Anthony Randolph (& Biedrins!)

Bricklayer

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I was reading this article for its tidbit about the Maloofs thinking it was a good idea to cozy up with gamblers to help the integrity of the game :eek: when I noticed the next section which mentioned that the Warriors have been making Anthony Randolph available again and are desperate to make a move for more immediate help.

For those who don't know, Randolph is a 2nd year 21yr old hyper-athletic 6'10" SF/PF who has shown flashes of brilliance but has been unable to sustain (and he is another player who does not get along with Nellie). He is a freaky rebounder for his lack of bulk, a shotblocker, Just last week he dropped 28pts 13rebs 5ast 1stl 1blk on Orlando. And still the Warriros are stupid and appear willing to move him for immediate help. Well, I think we may be able to "help" them.

Randolph has value, they know it, so they aren't going to just give him away. And he has a teammate who has occasinally been suggestd as an answer for us as well -- 6'11" C Andris Biedrins, who averaged 11pts 11rebs and 1.6blks last season, but has been hurt pretty much all year this year. It may seem that he has been aroudn forever, but he came into the league at 18 and is still only 23 himself. Neither Biedrins nor Randolph are phsyical bangers, whihc might hurt us eventually -- they are both skinny. But they get the job done on the glass and wiht shotblocking, things we are desperate for. If the Warriors too are deperate, now is the time to strike. I see two realistic possiblities:

1)
Kevin Martin $10.2mil (4years)
Sean May $1.0mil (ender)

for

Andris Biedrins $9mil (5 years)
Anthony Randolph $1.8mil (3 years)

positives: we instantly get big long and atheltic up front, have a three man big man rotation of Hawes/JT/Biedrins, and can use have Randolph as an atheltic mismatch PF against the right opponents. We gain a ton of shotblocking, length, and rebounding. Meanwhile Nellie gains another small running guard that he lusts over, and Kevin could well average 25ppg for them as their "immediate help". The Ellis/Martin all softie scorer bckcourt comes into being, just for a different team.
negatives: we use up the Kevin chip, and since we took 2 players back for 1 injured one, until we moved Noc as well minutes would be tight up front. And is even Nellie nutty enoguh to trade away his frontcourt fro Kevin and contiue starting Mikki and maybe even Sean May until Turiaf and Wright come back from injury?

2)
Andres Nocioni $7.5mil (3 years)
Spencer Hawes $2.3mil (2 years)

for

Andris Biedrins $9mil (5 years)
Anthony Randolph $1.8mil (3 years)

positives: an equal positional swap, minutes are just switched form Hawes to Biedrins and from Noc to Randolph. We get younger, more atheltic, and better on the glass. We keep Kevin. The Warriors get some of their immediate help, Nellie quite possibly gets his dream starting PF/C and has both guys chucking threes all night long.
negatives: we don't get the three big man frontcourt we would under the other trade, and are still left with just two, now Biedrins and JT, although Randolph is a more legit 4/3 option than Noc. We don't solve the minutes crunch when Kevin and Cisoc return. We get a young talent, but give up one too in Hawes. The Warriors lose their only shotblocking/rebounding and don't get back the flashy potential impact player in Kevin. They might be able to get a better offer for a randolph/Biedrins package.
 
I would absolutely do either of these deals, I'm not sure GSW does though.

This first gives GSW more overall talent, but starting Curry, Ellis, and Kmart would be one of the worst defensive teams and smallest teams of all time. That's perfect Nellieball though so hopefully they'll overlook that.

I'm not sure they go for the second one.. Not sure it's enough. I'd even consider throwing I'n a pick ( or future pick ) but that's cause I'm pretty high on both Randolph and Bedreins
 
I don't know if GSW does either of them to be perfectly honest... Now if you combined Kmart and Hawes you might get their attention.
 
I like the idea although it's hard to imagine #2 getting it done. You have to wonder how good Bierdrins and Randolph can be when put with a good coach.

Would they want Kevin to go along with their other shooters Ellis, Curry, and Maggette? You just never know what that front office is thinking...
 
Either of these would be worth pursuing in my book, though if they want "immediate" help, not sure how long it would be before Kevin can contribute. If we turned Kevin around for a premiere big along with KT's expiring I'd like the second deal the best.
 
