And..... Back to Rebuilding mode... Who's got to go?!? what do we need?

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Yeah I am shocked about how bad the FO handled this offseason. Obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but from my perspective it was pretty obvious that all of the moves we made were bad from the get go. I had hoped that I was wrong and that maybe the team would be better, but they are right where they were last year, if not a little worse. I give the FO credit for drafting Reke and Cousins. But they really screwed up this summer.

SERIOUSLY!!!!! how hard was it to sign Dalembert and draft Kawhi Leonard!!! now we have the great white hype in Jimmer who sucks and is exactly what I thought he was and John Salmons. now we still need a center and SF... we badly need a leader as well. any C or sf with leadership would be awesome.

totally agree with above tyreke post, he's the only reason were not worst in the league.
 
Evans is a good player, but if he’s “the guy” and this team is “talented” at some point, he’s got to lift the team above a winning percentage of .300. I think the blame goes both ways. To me, he’s a shooting guard that isn’t a great shooter. They tried to make him a point, then moved him off the ball, and now he’s back. The Kings are killing him. I think he’s a very good player, but with his skill set it makes no sense for the Kings to put three streaky shooters around him (Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer, who all play like shooting guards). Conversely, Evans is such a unique player that he limits the Kings’ moves. When the Kings are looking for point guards, they can’t even consider a guy like Andre Miller.

This is the thing with Reke, at some point he has to start playing winning basketball. His future in this league is as a scoring guard who can also be a shutdown defender. For some reason, the Kings have not pushed him towards this career. It's harmful to him and to the team, and I can never understand the Tyreke fans who want to keep pushing him as a PG or worry that if the Kings get a PG then Tyreke won't have the ball. The truth is if Tyreke never learns to play off the ball, he won't be a major player on a winning team. He's not Wade/Kobe/Lebron level. That dream has passed. You can't have a player below that level dominate the ball unless they are adept at making teammates better. That's not Tyreke's game.

Tyreke needs to start becoming what his limits show him to be. He needs to improve his shooting and improve his off-ball awareness. He needs to focus on defense and not have repeated mental lapses on D. This is Tyreke playing winning basketball. It is good for both his career and his team. To continually fight against this makes no sense.
 
This is the thing with Reke, at some point he has to start playing winning basketball. His future in this league is as a scoring guard who can also be a shutdown defender. For some reason, the Kings have not pushed him towards this career. It's harmful to him and to the team, and I can never understand the Tyreke fans who want to keep pushing him as a PG or worry that if the Kings get a PG then Tyreke won't have the ball. The truth is if Tyreke never learns to play off the ball, he won't be a major player on a winning team. He's not Wade/Kobe/Lebron level. That dream has passed. You can't have a player below that level dominate the ball unless they are adept at making teammates better. That's not Tyreke's game.

Tyreke needs to start becoming what his limits show him to be. He needs to improve his shooting and improve his off-ball awareness. He needs to focus on defense and not have repeated mental lapses on D. This is Tyreke playing winning basketball. It is good for both his career and his team. To continually fight against this makes no sense.

I've always thought of Tyreke as a PG in the sense that he's going to get guys open shots. I never thought he'd totally control the flow of the offense ala the true point guards like Nash. IMO we have to play to his strengths, and that's putting the ball in his hands to create off the dribble, either for himself or for his team mates. I think this whole "PG" thing is just terminology really. Ultimately if we're trying to match him up against guys that are smaller than him, and he's the one creating most of the offense then he's as good as our PG. Agree with everything you said about his need to improve though. We all want the best for our team, and Tyreke is going to be one of our main guys, if not THE main guy. We need him to continually get better and become a more consistent and reliable player.
 
When is j Kidd retiring? Bring him on as a assistant coach to mentor our guards. I was watching the replay of wolves kings game and one distinct thing stood out. The wolves set screens and there were times when both bigs set picks for their guards. It was in majority of their plays. Th e kings on the other hand hardly set picks.
 
