Anthony Randolph (& Biedrins!)

Not now, but he's only 20...but there's a long list of slender athletic PF's and C's that were too thin when they were young, but added weight and matched up fine. How big were Rasheed, Garnett, Joe Smith, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom, and Marcus Camby when they were 20? How big was Chris Bosh?...Now even among that group he's pretty skinny and he'll have touch matchups when he plays bulky 4's...but I think he'll hold his own and in a couple years it won't be a major matchup issue. Of course, how are those guys going to hold him down?

Edit: Since I mentioned all the guys who DID work out, it'd be fair to mention he's built a lot like Jonathan Bender too.

I think you could make that case for a lot of players, but that doesn't mean thats the best postion for a player. I just think he's a natural SF and because of his size and other attributes he could be a star at that position. But since you asked, Horry, Odom, Bosh, and Smith were all considerably bigger than Randolph. Even Camby who is still slender probably weighed more than Randolph. Thats not really the point though. I've watched Randolph a lot and he's more of a perimiter player, who is capable of going inside. He's a very good rebounder for a SF. Guys like Al Jefferson would post him up all day long at the PF position.
 
I think you could make that case for a lot of players, but that doesn't mean thats the best postion for a player. I just think he's a natural SF and because of his size and other attributes he could be a star at that position. But since you asked, Horry, Odom, Bosh, and Smith were all considerably bigger than Randolph. Even Camby who is still slender probably weighed more than Randolph. Thats not really the point though. I've watched Randolph a lot and he's more of a perimiter player, who is capable of going inside. He's a very good rebounder for a SF. Guys like Al Jefferson would post him up all day long at the PF position.

Camby was listed at 223 lbs when he came into the league.
 
Greene at the 2?

Starting lineup of

Reke
Greene
Randolph
Thompson
Biedrins

I would seriously consider it. Or at least try it givne Donte's surprising competence out there thus far. Throw in Casspi off the bench as a 6th man and you would have a huge and athletic lineup full of long athletes.


And no, as an aside I am not giving up on Donte. As I mentioned a couple of games ago I think I may be more excited abut the potential that Donte has shown than any other King than Reke. Love Casspi too. Not interested in losing them or giving up on them. Am interested however in adding yet another long talented kid to join them and create the most exciting young squad in the NBA. Then am interested in going out and kicking some people's teeth in.
 
I would seriously consider it. Or at least try it givne Donte's surprising competence out there thus far. Throw in Casspi off the bench as a 6th man and you would have a huge and athletic lineup full of long athletes.


And no, as an aside I am not giving up on Donte. As I mentioned a couple of games ago I think I may be more excited abut the potential that Donte has shown than any other King than Reke. Love Casspi too. Not interested in losing them or giving up on them. Am interested however in adding yet another long talented kid to join them and create the most exciting young squad in the NBA. Then am interested in going out and kicking some people's teeth in.

Well that would be one of the biggest lineups in the NBA. And one of the youngest. I'm not sure just who we gave up to get this lineup, so I don't know who would be on the bench. I'm assuming Martin is gone since he's not starting.
 
I think you could make that case for a lot of players, but that doesn't mean thats the best postion for a player. I just think he's a natural SF and because of his size and other attributes he could be a star at that position. But since you asked, Horry, Odom, Bosh, and Smith were all considerably bigger than Randolph. Even Camby who is still slender probably weighed more than Randolph. Thats not really the point though. I've watched Randolph a lot and he's more of a perimiter player, who is capable of going inside. He's a very good rebounder for a SF. Guys like Al Jefferson would post him up all day long at the PF position.

I'll agree to disagree on that. The measurements at the combine capture a his weight on April 15 2008 when he was 19, in the year and a half since then I'm sure he's added weigt to at least get in range within what some of those guys were at the same age. 215-220. Maybe you've got a good read on that scouting report in regards to him being a perimeter player, but it sounds like the same tune I've heard about a number of the guys I listed.

You're right that Jefferson would post him, but if he played with JT. JT would mark Jefferson and Randolph would mark Love. Love is meaty too, but quite frankly I think Ranolph would torch Love in that matchup. OVerall there's just not a lot of teams with two legit post scorers that would creat matchup problems.

FWIW - Nelly is delusional, but he's played all his minutes at C this year.
 
Even if he does not start for a few years it would create match up problems for other teams. As i stated before lets get it done even if we throw in our pick.
 
Just get rid of one, two, or all non-defending players we have and I will be happy. It would be better to get rid of those one dimensional players, lest they reinfect the whole team with their softness again. And I hope it happens ASAP. If it is possible Matin and Hawes for Bidriens and Randolph is fine. Or, they can also have Beno too.
 
Just remember when your comparing JT and Randolph, that one is a PF and the other is a SF. Yeah, I know Randolph is susposed to 7 feet tall, but unless he grew three inches in the past year he's not. Doesn't matter anyway. He just doesn't have the muscle or bulk on him to match up at the PF position on a regular basis. However I would love to see him at the SF position next to Thompson.

