Artest hit on Manu under review

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Spurs-Kings notebook: Artest's hard foul under league review
Web Posted: 04/24/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer


The NBA is reviewing whether Ron Artest's foul on Manu Ginobili in Saturday's game warrants being upgraded to a flagrant violation, a league official said Sunday.

Artest hit Ginobili in the side of the face with his forearm early in the third quarter of the Spurs' 122-88 victory. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich immediately complained to the officials that Artest deserved a flagrant foul.

If the foul is upgraded to a flagrant 1 penalty, Artest could receive a small fine, if that. In the less likely event the league decided to change it to a flagrant 2 foul, Artest could be suspended for Tuesday's game.

When deciding whether to reclassify a foul or levy a fine and/or suspension, the NBA weighs: the severity of the foul; whether the foul led to an altercation; and the level of the injury sustained by the player who was fouled. Given that Ginobili wasn't seriously injured, it seems unlikely Artest would be given a flagrant 2 penalty.

Players are allowed to accumulate three flagrant points during the playoffs. Their fourth and subsequent points bring an automatic ejection.

Artest, who also hit Tim Duncan in the back of the head on one trip down the floor, took his share of punishment. On the game's opening possession, Ginobili elbowed him in the face while chasing the ball.

Artest needed three stitches to close the cut on his lip. He declined to talk to reporters Sunday for the second day in a row, citing the injury.

Different approaches: While Popovich gave the Spurs Sunday off, Sacramento coach Rick Adelman put his team through a two-hour film session followed by an hour-long practice.

Adelman thought it was important the Kings see the mistakes they made Saturday on film.

"We were very explicit with what went on," Adelman said. "They're the world champs, and they turned it up a notch — a big notch.

"You either respond to that or you don't ... I think they'll respond."

The Spurs will practice this afternoon.

No apologies necessary: If the Kings took offense to Nazr Mohammed's insult-on-top-of-injury 3-pointer in the closing seconds of Saturday's loss, they weren't letting on about it.

After Mohammed made the 3-pointer, the second of his career, he received a lengthy tongue-lashing from Popovich, who didn't want to give the Kings any reason to feel disrespected.

But Sacramento guard Mike Bibby said Mohammed's shot was understandable because the shot clock was winding down, and other Kings said they had bigger things to worry about than a garbage-time basket.

"The 30 points they beat us by was disrespectful," forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim "I'm more concerned with that than (Mohammed) hitting the 3."

Simply stated: It didn't take a genius for the Kings to determine why they were outrebounded badly in Game1 and what it will take to turn things around in Game2.

"We just have to rebound harder," starting guard Bonzi Wells said. "That's it. We've got to go get them. We thought somebody else was going to get them in the first game."
 

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The NBA is reviewing whether Ron Artest's foul on Manu Ginobili in Saturday's game warrants being upgraded to a flagrant violation, a league official said Sunday.
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Wow, when I first read this I thought Artest was going to be issued an after-the-fact flagrant foul for hitting Ginobili's elbow with his mouth. And I thought only Kobe got special considerations by the League.
 
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Does the foul look intentional ? I mean, it's postseason, players get smacked left and right, that's expected in my book. Well, perhaps coach Pop is a bit on a protective side over Manu, since he's still his (our) best option down the stretch for big games like now.
 
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VF21 said:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA042406.09D.SPURS_notebook.140a421.html

Spurs-Kings notebook: Artest's hard foul under league review
Web Posted: 04/24/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer


The NBA is reviewing whether Ron Artest's foul on Manu Ginobili in Saturday's game warrants being upgraded to a flagrant violation, a league official said Sunday.

Artest hit Ginobili in the side of the face with his forearm early in the third quarter of the Spurs' 122-88 victory. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich immediately complained to the officials that Artest deserved a flagrant foul.

If the foul is upgraded to a flagrant 1 penalty, Artest could receive a small fine, if that. In the less likely event the league decided to change it to a flagrant 2 foul, Artest could be suspended for Tuesday's game.