You do know that Dalembert took less money to play elsewhere, right? He didn't want to come back to Sacramento.

I guess you missed the part where I said we should have offered him more money. Texas is a non-income tax state and California has high taxes as we all know. If your the Kings your going to have to pay more than a Texas or Florida team will. If you add up Hickson (-Casspi) + Salmons & Fredette (-Udrih & Biyombo) + Outlaw + Hayes you get 30k short of 10 million. As far as I know we never put a 10 Million offer on the table to Dalembert. In fact, as far as was reported we didn't even make offer until the Hayes health scare.

And Whiteside as a backup center is ridiculous. He's nowhere near ready to play in the NBA. Not unless he gets a much better attitude than he's displayed so far and improves his game, too.

It's a Depth Chart, you only play 8 guys and Whiteside is not one of them. At the end of last season we play a 3 man big rotation of Dalembert, Cousins & Thompson which was the most effective big man rotation we have had since Webber was here. We actually finished .500 in the last 18 games of the season. My point was why break that up?

As to Casspi, I never understood why we could not trade him to New York or LA simply for the merchandising factor. I can't believe we gave up the first (albiet protected) and not the other way around.
 
I don't have the Dalembert love. How much better would the assist/to ratio be with Dalembert back? This team isn't terrible defensively. It's the offense. And on the defensive side of the ball at least 25% of it is not getting back on D, which Dalembert has nothing to do with anyway. Would it be better to have Dalembert rather than to not have him? Yes. But not having a shot blocker is the least of our concerns, imo.
 
I don't have the Dalembert love. How much better would the assist/to ratio be with Dalembert back? This team isn't terrible defensively. It's the offense. And on the defensive side of the ball at least 25% of it is not getting back on D, which Dalembert has nothing to do with anyway. Would it be better to have Dalembert rather than to not have him? Yes. But not having a shot blocker is the least of our concerns, imo.

I guess if you only want to pick one thing we suck at, then sure our A/TO is one and Dally (or a similar inside presence) wouldn't really help. Though you could argue we would get more transition points and easy assists if we got more stops.

The problem with your logic is assuming we are doing fine with rebounds and defense and that's flat out not true. We suck at both sides of the court. We knew how to solve one as we discovered it at the end of last year, but of course we abandoned that plan and went back to Geoff small ball.
 
I'm getting really sick of the Evans hate around here. The guys has shown that he has the handles of a pg, works hard on defense, works to improve in the offseason. I'm completely not getting the he can't pass bit, since every game I see him create around 16 wide open shots for people that are promptly bricked/dribbled out of/fumbled. The guy doesn't grasp the nuances of being a pg yet but he isn't unwilling to pass. Do people remember how long the Kings went without a competent pg, let alone one that creates the problems for other teams that Tyreke does? Isn't the key aspect of being a PG the ability to break down a defense, force it to adjust and then make passes based on that? Isn't Tyreke as good as anyone at breaking down a defense? I see him pass out of breaking down a defense all the time. Sure Tyeke doesn't have all the subtle nuances of being a Point Guard down yet... that's normal! Steve Nash didn't come into the league as a great pg, neither did Stockton, Gary Payton, and a host of others. If people really think Tyreke Evans is our issue then they simply aren't watching, or have other motivations.

I feel like we're completely under valuing competent coaching. I see guys who have been with the team work to improve every off season individually but the team never gets any better. Take Donte Greene for example, a guy people say doesn't have drive and isn't coachable... Year one he couldn't play because he didn't understand NBA defense, by year two he was a solid defender. Since then he put on weight to be a stretch four, then took off said weight, last year we all complained he was a terrible rebounder for his size, and look at his rebounding numbers this year (improved). I now JT works his butt off in the off season, Cousins came in lighter and quicker this year, Tyreke has improved his jumper. The areas we haven't improved are areas you need a coach for. Tyreke learning the nuances of being a pg within a set system. Our coach teaching basic offensive principles like pick and rolls, and creating matchup advantages for us instead of having guys like Kobe and Batum posting up Isiah Thomas. Why is Jimmer not being run around screens and shooting at least three set shot jumpers a game? Why is Ty Lawson allowed to guard Tyreke for a full game without being posted up once?