In a heartbeat.

Love Biedrins rebounding and shot blocking ability.

Randolph is freakishly athletic and has a huge upside.

I would do either one of these deals before the Warriors brass wakes up

from under Nellies spell. We wouldn't have to go panic shopping for

another big right away if one of these deals went down.
 
Randolph has value, they know it, so they aren't going to just give him away. And he has a teammate who has occasinally been suggestd as an answer for us as well -- 6'11" C Andris Biedrins, who averaged 11pts 11rebs and 1.6blks last season, but has been hurt pretty much all year this year. It may seem that he has been aroudn forever, but he came into the league at 18 and is still only 23 himself. Neither Biedrins nor Randolph are phsyical bangers, whihc might hurt us eventually -- they are both skinny. But they get the job done on the glass and wiht shotblocking, things we are desperate for. If the Warriors too are deperate, now is the time to strike. I see two realistic possiblities:

1)
Kevin Martin $10.2mil (4years)
Sean May $1.0mil (ender)

for

Andris Biedrins $9mil (5 years)
Anthony Randolph $1.8mil (3 years)


So the W, who already has 100 wing players on the team, trades away the only productive center in their entire roster + Randolph for another wing player + scrub?

Look, first, no way in hell they trade both Randolph and Biedrins without a star big man in return. Second, any team that gets Randolph also has to take back Corey Maggette. Third, any deal involving Kings, W, and Randolph has to include KT's expiring going the other way. Fourth, the W is looking for quality big men, with emphasis on "quality."

In fact, living here in the Bay Area, I know damn well who the W wants from the Kings - Jason Thompson. At the very least, they'll want KT + 1st rd pick + quality big for Maggette + Randolph. The problem is we don't have a quality big for trade unless W likes Hawes, which I'm not sure if they do.

With that said, I dont think Warriors are serious about moving Randolph. It'll take a very sweet deal to make them act.

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I don't know if GSW does either of them to be perfectly honest... Now if you combined Kmart and Hawes you might get their attention.

Or add in our first rounder. I would be extremely keen on just about any move that gets Randolph in the fold that doesn't involve Tyreke or JT...and preferably not Casspi or Greene. its just hard to pick a better realistic addition than Randolph. I think he's got the potential to be a Garnett-esque defender. We'd still eventually need to find a muscular post defender....but when you think about the length and agility combinations with Greene, Evans, Randolph and JT on the court it would be a potentially suffocating defense.
 
I would jump at either, but in the 2nd we give up less and there's still the possibility of moving Kevin for another big at some point. I find it hard to believe that the Warriors go for either, but we can dream.

I'm always amazed when there's talk of moving Randolph and that he gets such sporadic playing time. His rebounds and blocks per minute are freakish, and he's barely begun to exploit his ability with the dribble at that size. Some refinement and a jump shot, and he's a straight up monster. This would give us two of the league's top rebounders per minute and might make us the league's best rebounding team. Put out a frontcourt of Biedrins/Brockman/Randolph and the other team might be shut out on the boards. :D
 
why would the warriors make either deal? i like randolph but i dont think that the warriors would take nocioni and hawes... maybe thompson for randolph straight up or throw in thomas to get biedrins but i wouldnt want to make that trade....
 
why would the warriors make either deal? i like randolph but i dont think that the warriors would take nocioni and hawes... maybe thompson for randolph straight up or throw in thomas to get biedrins but i wouldnt want to make that trade....

Kinda pointless since the Kings drafted JT over him and JT has played better.
 
why would the warriors make either deal? i like randolph but i dont think that the warriors would take nocioni and hawes... maybe thompson for randolph straight up or throw in thomas to get biedrins but i wouldnt want to make that trade....

If you were the Warriors of course, right? Because the rest of us are looking at it from the KINGS perspective, we usually don't look at things from the OTHER team's perspective.

I would like to see either trade made, but don't think it is possible. As far as I see it, the future of the Kings lies in the hands of Evans, Thompson, Casspi and Greene (maybe with Garcia as a throw-in 6th man). Everybody else is fair game.
 
If Ws wouldn't do these deals, then what about Hawes for Randolph straight up?


