Anthony Randolph?

Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56096/20081220/report_nellie_tells_randolph_to_seek_trade/

Nelson is such a rookie killer, perhaps we can save Randolph. He's got the makings of a good mid range game, handles good enough to play the 2, can block shots, quick/explosive, good passing/vision, and already a good rebounder. He needs to work on his decision making, shot selection, and off ball play, but he's got all-star potential and even though we have a ton of 3's right now, we have no one who really stands out as a future starter. Don't know what it would take to get him, but it's something to think about.
 
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Question is who do we trade him for!?

im pretty sure they will want Jason Thompson or Spencer hawes. i saw Nelson drool when spencer took those jumpshots lol

what can we give them.... hmmmm

Sacramento Trades

Beno Udrih
Quincy Douby
1st round Pick Houston
2nd round pick

Golden State Trades

Anthony Randolph
Marcus Williams
Ronny Turiaf

Turiaf is a filler mind you.... shorter contract than udrih... what were after here is anthony randolph..

then we trade john salmons we get a final line up of..

some of you may disagree on throwing in the 2 picks.. but im seeing that its like we already drafted via acquisition of Randolph the guy is young long and athletic as some said he cant be strong enough to play the 4 so we play him at the wing...

Williams/Brown/Jackson
Martin/Garcia
Randolph/Greene
Thompson/Moore/Turiaf
Hawes/Miller

thats a BIG line up :D
 
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GSW is begging for a PG right now... face it jamal crawford even SJ at the 1!?

monta wont be able to play PG that you can put your money on... and nelson loves shooters and small balls....

nelson loves people who would not waste more than 6 seconds on the shot clock and lob a three

we give them both

Douby a three point shooter
Udrih a pg that can play alongside monta ellis

and the picks to sweeten the deal
 
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You would think.. here;s hte thing though. Jsut a couple of days ago there were reports that Golden State wouldn't trade Randolph or Wright for Raymond Felton -- that they wanted to keep hold of their young bigs and would not part with them except for a major impact player.

Then this morning the Bay Area papers appear to have full of articles about how Randolph and Nellie were at odds, and how Nellie was desperate to get rid of the kids and they (the paper) were betting Wright would be gone by the trade deadline.

Now if the second set of stories is true...then yeah, all over that. No idea if they'll deal wiht a NorCal rival right now, but I feel nothing but pity for Warriors fans, who like the Bobcats fans are being ruined right now by tired old men who have no use for a future because they don't have one themselves. All the youth and chances at rebuilding those franchises have been trying to accumulate look like they may be pawned off for a short burst of veteran mdeiocrity before the old coaches retire. And if that indeed is the way its going to play out, then I am all over being a part of it. Bring back one, bring back both. Let's load up and in essence give ourselves 2 or 3 picks from each of the last couple of drafts as well as our two coming up this summer.
 
Bricklayer said:
You would think.. here;s hte thing though. Jsut a couple of days ago there were reports that Golden State wouldn't trade Randolph or Wright for Raymond Felton -- that they wanted to keep hold of their young bigs and would not part with them except for a major impact player.

Then this morning the Bay Area papers appear to have full of articles about how Randolph and Nellie were at odds, and how Nellie was desperate to get rid of the kids and they (the paper) were betting Wright would be gone by the trade deadline.

Now if the second set of stories is true...then yeah, all over that. No idea if they'll deal wiht a NorCal rival right now, but I feel nothing but pity for Warriors fans, who like the Bobcats fans are being ruined right now by tired old men who have no use for a future because they don't have one themselves. All the youth and chances at rebuilding those franchises have been trying to accumulate look like they may be pawned off for a short burst of veteran mdeiocrity before the old coaches retire. And if that indeed is the way its going to play out, then I am all over being a part of it. Bring back one, bring back both. Let's load up and in essence give ourselves 2 or 3 picks from each of the last couple of drafts as well as our two coming up this summer.
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well im speculating the possibility of acquiring randolph... the trade checker cleared it but the other factors may play on it... GP might or might not do something at the moment...