What was the Thunder's record the season Scott Brooks was hired mid season? What has that team been like since? I honestly think we have tremendous talent and provide tough matchups for lot's of teams in the league. The issue has been we pay the lowest salary for coaching in the entire NBA. Our coaching searches have been either owner driven by infatuation or by cheapness. Talent and players aren't the issue, something (anything) to guide that talent is.

Who are you and why don't you post more? Why do the uninformed knee jerkers always post and people like you don't?
 
I don't have the Dalembert love. How much better would the assist/to ratio be with Dalembert back? This team isn't terrible defensively. It's the offense. And on the defensive side of the ball at least 25% of it is not getting back on D, which Dalembert has nothing to do with anyway. Would it be better to have Dalembert rather than to not have him? Yes. But not having a shot blocker is the least of our concerns, imo.



Um the team is quite terrible defensively actually. Its the double doozy.

Oh, and we are crap on the boards too.

Our front office ****ed up. At the end fo last year our three 6'11" guy frontline was kicking butt and taking names. We were SECOND in the entire league in rebounding, which will cover up for a lot of defensive errors. And assuming that Cousins came in as hehas this year blocking shots (mostly on his own man) then we would have had TWO shotblockers out of the three. To screw that up...

And let's not even get to screwing up the potent 3-guard we had going as well. Just, grrr...
 
I guess if you only want to pick one thing we suck at, then sure our A/TO is one and Dally (or a similar inside presence) wouldn't really help. Though you could argue we would get more transition points and easy assists if we got more stops.

The problem with your logic is assuming we are doing fine with rebounds and defense and that's flat out not true. We suck at both sides of the court. We knew how to solve one as we discovered it at the end of last year, but of course we abandoned that plan and went back to Geoff small ball.

No we don't. The Kings set an NBA record for lowest points scored in a half. Teams aren't scoring 120 points against the Kings on a regular basis. The problems on the defensive end aren't anywhere close to that on the offensive end. In fact, if they were moderately competent on the offensive end, they would be even more competent on the defensive end.
 
Um the team is quite terrible defensively actually. Its the double doozy.

Oh, and we are crap on the boards too.

Our front office ****ed up. At the end fo last year our three 6'11" guy frontline was kicking butt and taking names. We were SECOND in the entire league in rebounding, which will cover up for a lot of defensive errors. And assuming that Cousins came in as hehas this year blocking shots (mostly on his own man) then we would have had TWO shotblockers out of the three. To screw that up...

And let's not even get to screwing up the potent 3-guard we had going as well. Just, grrr...

The defense isn't anwhere close to being as bad as the offense. This isn't the sieve teams of old on the defensive end. It can and should get a lot better on that end, but it's not the DISASTER it is on the offensive end.
 
The defense isn't anwhere close to being as bad as the offense. This isn't the sieve teams of old on the defensive end. It can and should get a lot better on that end, but it's not the DISASTER it is on the offensive end.

No we are still awful on defense. We have the 2nd worst opponent FG%, and we are below average in almost all major defensive categories(Reb, Blocks) except steals. In theory our opp 3PT% is okay, but in reality we just got lucky because we had three teams basically not be able to hit anything from out there(Lakers 1/16,Hornets 0/15, and Portland 3/18). If you look at the last 5 or 10 games, we are below average at that also. If not for the surprising defensive surge by DMC, we would probably be the worst statistical defensive team in the league.
 
No we don't. The Kings set an NBA record for lowest points scored in a half. Teams aren't scoring 120 points against the Kings on a regular basis. The problems on the defensive end aren't anywhere close to that on the offensive end. In fact, if they were moderately competent on the offensive end, they would be even more competent on the defensive end.