This could follow with a KT trade for Dalembert or Emeka
 
Getting rid of Spencer would be a horrible move. First of all it puts us right back where we were with no viable option for C off the bench... secondly Spencer is only 21 right? 21!!!!! I'll take 11-6 for a 21 year old ANY DAY. He could still balloon up to a 15-20 ppg player.
 
Getting rid of Spencer would be a horrible move. First of all it puts us right back where we were with no viable option for C off the bench... secondly Spencer is only 21 right? 21!!!!! I'll take 11-6 for a 21 year old ANY DAY. He could still balloon up to a 15-20 ppg player.
Thats some awesome Koolaid you are drinking, I want some.
 
There are rumors all over the internet that there's no one on the Warriors that can't be had. So trying to predict what they will or will not do is extremely difficult. Its a team without leadership at any level. As much as I like Randolph, and most on this fourm do as well, he's not a star in this league yet. Despite that, people want to inflate his trade value. The Warriors are the team desperate to make a trade, not us. And, their not the only team desperate for change around the league, so they have a little competition.

I'd love to aquire both players, but I can't see the Warriors giving up both Biedrins and Randolph. Especially since he's the only center they have. Unless their throwing in the towel for the season and just looking toward the future. If they're looking just for cap relief, then I'd trade them KT for Biedrins and wouldn't take anyone else but Biedrins. No long term contracts coming back other than Biedrins.

If they want Hawes as part of the deal, which I wouldn't prefer since we need three bigs, then Randolph would have to be included.
 
Getting rid of Spencer would be a horrible move. First of all it puts us right back where we were with no viable option for C off the bench... secondly Spencer is only 21 right? 21!!!!! I'll take 11-6 for a 21 year old ANY DAY. He could still balloon up to a 15-20 ppg player.

You're also getting back a 23 year old center, who has already been a walking double-double for three years, plus a 20 year old potential star, so you're hardly taking a step back in youth or potential. It doesn't add to the big man rotation, but it turns one of the slots into an exceptional rebounder and efficient inside finisher, so it also lowers the burden on how good that third big has to be.
 
If you were the Warriors of course, right? Because the rest of us are looking at it from the KINGS perspective, we usually don't look at things from the OTHER team's perspective.

I would like to see either trade made, but don't think it is possible. As far as I see it, the future of the Kings lies in the hands of Evans, Thompson, Casspi and Greene (maybe with Garcia as a throw-in 6th man). Everybody else is fair game.

thats the problem, you are looking at it from the kings perspective. what about the warriors? they are the ones who would be getting ripped off... why would they knowingly rip themselves off? if they turned down a shot at amare why would they want hawes and nocioni? or martin? they have curry and ellis... biedrins is their only center and the only player that tries to play defense.

maybe if we could find a third team we could get that deal done with the pieces that brick mentioned but between the warriors and kings thats not gonna work.
 
There is no way the Warriors trade Randolph without dumping Maggette. Secondly, I would be very wary of trading for Biedrinis in case he never comes back from his injury. He makes 9 Million a year through 2013/2014 and would preclude us getting another big name Free Agent to stick next to Tyreke.

Also I would assume there is some GM out there who will outbid us for Randolph. I think you would have better look getting Brandon Wright away from them, which might be a better risk/reward.
 
If we could add AR to our young core of Reke/Greene/Omri/JT that would be amazing. All most too MUCH youth. Would definately have to move Noc, maybe Cisco as well. Reke can be our vet presence :p
 
I love both these trades, so much so that I doubt GS does them. Right now, AR probably has value about on a par with JT (JT is better now, AR has more potential), and Biedrins' is higher than Spencer's. Also, I don't think that GS would be a good fit for Hawes. He's not the typical Don Nelson center, if he reaches his potential, he's far more valuable going to work down low in a set half court offense. Martin has higher value than anybody else in this trade, and could potentially play the 3 in Nellie ball, so they might consider Randolph for Martin, but what else do we get out of the deal? Another pick, perhaps? I really don't think we have the pieces to get both AR and Biedrins (without breaking up our young core), and while I'd rather have AR, he does duplicate a lot of what we already have in Donte Greene.
 
I'd think long and hard about it.