so your saying your game for trading for Randolph?

the warriors gm not canning nelson for driving out the young kids? im pretty surprised with that... im guessing they would try to cling on to a proven playoff coach than to test the coaching waters and legitimately go back to the Warriors of the early 2000s... man warriors went down THAT FAST
 
We could've potentially drafted Randolph, but I don't think he's a real pressing need right now. We have three bigs we're trying to develop already in Hawes, Thompson, and Greene, and we don't really need Randolph, who's 6'10" but quite versatile. I've seen some nice things from him already in his flashes (seems like a good rebounder, aggressive guy, willing to dunk over guys), but I doubt the Warriors would ever trade with us. I like how he's born from Wurzburg, Germany though. Nice.
 
His future is probably at SF, I don't think Greene is really special enough of a talent to deter us from going after Randolph. Randolph is much more talented than Greene.
 
I'm all for getting Randolph, I liked him in this past draft. But his frame really worries me. If we were to acquire him, we'd have the skinniest 2/3 combo EVER in Martin and Randolph :eek:. But the guy is extremely talented, no doubt about it.
 
Bricklayer said:
You would think.. here;s hte thing though. Jsut a couple of days ago there were reports that Golden State wouldn't trade Randolph or Wright for Raymond Felton -- that they wanted to keep hold of their young bigs and would not part with them except for a major impact player.

Then this morning the Bay Area papers appear to have full of articles about how Randolph and Nellie were at odds, and how Nellie was desperate to get rid of the kids and they (the paper) were betting Wright would be gone by the trade deadline.

Now if the second set of stories is true...then yeah, all over that. No idea if they'll deal wiht a NorCal rival right now, but I feel nothing but pity for Warriors fans, who like the Bobcats fans are being ruined right now by tired old men who have no use for a future because they don't have one themselves. All the youth and chances at rebuilding those franchises have been trying to accumulate look like they may be pawned off for a short burst of veteran mdeiocrity before the old coaches retire. And if that indeed is the way its going to play out, then I am all over being a part of it. Bring back one, bring back both. Let's load up and in essence give ourselves 2 or 3 picks from each of the last couple of drafts as well as our two coming up this summer.
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Exactly. I'm drooling over Brewer, Randolph, Noah, and Julian Wright. I'd like to pick up some of these players on the cheap. Take advantage of some of the impatience of these other teams and other coaches. Having seen Julian Wright in the playoffs last year, I can't figure out why he's in the dog house. Is he injured? He can make an immediate impact on defense, and he's not bad on offense either. My dream is for Petrie to arrange some three way deal that trades Salmons and send us Noah, Wright and a #1 in exchange.
 
Vlade4GM said:
His future is probably at SF, I don't think Greene is really special enough of a talent to deter us from going after Randolph. Randolph is much more talented than Greene.
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I watched both quite a bit last year. I would have given the edge to Randolph on a slightly more advanced skill set. The knock on Randolph has been his work ethic, or lack there of. I don't pay a lot of attention to that when their so young, but it was a little bit of a red flag. all things being equal, I would prefer to have both. Randolph has a better post game than Greene, and I could see him playing PF in the right situation.
 
If there's a way to pick up Randolph without giving up Jason or Spencer, I'd pull the trigger, and that includes throwing in Donte if needed. I'm not too concerned with his frame as a SF, but I don't see him ever developing into a PF, just a really long SF and that's okay. He has point-forward level ballhandling skills and has been putting up outlandish rebound and block numbers in his limited minutes. He can give a team dimensions at the 3 that most don't have in this dime-a-dozen type of swingman league. Randolph is more of a scorer than a shooter at this stage, but shooting is probably the only category where Greene has the edge. I'm really doubtful that Nellie would give him up though, even if there's some kind of rift.
 
