Artest to Denver For Linas Kleiza and Eduardo Najera
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kennadog
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Question: It wouldn't be $14 million, would it? For this season wouldn't they be paying less than half the $7 million in salary (approx 40%) as there is more than half the season gone?
nbrans
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The tax is based on team payroll on the last day of the regular season. So Phoenix's tax payment wouldn't be pro-rated (just as, as a hypothetical example, if we were in tax territory and traded away Artest to get under the tax level we wouldn't have to pay any tax even though we would have been over the tax for much of the season).
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16
Andriod_KiNg
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=jy-kiddtomavsagain021808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
woooo, come on Carmelo do some pressuring and help us out.
Dime Dropper
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That's from a couple days ago. Still, Artest for Najera, Kleiza and a 1st rounder would be a great deal. I find it hard to believe they're willing to include that pick because if that was an offer, I think Geoff would have it done by now. But, you never know...
Artest for Najera, Kleiza and a pick would mean having to waive another player, and we have already waived everyone that was cheap. Someone like Wright is a great candidate for waiving, but I don't think he's officially ours yet (physical, NBA seal of approval), and we can't waive him until we have him. So give it another couple of days.
6th
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6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
That's a good thought. Maybe we need to waive someone we are getting from Atlanta and that is what Geoff's waiting for. I like it.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Thanks, nbrans. I should have looked it up.
This trade could be awesome if it goes down. We really don't need another SF, even if we do trade Artest, since Garcia and Salmons can fill the role. However, Kleiza has had some excellent games, namely against us. We can showcase him for the rest of the year and he can possibly become another trade-able asset.
Plus, another pick would be awesome. Something tells me we might have to include Atlanta's second rounder to get Denver's first, but i'd still do it.
Plus, another pick would be awesome. Something tells me we might have to include Atlanta's second rounder to get Denver's first, but i'd still do it.
Gary
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I think the sticking point might have been the pick. If we were ti get a 3rd team involved I don't see how this couldn't help us. We could move one of our newly acquired PGs to a 3rd team, and they move a PG to Denver.
As I read in another thread we cannot include our new PG with another player or we have to wait for some time which would come after the deadline right? So we move one of our PGs to a 3rd team, and they move a PG to Denver and WALLA! This would allow us to get that pick as well. It's not like it's a great pick anyway. We are talking in the 20s.
=LarryLegend=
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physicals done! lets do some trades!
Gary
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I really do believe we are looking to move Salmons as well as a backup plan incase we can't move Artest.. If Artest isn't traded Salmons would go to a team that would need a starting SG/SF which seems to be quite a few. Artest walks at the end of the year, and we have cleared that logjam we have. Plus quite a bit of salary as well. Garcia is a decent starter. In the draft from 20-30 there are quite a few SG/SF prospects to backup Garcia, and Martin. You have Ryan Anderson, Tyler Smith, Will Daniels among others.
Gary
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Read a rumor that Mike Miller might be going to the Nuggets. This doesn't really solve their perimeter D issue though.. They are shopping Kyle Lowry as well. Supposedly the owner of the Grizzlies wants all large contracts traded.
You all think this might turn into a 3 team deal where;
Kings get: Mike Miller, 1st round pick from Denver
Kings trade: Ron Artest, Tyronn Lue
Memphis gets: Tyronn Lue, Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najera
Memphis trades: Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry
Denver gets: Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry
Denver trades: Eduardo Najera, 1st round pick, Linas Kleiza
After this trade is done we would ship Mike Miller away to Toronto for;
Kings trade:
Mike Miller
Kings receive:
2008 #1 pick, Juan Dixon, Kris Humphries,
Toronto trades:
2008 #1 pick, Kris Humphries, Juan Dixon
Toronto Receives:
Mike Miller
*disclaimer - This is not how my brain usually works. I am high on Starbucks
You all think this might turn into a 3 team deal where;
Kings get: Mike Miller, 1st round pick from Denver
Kings trade: Ron Artest, Tyronn Lue
Memphis gets: Tyronn Lue, Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najera
Memphis trades: Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry
Denver gets: Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry
Denver trades: Eduardo Najera, 1st round pick, Linas Kleiza
After this trade is done we would ship Mike Miller away to Toronto for;
Kings trade:
Mike Miller
Kings receive:
2008 #1 pick, Juan Dixon, Kris Humphries,
Toronto trades:
2008 #1 pick, Kris Humphries, Juan Dixon
Toronto Receives:
Mike Miller
*disclaimer - This is not how my brain usually works. I am high on Starbucks
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We don't need Mike Miller either.
