Are The Kings better without Webber ?

[Andriod_KiNg]

I love Chris Webber and always will because what he did for Sacramento he is my favorite player on this team ...so dont start to flame me ....just like to see what you guys think... at first i looked at the trade and it looked horrible, but as the past couple of days went on i relized that it was a smart trade... the last 2 seasons the Kings are 38-31 with Webber and 51-16 without him... i think the offense its more efficent when he is not there... Since the Kings can score with Bibby, Mobley, Miller , Peja and Songila , i think the addition of Thomas, Williamson and Skinner can bring rebounding , low post defense and offense... also it makes it easier to manage the cap... we got three smaller contracts that can be easily traded.... so what do you guys think ?

 

[BigWaxer]

Need to add the option of undecided.

 

[Gary]

Yes I think they are.

 

[Heuge]

Absolutely not.

 

[love_them_kings]

Not this year!! Our chances at winning anything this year dropped significantly when Webb was traded. Depending on how his health holds up, this may or may not have been a good trade for the future, but boy it hurts like hell now.

 

[Ryle]

Geez, can we at least see how the new guys assimilate into the team before we decided whether or not we are better without him???


I'm a big Webb fan and was pissed about the trade but let's at least see how this turns out.

 

[Bricklayer]

And of course there are nuances too -- I don't think we're better PERIOD. But beyond that, I think there is another level -- did our chances to win a title go up or down? And its unquestinably down simply because we are now the Sacramento Mavericks -- no defense, no post game, only one legit big man, and he's a perimeter guy. Just not a formula that works in May.

 

[mazzystar]

I voted yes, but not right now. Kings are not better now, but I have faith that Petrie will do what's needed to turn this team around. Hopefully, defense is the number one priority.. HoPeFulLy.. I think they will be better in the long run, without his huge contract. But, mad love to Cwebb... Gonna miss him.

 

[iheartBrad]

>>too early to tell<<

 

[uolj]

In the long run - probably. But in the short run I think they would have been better off with him, and I'd probably have taken my chances for the short-term and risked the long-term if I were in Petrie's shoes (knowing what little I know).

 

[Bibby_10]

Im a huge Webber fan so my answer is no... BUT, I have this weird gut feeling that Peja is going to really pick up his game when he finally gets healthy. When he does we will be a great team again.

 

[G_M]

no defense, no post game

Isn't that where we were with Webber and his contract? When's the last time Webber had a post game?

 

[Bricklayer]

Isn't that where we were with Webber and his contract? When's the last time Webber had a post game?

This season, if you watched at all.

Not as much as people would have wanted, but at times even dominant with it (see Phoenix, gm 1). The threat was there, and we had the ability to slow the game and attack the middle. Now there's none.

 

[bibbyweb]

We are not better without Webber. With him we had chances this season. But without him the season is gone.
Lets see if it benefits us in the comming years.

 

[G_M]

This season, if you watched at all.

Not to be argumentative but his POST games were far and few between. Wasn't that really part of the problem down the strecth of close games? No one to take the ball into the post. Not that this trade fixes that just trying to be fair about the state of Webber's game. I don't think his kneww allowed him to battle in the post like he could before his injury.

I counted six games for Webber where he had ZERO free throw attempts.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I guess that depends on which Webber we are talking about the guy that averages 20-10-5 and just naild 3 triple doubles? NO. The injured player sitting on the side line or rehababing into a line up in the post season? Sure.

 

[Folsom Al]

Need Another Option ...

Too early to tell

 

[bozzwell]

Wrong poll.

There is no team in the NBA today that would not miss player like Webber.

Then again, these are the Kings. Way too much offence, and just got some rebounding and defence (although, of the "scrubs" kind).

We're in this for the long haul.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I am not voting yet, on a count of that it is way, WAY to early to tell.

I can tell you that last year, we were clearly better without Webber. He came back and screwed everything up, but that was because he wasn't with the team to practice a lot.

It is way to early to tell you right now.

 

[bleedpurple]

The Kings are not better without Webber. There may be games, and moments, when they are. But for any length of time beyond that, they are not. And they will not be better without Webber for a long time. It's a shame really.

