63royals
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He's in the box score for tonight's game as a DNP-CD, so yes.
Bagley not in opening night rotation
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Rob-The-Great
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You guys can say what you want. He's better than Mo Harkless
SLAB
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Mo Harkless attempts to and sometimes succeeds at playing defense though
Rob-The-Great
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Does he? Stats don't stay that, check out everyone he's guarded up to this point. He's a blank check
I don't think his defense is better than Bagley overall play.
Rob-The-Great
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And today is what I'd call a great game from MO. I've tried to get on the MO train but the guy is just not a upgrade to the ever hated Bagley I'm sorry
This is what I'm getting at....the one time I saw a bit of Bagley in preseason he looked unconditioned though....maybe his conditioning is poor quality. Harkless does look like he tries harder but he's also fairly average looking in most respects. Unless there' something physically or mentally going on, I don't see why Bagley isn't playing at all. Vendettas are for the birds.
GWD
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First off, apologies for not reading the whole thread and (maybe) repeating something already stated.
If the team is trying to move Bagley in a trade, it makes no sense playing him given his history of getting injured. The hope would be that another team's memory of Bagley's injury susceptibility would fade and since there are no current injuries, they might make a deal. (OK, maybe a dream.)
This would be confirmed if we knew what practice routine Bagley has. Does he do anything beyond walk-throughs?
Also suspicious is the fact that neither he nor his father is having a fit about little playing time. If they know a deal is being sought then they are likely satisfied with the current situation.
If the team is trying to move Bagley in a trade, it makes no sense playing him given his history of getting injured. The hope would be that another team's memory of Bagley's injury susceptibility would fade and since there are no current injuries, they might make a deal. (OK, maybe a dream.)
This would be confirmed if we knew what practice routine Bagley has. Does he do anything beyond walk-throughs?
Also suspicious is the fact that neither he nor his father is having a fit about little playing time. If they know a deal is being sought then they are likely satisfied with the current situation.
Folsomkingsfan
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Being a good teammate is really the only play he has left. He has to know his value is virtually non-existent at this point so being a locker room cancer could seriously jeopardize any opportunities he may still have in this league. That being said I'm definitely rooting for him wherever he winds up going. He definitely hasn't had an easy start to his career, even if much of the issues are his own fault.
EIM86
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he’s practicing with DC still before games but i doubt it’ll have muc dividends cause Bagless isn’t practicing on his own most likely
Spurs and OKC seem like the best fits, either because he could actually develop under Pop and rebuild himself as a player or because he'd probably actually get to play in OKC and they could absorb his salary and send whatever pick back. We could do the Thad Young deal with Spurs that Suns are too chicken to do and then flip him at the deadline or keep him around if he's contributing?
SacTownKid
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Yeah, small has been and is obviously the way to go. However, the issues that will continue to creep up is that teams are going to let Harkless be the guy the offense swings to in order to shoot. We've already seen too much attempted playmaking from him as well. And not because he's selfish but out of necessity. At the end of the day, it's very hard for a team to be able to fit in someone as a full time starter that gets you 5 and 3 with spotty shooting from the wing on average. Maybe if you have a real deal 3 superstar combination like the Nets if Irving were playing. This franchise can't continue to bargain shop on the wing in a wing dominated league. Harkless is an upgrade from GR3 but how much?
The best effect Harkless has had so far is that it has put Barnes at his natural position for the entire game at PF with no real wavering this season. That said, Monte has to upgrade the wing at some point.
Section 101
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Pop would make him cry.
Not our problem.
KingsFanSince85
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When he plays. Historically he only plays half of the time.
My guess is the KINGS aren’t playing him partially so he won’t get hurt again. So maybe they can still move him before the deadline. That, and his defense is bad and doesn’t fit in with their current direction.
It’s funny, before this season there weren’t many Marvin Bagley apologists. Most complained that he is oft injured and that his defensive ability sucks. Now that he’s not playing, there’s suddenly a growing contingent upset about it?
Something is off here.
EIM86
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seems like most of the newbs are saying it
I've stuck up for him when he displays a positive attitude, and criticized the hell out of him when his camp is out of line.