When deciding whether to reclassify a foul or levy a fine and/or suspension, the NBA weighs: the severity of the foul; whether the foul led to an altercation; and the level of the injury sustained by the player who was fouled. Given that Ginobili wasn't seriously injured, it seems unlikely Artest would be given a flagrant 2 penalty.

Players are allowed to accumulate three flagrant points during the playoffs. Their fourth and subsequent points bring an automatic ejection.

Artest, who also hit Tim Duncan in the back of the head on one trip down the floor, took his share of punishment. On the game's opening possession, Ginobili elbowed him in the face while chasing the ball.

Artest needed three stitches to close the cut on his lip. He declined to talk to reporters Sunday for the second day in a row, citing the injury.

Different approaches: While Popovich gave the Spurs Sunday off, Sacramento coach Rick Adelman put his team through a two-hour film session followed by an hour-long practice.

Adelman thought it was important the Kings see the mistakes they made Saturday on film.

"We were very explicit with what went on," Adelman said. "They're the world champs, and they turned it up a notch — a big notch.

"You either respond to that or you don't ... I think they'll respond."

The Spurs will practice this afternoon.

No apologies necessary: If the Kings took offense to Nazr Mohammed's insult-on-top-of-injury 3-pointer in the closing seconds of Saturday's loss, they weren't letting on about it.

After Mohammed made the 3-pointer, the second of his career, he received a lengthy tongue-lashing from Popovich, who didn't want to give the Kings any reason to feel disrespected.

But Sacramento guard Mike Bibby said Mohammed's shot was understandable because the shot clock was winding down, and other Kings said they had bigger things to worry about than a garbage-time basket.

"The 30 points they beat us by was disrespectful," forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim "I'm more concerned with that than (Mohammed) hitting the 3."

Simply stated: It didn't take a genius for the Kings to determine why they were outrebounded badly in Game1 and what it will take to turn things around in Game2.

"We just have to rebound harder," starting guard Bonzi Wells said. "That's it. We've got to go get them. We thought somebody else was going to get them in the first game."
And I wonder who that somebody else was suppose to be?
 
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SpursIndonesia said:
Does the foul look intentional ? I mean, it's postseason, players get smacked left and right, that's expected in my book. Well, perhaps coach Pop is a bit on a protective side over Manu, since he's still his (our) best option down the stretch for big games like now.
Ginobili routinely makes suicidal and crazy rushes into the paint. I think Popovic knows it is just a matter of time before a opposing player gets tired of being humiliated by little guys. Ginobili is tough enough, but he is also mortal. The late three-pointer by their center was not the issue the other night. It was two relatively little guys running around in the paint with impunity for 36 minutes. Note the word "impunity", which I believe means "without penalty". Penalties, or better stated, retributions, are coming.
 
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Well, those incoming 'penalties' are not without consequence as well i believe. Perhaps your team should utilize some bigbodies off the bench for the enforcer role ? I must say, i doubt they can beat last year Sonics goons, and yet Manu and Tony was prevailing back then -though indeed, beside the final, that was the most competitively fought series for us along the path to the championship.
 
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SpursIndonesia said:
Well, those incoming 'penalties' are not without consequence as well i believe. Perhaps your team should utilize some bigbodies off the bench for the enforcer role ? I must say, i doubt they can beat last year Sonics goons, and yet Manu and Tony was prevailing back then -though indeed, beside the final, that was the most competitively fought series for us along the path to the championship.
I think the Kings can be tougher than the Spurs man-per-man if they simply respond in-kind. If Horry "accidently" pokes a defender in the eye, a King needs to poke a Spur in the eye. If Bowen slides under another jump shooter, or kicks a vunerable shooter in the face, a Spur needs to catch a a forearm in the chops. If Ginobili throws his body into the crowd under the basket, the Ukraine Train needs to throw his body into the covey of Spurs defenders. It's really very simple. Force against force. Quid pro quo.
 

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SpursIndonesia said:
Well, those incoming 'penalties' are not without consequence as well i believe. Perhaps your team should utilize some bigbodies off the bench for the enforcer role ? I must say, i doubt they can beat last year Sonics goons, and yet Manu and Tony was prevailing back then -though indeed, beside the final, that was the most competitively fought series for us along the path to the championship.
Just a heads up - There are some threads around here that it just might be best for you to avoid getting involved in. This just might end up being one of those threads.