One question that is getting avoided in this is, if we get Randolph and you pin him down as your SF, where does that leave Donte Greene?! Have we given up on him already considering that apart from Reke, he is a player with arguably the highest ceiling on our roster?
 
I love both these trades, so much so that I doubt GS does them. Right now, AR probably has value about on a par with JT (JT is better now, AR has more potential), and Biedrins' is higher than Spencer's. Also, I don't think that GS would be a good fit for Hawes. He's not the typical Don Nelson center, if he reaches his potential, he's far more valuable going to work down low in a set half court offense. Martin has higher value than anybody else in this trade, and could potentially play the 3 in Nellie ball, so they might consider Randolph for Martin, but what else do we get out of the deal? Another pick, perhaps? I really don't think we have the pieces to get both AR and Biedrins (without breaking up our young core), and while I'd rather have AR, he does duplicate a lot of what we already have in Donte Greene.

Just remember when your comparing JT and Randolph, that one is a PF and the other is a SF. Yeah, I know Randolph is susposed to 7 feet tall, but unless he grew three inches in the past year he's not. Doesn't matter anyway. He just doesn't have the muscle or bulk on him to match up at the PF position on a regular basis. However I would love to see him at the SF position next to Thompson.
 
I'd think long and hard about it.

One question that is getting avoided in this is, if we get Randolph and you pin him down as your SF, where does that leave Donte Greene?! Have we given up on him already considering that apart from Reke, he is a player with arguably the highest ceiling on our roster?

Greene at the 2?

Starting lineup of

Reke
Greene
Randolph
Thompson
Biedrins
 
Just remember when your comparing JT and Randolph, that one is a PF and the other is a SF. Yeah, I know Randolph is susposed to 7 feet tall, but unless he grew three inches in the past year he's not. Doesn't matter anyway. He just doesn't have the muscle or bulk on him to match up at the PF position on a regular basis. However I would love to see him at the SF position next to Thompson.

Not now, but he's only 20...but there's a long list of slender athletic PF's and C's that were too thin when they were young, but added weight and matched up fine. How big were Rasheed, Garnett, Joe Smith, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom, and Marcus Camby when they were 20? How big was Chris Bosh?...Now even among that group he's pretty skinny and he'll have touch matchups when he plays bulky 4's...but I think he'll hold his own and in a couple years it won't be a major matchup issue. Of course, how are those guys going to hold him down?

Edit: Since I mentioned all the guys who DID work out, it'd be fair to mention he's built a lot like Jonathan Bender too.
 
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I'd think long and hard about it.

One question that is getting avoided in this is, if we get Randolph and you pin him down as your SF, where does that leave Donte Greene?! Have we given up on him already considering that apart from Reke, he is a player with arguably the highest ceiling on our roster?

I'd start JT at the 5, AR at 4, Hawes to the bench where he can get time to develop with no pressure on him (even give him some Donte treatment).

Edit: woops didn't account for Biedrins, but if the base of the trade was Kmart going out and AR coming in (not a realistic trade at this point) I'd like to see this... Obviously with Biedrins in it'd be Biedrens at 5, JT at 4, AR first off bench for now...
JT/Spence
AR/Spence
Noci/Greene/Casspi
Garcia/Greene/
Evans/Beno/Sergio
 
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What can/should we offer to Golden State to acquire Randolph. This opportunity is to good to pass on. I even would throw in our 1st pick to sweeten this deal for them.

JT Playing along side of Randloph, my goodness.
 
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Not now, but he's only 20...but there's a long list of slender athletic PF's and C's that were too thin when they were young, but added weight and matched up fine. How big were Rasheed, Garnett, Joe Smith, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom, and Marcus Camby when they were 20? How big was Chris Bosh?...Now even among that group he's pretty skinny and he'll have touch matchups when he plays bulky 4's...but I think he'll hold his own and in a couple years it won't be a major matchup issue. Of course, how are those guys going to hold him down?

Edit: Since I mentioned all the guys who DID work out, it'd be fair to mention he's built a lot like Jonathan Bender too.

Most of the guys you mentioned came into the league weighing about 220-230 lbs. AR weighed in at 197 lbs. Bender was close at 202 lbs.
 
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