Arron Afflalo, Marco Belinelli, Trade, or Stay Put?

[Big Cuz 15]

if we trade nik for lance, vivek, bratz and gerbil need to be pimp slapped hard. the hand mark needs to be imprinted for weeks.

 

[Sac.1989]

We need a solid SG. Id rather keen Ben than Nik if we need to aquire one via trade.

I see us bringing in Afflalo, the Karl connection turns this into us outbidding the pack for his services. He's not what he was and if anything brings only a slight shade of consistency but i see his addition going much like Aaron Brooks addition, hyped but a lack of substance.

Belinelli would be a great pickup but i dont feel our brass is thinking like that. Karl will push Faried, Lawson and Afflalo and i wouldnt be suprised if we brought in two of them.

 

[Kingsguy881]

What does this Kings team need?
Stable coaching
When do they need it?
Now
When did they have it?
Malone..

Idiots.

 

[Siranthony]

People keep wanting to get rid of assets like SG's due to performance this year. This was not a season that can be judged in any meaningful way.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Ask me after the draft.

 

[Livinthedream]

What is the MAIN problem we have with our young 2 guards?

Consistency........per game stats aren't even going to show that.

I showed with stats in another thread that Ben is no more inconsistent on a game by game basis than Afflalo, Danny Green and a few others.

 

[Bricklayer]

The thing about Lance is it looks like an aggressively tone deaf move, BUT, there is major talent there. Its not a stupid move by not recognizing talent, it appears to be a bad fit move. Still...a guy with no talent will never have it, but a guy with talent who looks to be a bad fit...I say bad idea, but George Karl's strength is taking guys and making them fit. If he, not us, but he had a very specific idea of how he was going to use and maximize Lance I could be persuaded to give it a shot. I'd be waiting for it to all go south of course, but it would not inspire the sort of no, no NO resistance so many of our boneheaded talent misreads have done over the last decade.

 

[Bricklayer]

I showed with stats in another thread that Ben is no more inconsistent on a game by game basis than Afflalo, Danny Green and a few others.

Actually he is. Well, maybe not than Afflalo, but Afflalo was awful too this year. But Danny Green -- a marginal talent at best -- is "inconsistent" in the same way that many of the Spurs are inconsistent in these latter days. As part of a collective sometimes they are needed, sometimes they are not. Nobody is relied upon for production every night, so if Tony is hot or Kawhi is hot the ball just goes elsewhere, and Green's true point of steadiness is on defense. Ben on the other hand has been needed almost every night, and half the time he doesn't show up. 2/3 even. Really no excuse for it.

The thing is, the huge problem with Ben is not even so much Ben, its lack of options. When Ben is all you have and he doesn't show, you are screwed. And we have often been screwed. When Danny Green doesn't show there are always competent options. Bellinelli comes in, Manu comes in, Kawhi swings down, whatever.

 

[notoriousBEN3]

I think it's kind of important to note that while Ben has been inconsistent, it was only his 2nd year in the league, and he had 3 head coaches! I get it - if you want a playoff team this year, and upgrade may be critical. But overall, i think he showed he has game. He has holes in his game as well, but i think he is capable of playing good defense and hitting the 3, and i'm just not seeing a whole lot of available sg's out there that are clear upgrades.

Injury aside, if he can get healthy, i've always been a big Wes Mathews fan. Good defense, solid offense, good decision maker. I wouldn't mind taking a run at him and seeing if he would be able to come in on a reasonable deal. I would also think an important aspect of a vet sg would be the ability to mentor Ben and/or Nik, which would hopefully make them better players, without the vet having to necessarily be the starter or the main contributor.

 

[Iced Espresso]

Mo Williams may leave in FA, so McCallum gives them a cheap backup point guard that still has some upside.

They were rumored to be interested in Sessions before they got Mo Williams, so I think McCallum is a viable sweetener to move Landry for Stephenson

Losing Ray is worth never having Lance suit up and getting out of the Landry contract.