Wrong. We're last or in the last 2-3 teams in points allowed, points in the paint, opponent fg%, rebounding and a bunch of other defensive stats. Honestly, its not that hard to look for the stats.
 
I can't add much that hasn't been said. I guess you can argue that our offense is worse than our defense, but in our case, thats like saying that my cancer will kill me before my heart desease does. Hard to find optimism there. I didn't think I'd being saying this, but if Petrie doesn't do something positive besides stand in the tunnel and watch games, it might be time for some fresh blood. What we have is a group of, yes talented, but miscast players. Well, perhaps all of them aren't talented.

John Salmons is a bad fit. Its not that he's untalented, its that his talents don't lend themselves to what the team is trying to do. Whatever that is. This team needed a veteran SF that can play good defense, hit the spot up three, and be capable of passing the ball. A player that you had to defend, but didn't need, and wasn't accustomed to having the ball in his hands on a regular basis. Now to some degree, Salmons may fit some of what the Kings needed, but the parts that don't fit, completely overshadow the parts that do. Its not his fault, he's just a bad fit. And its Petrie's fault. He made the deal. I don't care if Westphal was the one pushing for the trade. Its Petrie's job to know it won't work, and to say no.

Picking up Outlaw looks to be a waste of money as well. From what I've seen so far, its not a shock that his team used the amnesty clause on him. 3 mil isn't a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but I would have rather added that 3 mil onto our offer to Dalembert and seen what his response was. So to my mind, picking up Outlaw was another bad choice by Petrie.

I'm a huge fan of Tyreke's, but I've never said he had to be a PG. I've always said I don't care what you call him, just put him on the floor. I don't get caught up in this label thing. Do I think the team could use a Nash or a Paul to play along side of Tyreke? Sure, go get me one. What team couldn't use one of those players. I don't think Tyreke would object. I know damm well Cousins wouldn't object to someone that can get him the ball at the right time in the post.

I'd still be alright with the Hickson trade if we hadn't thrown in the first round pick. Couple of reasons. First, Hickson isn't worth losing both Casspi and a first round pick for. For me, he's been a big disappointment. But unless Casspi suddenly blossoms into the next Dirk, I'm not that upset. Secondly, by inserting that first round pick, we've esentially tied up all our future first round picks until that pick is resolved, or until, I believe 2016, when it turns into a 2nd round pick. Because of not being able to trade 1st round picks two years in a row. So it limits our trading ability to a small degree. Sometimes the other team wants a 1st round pick to top off the deal. You don't have one, and maybe you lose the deal. So to my mind, at least so far, its another bad deal by Petrie.

If I said I wasn't disappointed by our offseason, I'd be lying. Like everyone else, I wanted at least one deal with a WOW factor to it. Something to make not only me, but the league standup and take notice. I didn't expect Melo, or Wade, but I did expect at the very least, Dalembert or Kirilenko. Hell, even picking up Barea would have made a ripple. Turns out our biggest deal was resigning our own freeagent in Thornton, and then signing an earth bound 6'7" center. No offense to Hayes, and what he's accomplished with his limited abilities, but a vision of a championship didn't flash before my eyes when we signed him. I'm also sure that our signings weren't the topics of discussion around too many dinner tables in Laker land or in New York.

When Petrie came to the Kings, he was bold with his moves. He took chances! Many of which were unpopular at the time. Its part of what made him a success and GM of the year twice. As time has gone on, he's become more and more conservative. So have I in my personal life, so maybe it comes with age. And a little bit of conservatism is a good thing when your a GM. But when it becomes paralysis by analysis, your done! I don't know if thats the case, and I'm sure I can defend most of his results or lack there of to some degree. But the bottom line is that this team is a mess. Our young players have been subject to 5 coaching changes in the last 4 years if my math is correct. In that time, I've seen little progress from those players, and thats usually a direct result of bad coaching. With all due respect to those that seem to think coaching doesn't matter. If I'm going to blame the coaches, then I have to blame the man that hired them. If I'm going to blame Salmons for not fitting, then I have to blame the man that traded for him.

