Another Rebuilding Thread

nbrans

nbrans

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Here's what I think should go down at the trading deadline:

Trade #1:
Bibby

for

Theo Ratliff
Delonte West
#1 Pick

The pick might be a stretch with the uncertainty surrounding Bibby's contract and his possible opting out, but Boston has really struggled at the PG spot, Telfair has been terrible, and they could use a solid veteran. With Bibby they might be a threat to win the Eastern Conference.

Trade #2:
Artest

for

Corey Maggette
#1 Pick

This, to me, is a no-brainer. Both teams need this to happen. The signs of an impending meltdown are everywhere, and frankly, Artest is not the impact player that he was in years past.

*A possible varation on this trade would be Artest and KT for Maggette, Rebraca and Karolev, but something tells me Donald Sterling wouldn't be down with taking on KT's contract.

Trade #3:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Francisco Garcia

for

PJ Brown
Future #1 pick

This trade wouldn't happen unless everyone's positive Garnett isn't going to be traded, but Chicago needs post scoring in the worst way, and if the Kings aren't going to utilize SAR in the post and plan to just leave him on the perimeter shooting jump shots you might as well just erase his salary with PJ Brown's expiring.

Offseason #1

Erasing Garcia and SAR's contracts and replacing Bibby's contract with Ratliff's would leave the Kings about $9 million under the cap.

The draft:

Three first round picks -- Celtics, Kings, Clippers. GO BIG. Preferably two big men and one swing man.

Free agency target #1:

Mo Williams. I really think this guy is the point guard of the future. He's made great strides this year, he's only 23, he's quick, athletic.. I think he's the guy.

2007-2008 roster:

Mo Williams/West/Price
Martin/Douby/Draftee
Maggette/Salmons/Draftee
Draftee/Draftee/Williams?/Thomas
Miller/Draftee/

Offseason #2

Ratliff comes off the books and you re-up Martin, possibly Maggette (or not) and keep trying to trade Kenny Thomas for an expiring. You have at least 1 pick in the 2008 draft, possibly 2.
 
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Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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of those trades the only one that i think MIGHT give up their pick is the clippers. other than that, there is no way the celts give up their first for bibby imo and even then give up west on top of that.

there is no way the bulls think that highly of garcia that they'd give up their lottery pick that they get from the bulls and an expiring contract. people here have way too high of an opinion of abdur-rahim.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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Vlade4GM said:
of those trades the only one that i think MIGHT give up their pick is the clippers. other than that, there is no way the celts give up their first for bibby imo and even then give up west on top of that.

there is no way the bulls think that highly of garcia that they'd give up their lottery pick that they get from the bulls and an expiring contract. people here have way too high of an opinion of abdur-rahim.
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If the Celtics got Bibby they'd have no need for West with Telfair and Rondo still on the team. I agree it's not a given that they'd give up their pick, but at the same time they have so many young prospects and picks that at some point they have to start cashing them in for veterans.

And as for the Bulls, I'm not talking about the 2007 lottery pick, I'm saying some future pick, which would make this more possible.
 
Vlade4GM

Vlade4GM

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nbrans said:
If the Celtics got Bibby they'd have no need for West with Telfair and Rondo still on the team. I agree it's not a given that they'd give up their pick, but at the same time they have so many young prospects and picks that at some point they have to start cashing them in for veterans.

And as for the Bulls, I'm not talking about the 2007 lottery pick, I'm saying some future pick, which would make this more possible.
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well i think it's possible the celts go for it without the pick involved. as far as the bulls i don't believe they think highly enough of garcia and sar to give up a 1st rounder and an expiring contract. i doesn't make any sense for them.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

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i like all of it except for the fact that we give up all our ballhandlers in trades. i'd preferably like to keep cisco so we have one ballhandler cheap.
 
Entity

Entity

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I would think more along the lines of a Miller trade as Bibby and Artest still have purpose on this team. Although i do like Mo Williams. How about

Miller and Artest to Minn for Garnett
Bibby and KT to Millwalkee for Mo Williams Gadzuric and a pick
 
Entity

Entity

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Seattle is expressing its wish for a Center. Now i know how everybody feels about Fortson but he is an expiring. So you could Give up Miller for Fortson and Sene and/or a pick. Fortson could then be released because nobody else would trade for him so just cut your losses which also should happen to Vitaley. I am sick of seeing him. Nobody wants him and he is never going to play just get him out of here.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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Entity said:
Seattle is expressing its wish for a Center. Now i know how everybody feels about Fortson but he is an expiring. So you could Give up Miller for Fortson and Sene and/or a pick. Fortson could then be released because nobody else would trade for him so just cut your losses which also should happen to Vitaley. I am sick of seeing him. Nobody wants him and he is never going to play just get him out of here.
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Actually, I don't even quite understand why Seattle is in such a hurry to get a center because Petro is showing some potential but is hardly getting playing time. He's already a good shotblocker and he's developed a nice midrange jump shot. I'm not in as much of a hurry to trade Miller as some people, but a Miller for Forston/Petro/filler trade works, and I'd go for that.
 
Entity

Entity

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i don't know why Seattle wants a Center so bad either, but it was stated. Maybe they want more scoring? But yeah I'd take that as well.
 
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uopmatt

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I love the idea of us giving up Bibby for West and a number 1. I just don't know if boston would bite on it although they do seem to have a plethora of point guards on this team. Is there anyway we can get one of boston's big's (Perkins or Jefferson) in a deal also? I really like the upside on both of these guys epcecially when you compare them to what's will be or is available right now as far as big men.
 
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HighFlyingMonkey

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uopmatt said:
I love the idea of us giving up Bibby for West and a number 1. I just don't know if boston would bite on it although they do seem to have a plethora of point guards on this team. Is there anyway we can get one of boston's big's (Perkins or Jefferson) in a deal also? I really like the upside on both of these guys epcecially when you compare them to what's will be or is available right now as far as big men.
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There's no way we nab one of their big men. The C's are REALLY high on them.
 
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kingsfan101

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nbrans said:
The draft:

Three first round picks -- Celtics, Kings, Clippers. GO BIG. Preferably two big men and one swing man.
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Some interesting ideas there. However, even if Petrie is able to pull this (or other nice trades), I very much doubt we shall have three picks next year. Virtually no team shall offer an unprotected pick (ruling out lottery picks). Even after the trades, Boston and Clips might miss the playoffs (though Boston could easily win the Atlantic with Bibby, assuming Pierce comes back strong).

I would actually like to keep Bibby. As much as he has sucked in the early part of the season, he is coming around now, and has played quite well over the last few games. But the main reason I would like to keep him is that he is a proven winner. Apart from Corliss, and to a more limited extent Brad, no one on the team has won much. Bibby has not turned out to be the leader we all hoped, but as a proven winner, he shall remain critical to keep around the kids, till they can learn to win on a consistent basis.

As for his contract, yes, he is getting paid more than he deserves at this point. However, even if he opts out, he shall be the best PG available in the free agent market, and it shall be prudent on our part, to sign him at a more reasonably priced, longer term contract. If we trade him and sign some other PG, given our need, we might have to overpay for him too.
 
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