LilMissDiva
Bench
VF21 said:Maybe Ron could give him a monogramed nail clipper with "tru warier" on it and break the ice?
I love it!! LOL
Artests Impact... On Bibby?
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Kev.in
Starter
Bibby just needs to get used to playing differently. Ever since Webber was traded, he's gotten used to dribbling a whole lot to set up his own shot. He'd been living at the top of the key and it was getting too predictable. Now that Ron's here, it takes away some ballhandling duties and brings the offense closer to the basket.
It's good that he has to adjust, because it'll make him a better player. If he can't change, then something is wrong with him (and I would be very surprised). He's taken so many shots off the dribble in the last year, that his spot up shot is off. He used to hit those back in the days when he'd curl around a screen and take the handoff from Webber/Divac. He just needs to get back to finding ways to get the easy shots and cash them in.
It's good that he has to adjust, because it'll make him a better player. If he can't change, then something is wrong with him (and I would be very surprised). He's taken so many shots off the dribble in the last year, that his spot up shot is off. He used to hit those back in the days when he'd curl around a screen and take the handoff from Webber/Divac. He just needs to get back to finding ways to get the easy shots and cash them in.
bench_blob
Bench
At the beginning of the season, people were saying Bibby bulked up too much and it ruined his shot, he has lost his shooting touch....and now he is averaging a career best in points.
I think his slump now is partly getting used to playing with a new player, but moreso the fact players go through ups and downs, hot and cold streaks.
We are seeing that now with Kobe Bryant...he is not on the torrid pace of over 40 points a game every night.
Bibby scored over 40 points 4 times in 10 days....now he is in a lull. A shooter and competitor like Mike won't stay dormant for long. Look for 30+ point explosion from him soon. The double teamming of Artest in the post, his unselfishness and willingness to pass, will help, not hinder over time.
Win a damn road game Kings!!!
I think his slump now is partly getting used to playing with a new player, but moreso the fact players go through ups and downs, hot and cold streaks.
We are seeing that now with Kobe Bryant...he is not on the torrid pace of over 40 points a game every night.
Bibby scored over 40 points 4 times in 10 days....now he is in a lull. A shooter and competitor like Mike won't stay dormant for long. Look for 30+ point explosion from him soon. The double teamming of Artest in the post, his unselfishness and willingness to pass, will help, not hinder over time.
Win a damn road game Kings!!!
The whole offense has changed with Artest and that sort of thing will influence Bibby. The O is just off-kilter right now. I am seeing Bibby make turnovers and bad passes that he normally doesn't make. The whole team is turning the ball over a lot. They need to figure out what scheme they want to run and they need to work it in practice.
SacKings384
Starter
Elektrik said:
Excellent point... I would love for it to stay that way... Iso plays in the final minutes aren't going to do much. Collapsing defense is just too much when the D tightens up. (Which is why post players like KG, Duncan, Shaq don't hit that many game winners) Bibby should remain the go-to player at the end... But he's not... Not realy diggin that...
ForlornKing
Starter
SacKings384 said:
I'm not really sure it's about making Bonzi Wells, or Shareef (who have been dished the ball to make the winning shot) getting the ball in crunch time, but it's about the oposing team not expecting who it's going to go to.
IMO, it's much more beneficial to have 5 players on the court who CAN make the game-winning shot.
Personally I have always thought that Bibby was overrated. It's great when he goes off for a 40 pt. game, but if his shot is off what is he really contributing. I'm not skilled enough to always recognize the intangibles, but I've always been able to see the basic skill set which makes a good player - maybe not a star, but a good contributor (like Brad, Darius, JJackson). I'm just not identifying that with Bibby. Help me out here. How have I missed all those clutch shots that I keep hearing about. Shots yes; but made no. I must be in denial! Just call me Cleopatra.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
ForlornKing said:
Not the way it works though. every good team needs to have a guy who stands tall in the crunch and that everybody looks to to get it done. Bibby has been that guy and has hit a LOT of big crunchtime shots for us over the years. Its no different than what Artest is proving emphatically once again -- in sports, democracy sucks. You always need a leader, a goto guy, somebody who lifts everybody upo and puts them on his shoulders. In the crunch that's been Bibby, and that's often been great for us. I've seen Mike Bibby go toe to toe down the stretch against Kobe Bryant, and win half the time. And after you find that guy, you milk him for all he's worth. Which doesn't mean he should gun it against triple coverage if there is anybody else with balls on the team who can step up, but it means the mere fact that teams are scared enough of him to draw that triple coverage is of immense value itself -- he's responsible for the lesser lights getting open looks.
Diehard Jim
Bench
One thing I have noticed with Mike is that he appears to be working on the defensive end a little bit more. He is not a stopper mind you and a long way from becoming a defender. but I have noticed that now with Ron on the team it looks as though he has gotten a little bit of defense into Mikes head. I think it will take time for bibby to become a decent defender and he will never become a really good defender, because too much of his game is based on the offensive end.
The one thing I have noticed a lot more in the last 4-5 games is mike is fighting over the top of screens more. before, you knew if he was your man was just go around a screen and take a shot because he would go under.
I think Mike will be fine and once he finds his comfort level, everything will be fine.
The game against phoenix was a game that all players have every once in a while. If it was me I would have gotten a T 10 mins before he did, because Mike takes too much contact in the lanes for the few amount of times he goes to the line.
The one thing I have noticed a lot more in the last 4-5 games is mike is fighting over the top of screens more. before, you knew if he was your man was just go around a screen and take a shot because he would go under.
I think Mike will be fine and once he finds his comfort level, everything will be fine.
The game against phoenix was a game that all players have every once in a while. If it was me I would have gotten a T 10 mins before he did, because Mike takes too much contact in the lanes for the few amount of times he goes to the line.
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thesanityannex
Guest
Bibby is taking longer to adjust than the others. Simple as that. None of the others even came close to leading the team as Bibby did (pre-Artest) so its not surprising Bibby is the last one struggling with the changes. Sure trade him away, we'll just let Garcia/Martin handle all the deep balls from now on.
And I've also seen Bibby actually play some defense as of late.
And I've also seen Bibby actually play some defense as of late.
when bibby takes 25+ shots and get the 3x, 4x points games, people say he shoots too much...hurting the team...
now when he is trying to adjust his game, average only about 13 shots the last 7 games, people say he is not agressive, he is in slump, he sucks, he is not happy, etc etc.
So....what do you really want?
now when he is trying to adjust his game, average only about 13 shots the last 7 games, people say he is not agressive, he is in slump, he sucks, he is not happy, etc etc.
So....what do you really want?
bcfy said:
I think people want some assists? Personally I'm happy if he takes 14-15 shots, makes 6 or 7 of them, hits the open 3s he gets, gets some dishes, and tries on D. He's been doing most of that the last couple games so I guess I really have nothing to complain about.
The L Train
G-League
It makes me sick to think about a bibby trade.
Do you people remember the years of Spud Webb/Bobby Hurley/Tyrus Edney?
We've become so spoilt! To trade Bibby would be blastphemous. Before Jason Williams, I remember years when the kings had trouble getting the ball up the court...
Do you people remember the years of Spud Webb/Bobby Hurley/Tyrus Edney?
We've become so spoilt! To trade Bibby would be blastphemous. Before Jason Williams, I remember years when the kings had trouble getting the ball up the court...
LilMissDiva
Bench
The L Train said:
I agree L Train, he has brouught so much here, and he is STILL needed. BTW, welcome!