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Oh yeah, Vitaly Potapenko, you guys actually have one of those Sonics goons now :D...............edit: OK, VF21, this would be my last comment in this thread, if you say so :)
 
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SpursIndonesia said:
Oh yeah, Vitaly Potapenko, you guys actually have one of those Sonics goons now :D
Come on now. How bad can a nice eastern European guy be when he is called the "Ukraine Train"? He's not heavy, he's my brother.

60s speak
 

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SpursIndonesia said:
Oh yeah, Vitaly Potapenko, you guys actually have one of those Sonics goons now :D...............edit: OK, VF21, this would be my last comment in this thread, if you say so :)
Not an order by any means, SpursIndonesia. I have no problem with you at all...

I was just giving you a heads up. I'm not sure what direction this thread might take considering the topic of the article in the first post.

It's all good.
 

Bricklayer

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Its just under review, probably at the request of somebody in San Antonio's hierarchy. Doesn't mean anything is going to be done about it. Let alone a flagrant 2. Just a very very minor story picked up by the San Antonio press, nothing to get ruffled over.
 
#19
i thought artest was headhunting in the second half.

to be honest, i didn't see the first half because my DVR failed to start because of the last-minute schedule change on bspn. i later saw the highlights of ginobili's elbow to artest's mouth.

normally, i'd say they should get equal consideration, but ginobili has zero flagrant fouls committed while artest has a history of them and suddenly found his forearm on at least three spurs' heads.

nowhere did i see anything that said someone from the spurs organization asked the league office to look at it. maybe ray allen called them on behalf of the spurs?
 

Bricklayer

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If Ron decides to headhunt, you'll be very aware of it, as will whichever courtside fatcat ends up with the decapitated head in his lap.
 

piksi

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Ron should have hit him harder and on several occasions. Manu is a wuss, crybaby, flpooer and a dirty player also. He is due a beating - really
 
#22
NBA Officiating = oxy moron

They're revewing whether-or-not to change a non-call

Just for kicks-n-grins - why not review ALL the other NON-CALLS they make that have a HUGE impact on the outcomes of many-many games.
 
#23
I hope this inspires Ron to play better for the rest of the series. Play tough and smart. I'm just afraid that this will make the refs whistle happy when it comes to Artest.
 
#24
while there are a handful of teams worthy and capable of winning it all,the refs still can change the outcome of a game or series.this is why some do and some don't get called for the same foul,its bulls...,a foul is a foul unless your ....."special"..not the first time the refs have screwed the KINGS,won't be the last:mad: :mad:
 
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Sacramento King Ron Artest has been suspended one game for making forearm contact with the head of Manu Ginolbi in the third period of Game 1, the NBA announced Monday. April 22, 2006.

Sacramento Bee/Randy Pench


Published 10:15 am PDT Monday, April 24, 2006[/B]

A hard foul by Ron Artest on San Antonio's Manu Ginobili on Saturday will prove costly to the Kings, who learned Monday that their forward has been suspended for Tuesday's playoff game by the NBA.
Artest was suspended one game for making forearm contact to the head of Ginobili during the third quarter of San Antonio's 122-88 win over the Kings, NBA senior vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson announced.
The incident occurred with 9:07 remaining in the third quarter of the playoff opener in San Antonio. Game 2 is Tuesday night, also in San Antonio. OAS_AD('Button20');

Artest and Ginobili had been involved in an incident early in the game when the Spurs forward elbowed Artest in the lip just 18 seconds into the playoff opener. [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]hmm... looks like it's official.:( That's really a bummer. [/FONT]
 
#27
I cant comment much on the refs because I dont see many games and I didnt see this Kings game. But, did anyone see the Lakers game last night??? I hate to be the one to stick up for Kobe, but he got slapped hard in the face going to the basket and it wasn't called. He actually had a cut and a lump on his head and it wasn't called. That just shows how bad the officials are. Why doesn't tim thomas get banned for that? Cause he's not Ron Artest. Hopefully this will provide some inspiration for the KINGS!