I think you get my point. It may be time for Petrie to go. And no, I don't have a replacement in mind. And no, I wouldn't let Petrie pick his own replacement if he decides to step down. He needs to do something to shake up this team and turn it around before the trading deadline. I'm sick of this, lets wait till the end of the season and see how Smart does. Thats crap and its not fair to Smart. I doubt anyone could turn this mess around with the current personel. I hope they prove me wrong. And by the way, Fredette and Thomas aren't the problem. They're rookies and should only be playing a few minutes a game. The fact that they're being forced into playing more than that, is more a statement about the team than it is them.

Hmmm! For not being able to add much, I found a lot of hot air somewhere. Sorry!
 
I can't add much that hasn't been said. I guess you can argue that our offense is worse than our defense, but in our case, thats like saying that my cancer will kill me before my heart desease does. Hard to find optimism there. I didn't think I'd being saying this, but if Petrie doesn't do something positive besides stand in the tunnel and watch games, it might be time for some fresh blood. What we have is a group of, yes talented, but miscast players. Well, perhaps all of them aren't talented.

John Salmons is a bad fit. Its not that he's untalented, its that his talents don't lend themselves to what the team is trying to do. Whatever that is. This team needed a veteran SF that can play good defense, hit the spot up three, and be capable of passing the ball. A player that you had to defend, but didn't need, and wasn't accustomed to having the ball in his hands on a regular basis. Now to some degree, Salmons may fit some of what the Kings needed, but the parts that don't fit, completely overshadow the parts that do. Its not his fault, he's just a bad fit. And its Petrie's fault. He made the deal. I don't care if Westphal was the one pushing for the trade. Its Petrie's job to know it won't work, and to say no.

Picking up Outlaw looks to be a waste of money as well. From what I've seen so far, its not a shock that his team used the amnesty clause on him. 3 mil isn't a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but I would have rather added that 3 mil onto our offer to Dalembert and seen what his response was. So to my mind, picking up Outlaw was another bad choice by Petrie.

I'm a huge fan of Tyreke's, but I've never said he had to be a PG. I've always said I don't care what you call him, just put him on the floor. I don't get caught up in this label thing. Do I think the team could use a Nash or a Paul to play along side of Tyreke? Sure, go get me one. What team couldn't use one of those players. I don't think Tyreke would object. I know damm well Cousins wouldn't object to someone that can get him the ball at the right time in the post.

I'd still be alright with the Hickson trade if we hadn't thrown in the first round pick. Couple of reasons. First, Hickson isn't worth losing both Casspi and a first round pick for. For me, he's been a big disappointment. But unless Casspi suddenly blossoms into the next Dirk, I'm not that upset. Secondly, by inserting that first round pick, we've esentially tied up all our future first round picks until that pick is resolved, or until, I believe 2016, when it turns into a 2nd round pick. Because of not being able to trade 1st round picks two years in a row. So it limits our trading ability to a small degree. Sometimes the other team wants a 1st round pick to top off the deal. You don't have one, and maybe you lose the deal. So to my mind, at least so far, its another bad deal by Petrie.

If I said I wasn't disappointed by our offseason, I'd be lying. Like everyone else, I wanted at least one deal with a WOW factor to it. Something to make not only me, but the league standup and take notice. I didn't expect Melo, or Wade, but I did expect at the very least, Dalembert or Kirilenko. Hell, even picking up Barea would have made a ripple. Turns out our biggest deal was resigning our own freeagent in Thornton, and then signing an earth bound 6'7" center. No offense to Hayes, and what he's accomplished with his limited abilities, but a vision of a championship didn't flash before my eyes when we signed him. I'm also sure that our signings weren't the topics of discussion around too many dinner tables in Laker land or in New York.