Obviously I hope it works out with Lance however, and I believe it could work out in theory.

 

[Livinthedream]

Actually he is. Well, maybe not than Afflalo, but Afflalo was awful too this year. But Danny Green -- a marginal talent at best -- is "inconsistent" in the same way that many of the Spurs are inconsistent in these latter days. As part of a collective sometimes they are needed, sometimes they are not. Nobody is relied upon for production every night, so if Tony is hot or Kawhi is hot the ball just goes elsewhere, and Green's true point of steadiness is on defense. Ben on the other hand has been needed almost every night, and half the time he doesn't show up. 2/3 even. Really no excuse for it.

The thing is, the huge problem with Ben is not even so much Ben, its lack of options. When Ben is all you have and he doesn't show, you are screwed. And we have often been screwed. When Danny Green doesn't show there are always competent options. Bellinelli comes in, Manu comes in, Kawhi swings down, whatever.

Which supports what I've been saying that we need to round out the team rather than focus simply on replacing Ben and Nik.

 

[Livinthedream]

I think it's kind of important to note that while Ben has been inconsistent, it was only his 2nd year in the league, and he had 3 head coaches! I get it - if you want a playoff team this year, and upgrade may be critical. But overall, i think he showed he has game. He has holes in his game as well, but i think he is capable of playing good defense and hitting the 3, and i'm just not seeing a whole lot of available sg's out there that are clear upgrades.

Injury aside, if he can get healthy, i've always been a big Wes Mathews fan. Good defense, solid offense, good decision maker. I wouldn't mind taking a run at him and seeing if he would be able to come in on a reasonable deal. I would also think an important aspect of a vet sg would be the ability to mentor Ben and/or Nik, which would hopefully make them better players, without the vet having to necessarily be the starter or the main contributor.

Very true. But it's not even critical to upgrade that position. It's critical to start building the bench.

 

[Bricklayer]

Very true. But it's not even critical to upgrade that position. It's critical to start building the bench.

No its absolutely critical to upgrade that position. Or at least upgrade it so far Ben is no more than a platoon guy you play when he's hot and bench when he's not. That SG spot is actually a REALLY critical one going forward. We don't need, nor can we fit, a star there. but we badly need a totally dependable 3 and D roleplayer. With Cuz and Gay as our two offensive cornerstones, that SG spot has a lot put on it. That's got to be where you get your perimeter stopper from, and its got to be where you get flat knock down 3pt shooting from. Not created off the bounce, but simply a catch and shoot marksman. If Collison is the PG, as my Teams of the Great Centers study suggested, it also becomes a place where you need supplmental balhandling from. Its actually got a very specific, and quite lengthy, set of requirements attached to it for us.

 

[Livinthedream]

No its absolutely critical to upgrade that position. Or at least upgrade it so far Ben is no more than a platoon guy you play when he's hot and bench when he's not. That SG spot is actually a REALLY critical one going forward. We don't need, nor can we fit, a star there. but we badly need a totally dependable 3 and D roleplayer. With Cuz and Gay as our two offensive cornerstones, that SG spot has a lot put on it. That's got to be where you get your perimeter stopper from, and its got to be where you get flat knock down 3pt shooting from. Not created off the bounce, but simply a catch and shoot marksman. If Collison is the PG, as my Teams of the Great Centers study suggested, it also becomes a place where you need supplmental balhandling from. Its actually got a very specific, and quite lengthy, set of requirements attached to it for us.

The player you're describing is exactly what Ben was under Malone. Karl changed his role. So it's not a matter of inability to play the 3 &D role. It's what Karl wants out of him that is different.

 

[Gilles]

Ben didn't touch the ball very often, when playing with starters this season, to say, that a better ballhandler in his place would've improved this team's offense. Now getting quality vet behind/sometimes instead of him is definitely a must.