 

[piksi]

better talentwise - NO

better outlook for the future - YES

better this season - would not make any difference since the chances of winning it all were minimal to begin with

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Just my 4 cents:

Rebounding and defense-

Guys I just don't see it. I don't see how Thomas, Skinner and Corliss bring that to the team, or at the very least enough to significantly impact the team. Everyone keeps saying that Chris was a defensive liability, newsflash, everyone on the team is pretty much a defensive liability. Are those three guys going to make Mike a better defender? Brad? Cat? If you think so, please help me understand.

Offensively-

You know if we had somehow gotten a guard out of this, then maybe things would look brighter, but Mike and Cat are going to have to play even bigger and more important min. the rest of the way in order for the Kings to win. "The Kings" as we know it are dead as is gone, no more in existence. The Kings team that the whole world fell in love with, the Kings team that was special because they were unlike everyone else, the Kings team that others have tried to imitate is no more. Now, we're just like any other team. Mike is going to have to be more of a PG and Brad is now our only (slightly) above average passer for a big man.

The intangibles-

This year, Chris was a leader. He talked the talk and he walked the walk. He made things happen in crunch time. He was a presence that cannot be replaced.

Are the Kings better without Webber?

Right now, a resounding NO

I have given Petrie the benefit of the doubt, and 1 year to make everyone see the light in this trade. Chris had a big contract, yes that is a fact. He is a question mark when it comes to health, yes that is a fact. Three smaller contracts are easier to move, yes that is a fact as well. So in that aspect alone you can perhaps see where Petire is coming from. As mentioned somewhere else, he just singed a 5 year extension, meaning he has plans for this team and needed some sort of flexibility (albeit small right now) going forward. Yet, that does not take away from the fact that I am a fan and as a fan you can't (don't want to) think farther ahead than this season and this season alone....well unless you are just a bad team and the "future" is the only thing that gives you hope and keeps you sane. But, getting back to the subject matter. We will not go farther this season than we would have with Webb still in purple and black. I still believed in that team. To me there was only one team better than Kings, the Spurs. And even at that they weren't head and shoulders better. IMHO, you could have put PHX, SEA , DAL and the Kings all in one bunch and in the playoffs, and in 29 games to go, anything could have happened. It was a chance I believe was still worth taking.

 

[SacTownKid]

We lose out on the passing end, but without a doubt pick up in rebounding (not statistcally, but those crucial rebounds that count in the end) and defense. The more I think about this trade the more I like it.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I don't think anybody should vote right now.

Have you guys seen the Kings without Webber and with the new players this year? NO.

Have you seen the kIngs without Webber in 10 consevutive games? NO.

NOBODY can judge this question right now. At the least number of games, you can judge this is when 10 games have past.

 

[SaCTowNFeveR]

Time will tell, but I think we can still be very competitive without Webber. We'll see.

 

[Bricklayer]

We lose out on the passing end, but without a doubt pick up in rebounding (not statistcally, but those crucial rebounds that count in the end) and defense. The more I think about this trade the more I like it.

Without a doubt pick up in rebounding? Man, those are some serious shades you've got on. If we are LUCKY, these guys can just about replace Webb on the boards. Maybe. Not sure how anybody came to the conclusion that these guys were going to be grabbing big clutch rebounds. Actually Thomas, while a respectable player on the boards, does much of his work on the OFFENSIVE glass with hustle, while on the defensive glass, our real weakness, he often gets boarded over because of his height. Corliss has never been a boarder. And Skinner is unlikley to play, and certainly not in clutch time.

 

[KP]

Without a doubt pick up in rebounding? Man, those are some serious shades you've got on. If we are LUCKY, these guys can just about replace Webb on the boards. Maybe. Not sure how anybody came to the conclusion that these guys were going to be grabbing big clutch rebounds. Actually Thomas, while a respectable player on the boards, does much of his work on the OFFENSIVE glass with hustle, while on the defensive glass, our real weakness, he often gets boarded over because of his height. Corliss has never been a boarder. And Skinner is unlikley to play, and certainly not in clutch time.

We certainly missed Webbs clutch rebounding last night. The guy just held on to everything.

 

[Brewer16]

Its way too early to tell..we havent even played a game with the new players

 

[KP]

Is the team better without Chris? ...Not right now. I'm assuming thats the question.

 

[sauce-26]

are they better off without webber? it all depends significantly on what happens this summer.