Well actually here's the problem with Randolph. He is not a SF. Living in SanFran I come across a lot of Warrior games; Nelson tried him at SF, it was a disaster. He is not a SF.

He is not really a PF either, like you said; although this is probably his most natural position. He is not a center even though he is being used as one now. I think he is destined for a Sixth Man type role but I don't think AR wants that role.

So my problem with AR is that he doesn't have a position. Where are we going to put him? And speaking of which, I think people shouldn't blame Nelson for not starting AR, quite frankly Nelson also finds it impossible to fit AR to a starting position.

I wouldn't break the bank to get him, but there is NO WAY in hell the Warriors are giving him up without someone breaking the bank for him.

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absolutely this would be great for the Kings. I don't know if the Warriors would do it, but we should do it in a second. If the warriors insisted on dumping Maggette in the deal I would proably include the KT expiring and give Maggette the KT treatment for the rest of his contract.

The starting lineup someone posted earlier looked amazing, plus you would still have a likely lottory pick for next year as well. With that team and a lotto pick we're done rebuilding, we're a scary team with a HUGE window.
 
I was reading this article for its tidbit about the Maloofs thinking it was a good idea to cozy up with gamblers to help the integrity of the game :eek: when I noticed the next section which mentioned that the Warriors have been making Anthony Randolph available again and are desperate to make a move for more immediate help.

For those who don't know, Randolph is a 2nd year 21yr old hyper-athletic 6'10" SF/PF who has shown flashes of brilliance but has been unable to sustain (and he is another player who does not get along with Nellie). He is a freaky rebounder for his lack of bulk, a shotblocker, Just last week he dropped 28pts 13rebs 5ast 1stl 1blk on Orlando. And still the Warriros are stupid and appear willing to move him for immediate help. Well, I think we may be able to "help" them.

Randolph has value, they know it, so they aren't going to just give him away. And he has a teammate who has occasinally been suggestd as an answer for us as well -- 6'11" C Andris Biedrins, who averaged 11pts 11rebs and 1.6blks last season, but has been hurt pretty much all year this year. It may seem that he has been aroudn forever, but he came into the league at 18 and is still only 23 himself. Neither Biedrins nor Randolph are phsyical bangers, whihc might hurt us eventually -- they are both skinny. But they get the job done on the glass and wiht shotblocking, things we are desperate for. If the Warriors too are deperate, now is the time to strike. I see two realistic possiblities:

1)
Kevin Martin $10.2mil (4years)
Sean May $1.0mil (ender)

for

Andris Biedrins $9mil (5 years)
Anthony Randolph $1.8mil (3 years)

positives: we instantly get big long and atheltic up front, have a three man big man rotation of Hawes/JT/Biedrins, and can use have Randolph as an atheltic mismatch PF against the right opponents. We gain a ton of shotblocking, length, and rebounding. Meanwhile Nellie gains another small running guard that he lusts over, and Kevin could well average 25ppg for them as their "immediate help". The Ellis/Martin all softie scorer bckcourt comes into being, just for a different team.
negatives: we use up the Kevin chip, and since we took 2 players back for 1 injured one, until we moved Noc as well minutes would be tight up front. And is even Nellie nutty enoguh to trade away his frontcourt fro Kevin and contiue starting Mikki and maybe even Sean May until Turiaf and Wright come back from injury?

2)
Andres Nocioni $7.5mil (3 years)
Spencer Hawes $2.3mil (2 years)

for

Andris Biedrins $9mil (5 years)
Anthony Randolph $1.8mil (3 years)

positives: an equal positional swap, minutes are just switched form Hawes to Biedrins and from Noc to Randolph. We get younger, more atheltic, and better on the glass. We keep Kevin. The Warriors get some of their immediate help, Nellie quite possibly gets his dream starting PF/C and has both guys chucking threes all night long.
negatives: we don't get the three big man frontcourt we would under the other trade, and are still left with just two, now Biedrins and JT, although Randolph is a more legit 4/3 option than Noc. We don't solve the minutes crunch when Kevin and Cisoc return. We get a young talent, but give up one too in Hawes. The Warriors lose their only shotblocking/rebounding and don't get back the flashy potential impact player in Kevin. They might be able to get a better offer for a randolph/Biedrins package.


I noticed the same tidbit in that article. I would jump at either of those trades. Martin and May for Biedrens and Randolph would give us a crazy front line.

As hit shot develops, Randolph could potentially play the 3 as well. I can just picture the Kings trotting out a lineup of Reke, Green, Randolph, JT, Hawes/Biedrens and having a 6'5'' long PG and 4 6'10 and taller players. Imagine the pressure D that lineup could play. Or if we could bring in Casspi for Green if we wanted to play "small ball" ;)
 
If either one of those trades happened, I would be smiling for the rest of the week. Most of the rebuilding would be done, and in 2 years, theres no team that would be able to touch us in terms of size or talent, not even the blazers.
 
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