Vlade4GM said:
His future is probably at SF, I don't think Greene is really special enough of a talent to deter us from going after Randolph. Randolph is much more talented than Greene.
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Either way, there are worst problems to have than having too much, good young talent. If we can get Randolph or Wright by giving GS a veteran, that would make it more likely we could either aquire a star in a trade or move up in the draft. #6 + young player for #2 is a very realistic scenario depending upon team needs.
 
bajaden said:
I watched both quite a bit last year. I would have given the edge to Randolph on a slightly more advanced skill set. The knock on Randolph has been his work ethic, or lack there of. I don't pay a lot of attention to that when their so young, but it was a little bit of a red flag. all things being equal, I would prefer to have both. Randolph has a better post game than Greene, and I could see him playing PF in the right situation.
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Randolph has the skills to play PF, but he'd have to add some serious strength before he can play it on a consistent basis. Randolph is head and shoulders above Greene IMO, Randolph beats him athletically and in length. Greene has better shooting ability, strength and that's about it.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Randolph has the skills to play PF, but he'd have to add some serious strength before he can play it on a consistent basis.
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I wouldn't particularly want him to be a PF though. What I like about Randolph more than Wright is that he can be a SF with really unique qualities rather than a skinny PF, which is all that Wright can be.
 
NME said:
I wouldn't particularly want him to be a PF though. What I like about Randolph more than Wright is that he can be a SF with really unique qualities rather than a skinny PF, which is all that Wright can be.
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Yeah, I'm just saying he can be. He's got good length and lateral quickness, so he can guard some PF's. If/when Randolph improves his mid range shot, he can realistically play the 2-4 positions. Randolph's point-forward potential is also very useful for us.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Randolph has the skills to play PF, but he'd have to add some serious strength before he can play it on a consistent basis. Randolph is head and shoulders above Greene IMO, Randolph beats him athletically and in length. Greene has better shooting ability, strength and that's about it.
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Before we get all carried away with this head and shoulders thing, I thought I would revisit the orginal figures from the predraft camp. They have no meaning what so ever as to whether a player can play or not, but they are a starting reference pt.

Randolph: (Weight- 197 pounds) (Height, w/o shoes- 6'9") (Height w/shoes-6'10") (Wingspan- 7'3") (Standing reach- 9'1") (Standing vertical- 29") (Max vertical- 35") (Lane agility test- 11.86) (3/4 court sprint- 3.26)

Greene: (Weight- 221) (Height, w/o shoes-6'8 1/4") (Height w/shoes- 6'9") (Wingspan- 6'10") (Standing reach- 9'0") (Standing vertical- 27 1/2") (Max vertical- 32") (Lane agility test- 11.21) (3/4 court sprint- 3.20)

Wright: (Weight- 200) Height, w/o shoes- 6'8 3/4") (Height w/shoes- 6'10") (Wingspan- 7'4") (Standing reach- 9'0") (Standing vertical- 30 1/2") (Max vertical- 35 1/2") (Lane agility test- 11.76) (3/4 court sprint- 3.31)

All three are actually quite similar. An inch here or there, but for the most part pretty similar. Advantage in lateral quickness goes to Greene. Advantage in leaping ability goes to Wright. Standing reach is almost the same. Full court speed goes to Greene again, but there's really not a lot of difference between him and Randolph.

So it comes down to whats your pick of poison? There's no guarantee on any of them. Greene is the best shooter. Randolph and Wright have better post games. Randolph has a history of having attitude problems and lack of work ethic. Greene seems to have a great attitude. Wright should be remarkably better than Randolph at this time, but he's not. Is it him or the coaching? Its probably all moot anyway, because the trade is doubtful.
 
Athletic testing isn't the end all be all in determining athleticism, I'm going based on what I've seen. I think Randolph is much more explosive and laterally quick than Greene. He has better ball handling, much better passing, and the makings of a better mid range game. Defensive potential and rebounding is also in Randolph's advantange over Greene.
 