When Petrie came to the Kings, he was bold with his moves. He took chances! Many of which were unpopular at the time. Its part of what made him a success and GM of the year twice. As time has gone on, he's become more and more conservative. So have I in my personal life, so maybe it comes with age. And a little bit of conservatism is a good thing when your a GM. But when it becomes paralysis by analysis, your done! I don't know if thats the case, and I'm sure I can defend most of his results or lack there of to some degree. But the bottom line is that this team is a mess. Our young players have been subject to 5 coaching changes in the last 4 years if my math is correct. In that time, I've seen little progress from those players, and thats usually a direct result of bad coaching. With all due respect to those that seem to think coaching doesn't matter. If I'm going to blame the coaches, then I have to blame the man that hired them. If I'm going to blame Salmons for not fitting, then I have to blame the man that traded for him.

I think you get my point. It may be time for Petrie to go. And no, I don't have a replacement in mind. And no, I wouldn't let Petrie pick his own replacement if he decides to step down. He needs to do something to shake up this team and turn it around before the trading deadline. I'm sick of this, lets wait till the end of the season and see how Smart does. Thats crap and its not fair to Smart. I doubt anyone could turn this mess around with the current personel. I hope they prove me wrong. And by the way, Fredette and Thomas aren't the problem. They're rookies and should only be playing a few minutes a game. The fact that they're being forced into playing more than that, is more a statement about the team than it is them.

Hmmm! For not being able to add much, I found a lot of hot air somewhere. Sorry!

Bad weather down there? Too much time on your hands today with these novels.

I got a replacement in mind now. Local guy, played at UOP, played in the NBA, has experience as a GM and maybe out of a job soon.
 
I can't add much that hasn't been said. I guess you can argue that our offense is worse than our defense, but in our case, thats like saying that my cancer will kill me before my heart desease does. Hard to find optimism there. I didn't think I'd being saying this, but if Petrie doesn't do something positive besides stand in the tunnel and watch games, it might be time for some fresh blood. What we have is a group of, yes talented, but miscast players. Well, perhaps all of them aren't talented.

John Salmons is a bad fit. Its not that he's untalented, its that his talents don't lend themselves to what the team is trying to do. Whatever that is. This team needed a veteran SF that can play good defense, hit the spot up three, and be capable of passing the ball. A player that you had to defend, but didn't need, and wasn't accustomed to having the ball in his hands on a regular basis. Now to some degree, Salmons may fit some of what the Kings needed, but the parts that don't fit, completely overshadow the parts that do. Its not his fault, he's just a bad fit. And its Petrie's fault. He made the deal. I don't care if Westphal was the one pushing for the trade. Its Petrie's job to know it won't work, and to say no.

Picking up Outlaw looks to be a waste of money as well. From what I've seen so far, its not a shock that his team used the amnesty clause on him. 3 mil isn't a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but I would have rather added that 3 mil onto our offer to Dalembert and seen what his response was. So to my mind, picking up Outlaw was another bad choice by Petrie.

I'm a huge fan of Tyreke's, but I've never said he had to be a PG. I've always said I don't care what you call him, just put him on the floor. I don't get caught up in this label thing. Do I think the team could use a Nash or a Paul to play along side of Tyreke? Sure, go get me one. What team couldn't use one of those players. I don't think Tyreke would object. I know damm well Cousins wouldn't object to someone that can get him the ball at the right time in the post.

I'd still be alright with the Hickson trade if we hadn't thrown in the first round pick. Couple of reasons. First, Hickson isn't worth losing both Casspi and a first round pick for. For me, he's been a big disappointment. But unless Casspi suddenly blossoms into the next Dirk, I'm not that upset. Secondly, by inserting that first round pick, we've esentially tied up all our future first round picks until that pick is resolved, or until, I believe 2016, when it turns into a 2nd round pick. Because of not being able to trade 1st round picks two years in a row. So it limits our trading ability to a small degree. Sometimes the other team wants a 1st round pick to top off the deal. You don't have one, and maybe you lose the deal. So to my mind, at least so far, its another bad deal by Petrie.