The sucky part about the Miller situation is thta his availability is directly competing wiht our efforts to shed Ron, and we may not be able to move Ron until right at the deadline, if then, as teams jockey for both guys, and maybe hope to land the sane one.
The sucky part about the Miller situation is thta his availability is directly competing wiht our efforts to shed Ron, and we may not be able to move Ron until right at the deadline, if then, as teams jockey for both guys, and maybe hope to land the sane one.
kupman
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The sane one is easily the least of the two IMHO. If you want to go for broke, you may have to deal with a little (or a lot) of insanity.
Gary
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We wouldn't keep Miller. He would immediately be traded to Toronto for a pick, and a couple players they don't want, or expirings.
=LarryLegend=
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Seattle's Delonte West is another player the Nuggets have recently inquired about. Members of Denver's front office have liked West since his days in Boston, and they believe he would complement Allen Iverson quite well because of his size and ability to defend two guards. One potential deal being discussed has Yakhouba Diawara, Wafer and a draft pick going to Seattle for West. The Nuggets could also trade J.R. Smith for West straight up if they so desired.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7471
i think this would be our first rounder??
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7471
i think this would be our first rounder??
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Rockmeister
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Read this mornings bee that they are still considering Ron to go to Denver. Although talks have stalled a bit, they think he might be moved, however, any trade might not happen until Wednesday. So, we shall see.
=LarryLegend=
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I will be happy with Nene/Najera for Artest/Thomas.
but....I think we better start hoping Artest will opt out. i can really respect his work ethic, and on court play. but i can not stand another year of him.
but....I think we better start hoping Artest will opt out. i can really respect his work ethic, and on court play. but i can not stand another year of him.
Big Cuz 15
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what could we have gotten for this fool after that midseason trade?
CruzDude
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I still think the hardest part of any trade is trying to unload KT as part of any deal. Who wants a 6-7 center with no legs and no ability to finish on offense who makes, what $7M+? And who has been sitting on the bench for most of this year. Nah. Artest for Kleisa and Najera fits the $$$ But if Kings want to unload KT who makes $7.3M this year + 2 more years, then the Nuggets have no expirings to trade anywhere near that amount of $$. Third team?? Nah....
=LarryLegend=
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I see ron ron here after the deadline. Why i dont think teams rent a former "defensive player of the year" that is a lil off the rocker....
I seriously hope that we have given up on that as a condition. If anybody had the slightest interest in KT, he would be gone already. All he is now is a deal killer. It would be a pity to get nothing for Artest, or to be offered only some other team's KT in return for him, because of Kenny. We already retired Corliss, and swapped Skinner for a bag of stale chips, the front office needs to accept that the CWebb trade was not all a bowl of cherries, and move on.
Of course, I'd still be delighted to have his contract bought out, but until then, he's just an waste of money, and one roster spot. He's not a cancer, he can be ignored.
Dime Dropper
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Me too, I think it's silly at this point to be insisting on moving KT in a package with Ron. Artest's not exactly a hot commodity. I think it was Smills that said that we can't start rebuilding until KT is gone? I don't see any logic in that. As bad as KT is, he is not the source of all evil. Not attempting to rebuild simply because we have KT is madness. He is one player. He is not going to prevent any team from rebuilding. It's not as if his contract is stopping us from aquiring or signing players, it's 7/8 mil, not 20.
Please stop begging for KT to be moved along with Artest. It's not necessary. Would I jump on a (good) deal involving both? Of course, but the likelihood is extremely low. Let's just move one problem at a time.
greypoupon
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Agreed.
I just don't know if there's a team out there that can trade away their expiring contracts and then take on KT's contract along with Artest's big new extension. Even the Knicks now seem loathe to want to do those kinds of deals.
It's just not financially feasible. I'm sure Petrie would like to unload an Artest/Thomas combo on some other team, but it's probably more of just a starting point for negotiations than it is reality.
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