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Smills91 said:
Randolph = ALL HYPE, ZERO SUBSTANCE.
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eh Im not sold on him either

hes in the mold of the Tyrus Thomas, Travis Outlaw, and Stromile Swifts

very athletic, shows a lot of promise, but who knows if they can develop a game to be successful on this level. Only that makes me think twice about Randolph is his notable ball handling skills -- however I doubt the guys gona be a 20/10 type guy.

Said it @ Draft day and ill say it again though, IMO id take him over Jason. More Athletic, good ball handler, better shot blocker, and younger with much more room to grow
 
IMO id take him over Jason. More Athletic, good ball handler, better shot blocker, and younger with much more room to grow
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Randolph isnt a 4, JT has an nba body. Randolph weighs 215lbs i think.....I like what i am seeing from Greene. Green is very athletic, yes he isnt as good of a ball handler....but thats what a point guard is for.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Athletic testing isn't the end all be all in determining athleticism, I'm going based on what I've seen. I think Randolph is much more explosive and laterally quick than Greene. He has better ball handling, much better passing, and the makings of a better mid range game. Defensive potential and rebounding is also in Randolph's advantange over Greene.
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Something isn't right about those numbers anyway. How can one guy have a larger height and wingspan than another, but a smaller standing reach?
 
Vlade4GM said:
Athletic testing isn't the end all be all in determining athleticism, I'm going based on what I've seen. I think Randolph is much more explosive and laterally quick than Greene. He has better ball handling, much better passing, and the makings of a better mid range game. Defensive potential and rebounding is also in Randolph's advantange over Greene.
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We all see what we want to see. I have no dog in this hunt and I'm not related to either of them. I'm just telling you what I've seen. I gave the edge to Randolph, but not by the degree your willing to give.

Also, I believe I stated at the begining of that post that the testing was in no way an indicator of how the player played the game. It was merely a starting reference.

Let me say something about lateral quickness. People confuse speed and quickness all the time. Its like the difference between a racehorse and a quarterhorse. One's fast and one's quick. Lateral quickness is god given. You either have it or you don't. There's also reflex action and the ability to anticipate. So its really a combination of god given physcial ability combined with good reflexes and mental anticipation. If you have all three, your Kobe or Jordan. Bird didn't have the first, but he had the others and was a good defender.

My point is, that you can have all the tools, but if you don't put in the mental work, your still just average. This is where my problem with Randolph arises. He has a reputation of having a bad work ethic. I'll admit that he could be getting a bad rap, but it is something you have to pay attention to.
 
D-Rock said:
Something isn't right about those numbers anyway. How can one guy have a larger height and wingspan than another, but a smaller standing reach?
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These numbers aren't unusual. It happens all the time. A long neck or a large head could explain part of it, but I'll admit it does look strange. The one that always cracks me up is when two players are the same height w/out shoes, but one is taller with shoes. Must be wearing highheels.
 
bajaden said:
These numbers aren't unusual. It happens all the time. A long neck or a large head could explain part of it, but I'll admit it does look strange. The one that always cracks me up is when two players are the same height w/out shoes, but one is taller with shoes. Must be wearing highheels.
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That would be my plan if I was ever in the draft. They don't regulate shoes at all (seems very odd to me), so I would just show up in 12'' heels and make myself 6'11''
 
DoDiGaG0 said:
eh Im not sold on him either

hes in the mold of the Tyrus Thomas, Travis Outlaw, and Stromile Swifts

very athletic, shows a lot of promise, but who knows if they can develop a game to be successful on this level. Only that makes me think twice about Randolph is his notable ball handling skills -- however I doubt the guys gona be a 20/10 type guy.

Said it @ Draft day and ill say it again though, IMO id take him over Jason. More Athletic, good ball handler, better shot blocker, and younger with much more room to grow
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lol, dude are you sure you don't have the two mixed up because that's just straight up wrong.
 
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