where the league picks up part of his tab. Could be wrong.

Kings113, what one roster spot are you refering to? There are seventeen players on the roster and fifteen have at least partial guarantees. IMHO, the only three, outside of Admunson and Williams, on the bubble are Hart, Woods and Price. Price I would put as doubtful to be cut. Woods is a wash salary wise and Hart has a sizable chuck of change coming his way.
 
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