But his brief stint on the court in game 2 was enough for me to say his D is looking hopeless. If he's working out with DC and they have measurable goals to get him on the court that's great. He looks pretty content right now despite the role. I have no idea why that is. We definitely have to move on, so I hope he is getting feedback that facilitates a move good for all involved. I think Monte could get a player in the back half of the first round that will be better than Marvin so any of the garbage first round picks that exist to take on long term salary that are throw ins in a few months will be just fine.
Do you have access to the practice facility or occasion to see Bagley during his free time?
EIM86
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lol cmon dude if he was legit practicing and improving he would be on the floor already. You don’t gotta be a sports guru to fill in the gap
KingsFanSince85
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Which is completely unbiased and fair. I've been on the same side of the fence in that regard.
I was against drafting him, and for another player obviously. But I quickly changed directions and was open to him and really hoping he'd develop into a complimentary star. There was absolutely no benefit as a KINGS fan in seeing him fail, let alone rooting for it to happen.
Same still applies now.
That said, I've seen enough. Not just from him but from his camp to believe it's time to move on. However if he suddenly started getting time and started producing consistently (and playing decent defense), I'd be very happy about it.
I would too but I also think only so we could trade him. Unless he actually could play the 3 like Vlade said.
You know, as frustrating as comments like "Youse don't gotta be no sports guru to know he aint trying" or "baby bagley still a rookie go write some bad raps" are to me, I almost prefer the posters that own their dislike of Bagley to the "I've always been very fair and objective. Very very fair. Him and his father can take that bad defence and shove it". If you are balanced and objective - cool. Be balanced and objective. But no need to qualify posts with "In my very balanced and objective view...". Plus the only truly objective thing we can say right now is he isn't playing. Whether that's due to his defence, overall ability, his application, team priorities and fit, the social hierarchy, Luke, or (a case study in) mismanagement - we don't know - that is speculation.
As with any post I make about Bagley someone will either come and identify the error in my thinking or follow my post up with a 'nah I am very fair and I always support the Kings players except when I very fairly don't'.
As with any post I make about Bagley someone will either come and identify the error in my thinking or follow my post up with a 'nah I am very fair and I always support the Kings players except when I very fairly don't'.
Livinthedream
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You don't honestly believe in the "if you work hard enough" saying do you? There is some poor guy working double shifts in Amazon warehouse thinking he's going to be rich soon too, while living below the poverty line.
Nah. It has to be right time, place and situation. Bagley doesn't mesh well with Walton. With Walton being a player's coach, the number one thing that matters to Walton is how he feels about you on a personal level. Basketball is second. Bagley can work as hard as he wants and nothing will change in this organization.
A change of scenery will do Bagley well.
EIM86
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if the kid could play decent defense he would be playing over Mo it’s that simple.
Livinthedream
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The discussion centered around how much practice time Marvin was really putting in and that is why he was on the bench.
Reality is, when the coach is going with an 8 man rotation and tells Marvin, he's not in the rotation, that's a hard place to climb out of. 8 man rotation is going to leave some very capable players on the bench for any NBA team.
Livinthedream
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Agreed. When someone like @SLAB says he won't like Bagley no matter what, I respect it and it makes me laugh. But when people argue that they don't like Bagley because he doesn't work hard or is a bad teammate, well then I know they are manufacturing reasons and credibility is lost. Same with the defense argument. The Kings were a bad defensive team the last few years with or without Bagley. The other bad defenders from a season ago still get to run it back.
Rob-The-Great
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Thank you! Everyone sucked on defense last year. This whole hes not good on def last year so he's not playing can apply to every single person on the team especially buddy. Yet he's averaging 30+ off bench. The coach just doesn't plan like him. They need to play him and get some dang value so we can attempt to trade him. Keeping him on bench does nothing but embarrasse the organization. He'll let him play G league to improve at least. Something
Who? McNair didn't draft him, Vlade did. Walton wasn't the coach when we drafted him. The old FO regime more or less got fired because Bagley has proven to be so far apart from his draft counterparts.
Tetsujin
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Bagley's already more valuable as an expiring contract than he ever would be as a player even if the Kings were playing him a bunch of minutes to the detriment of the team to try to boost his value.
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