If I said I wasn't disappointed by our offseason, I'd be lying. Like everyone else, I wanted at least one deal with a WOW factor to it. Something to make not only me, but the league standup and take notice. I didn't expect Melo, or Wade, but I did expect at the very least, Dalembert or Kirilenko. Hell, even picking up Barea would have made a ripple. Turns out our biggest deal was resigning our own freeagent in Thornton, and then signing an earth bound 6'7" center. No offense to Hayes, and what he's accomplished with his limited abilities, but a vision of a championship didn't flash before my eyes when we signed him. I'm also sure that our signings weren't the topics of discussion around too many dinner tables in Laker land or in New York.

When Petrie came to the Kings, he was bold with his moves. He took chances! Many of which were unpopular at the time. Its part of what made him a success and GM of the year twice. As time has gone on, he's become more and more conservative. So have I in my personal life, so maybe it comes with age. And a little bit of conservatism is a good thing when your a GM. But when it becomes paralysis by analysis, your done! I don't know if thats the case, and I'm sure I can defend most of his results or lack there of to some degree. But the bottom line is that this team is a mess. Our young players have been subject to 5 coaching changes in the last 4 years if my math is correct. In that time, I've seen little progress from those players, and thats usually a direct result of bad coaching. With all due respect to those that seem to think coaching doesn't matter. If I'm going to blame the coaches, then I have to blame the man that hired them. If I'm going to blame Salmons for not fitting, then I have to blame the man that traded for him.

I think you get my point. It may be time for Petrie to go. And no, I don't have a replacement in mind. And no, I wouldn't let Petrie pick his own replacement if he decides to step down. He needs to do something to shake up this team and turn it around before the trading deadline. I'm sick of this, lets wait till the end of the season and see how Smart does. Thats crap and its not fair to Smart. I doubt anyone could turn this mess around with the current personel. I hope they prove me wrong. And by the way, Fredette and Thomas aren't the problem. They're rookies and should only be playing a few minutes a game. The fact that they're being forced into playing more than that, is more a statement about the team than it is them.

Hmmm! For not being able to add much, I found a lot of hot air somewhere. Sorry!
I agree with this smart poster.

I approved this very smart post.:)

Actually, the team from last year needs only a little bit of icing. If only we didn't let go of Dalembert and we picked-up a decent SF instead of an undersized and aging Salmons, this team could have done so much better and maybe on the way to the playoffs. Now, it looks like all the off-season moves and draft virtually negated whatever positive steps we've made for the past 3 years.
 
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Bad weather down there? Too much time on your hands today with these novels.

I got a replacement in mind now. Local guy, played at UOP, played in the NBA, has experience as a GM and maybe out of a job soon.

Someone said once that brevity is the soul of wit. Obviously I'm not a very witty guy!... Hey, I'm open to all suggestions. Don't know if the Kings are..
 
I agree with this smart poster.

I approved this very smart post.:)

Actually, the team from last year needs only a little bit of icing. If only we didn't let go of Dalembert and we picked-up a decent SF instead of an undersized and aging Salmons, this team could have done so much better and maybe on the way to the playoffs. Now, it looks like all the off-season moves and draft virtually negated whatever positive steps we've made for the past 3 years.

See, we can agree on something. Peace be with you. I don't know if we would have made the playoffs, because of the shortened training camp, and our youth, but we certainly would have been a damm site better than we are. I don't know if we've negated everything we've done for the last three years, but we've certainly taken steps backward. We still have a lot of cap room, and will have even more next offseason. But none of it matters is we don't have a GM that can think out of the box once in a while.
 
It's the Maloofs that need to go, not Petrie. Petrie can't really do anything if he doesn't have the owner's backing. We have now replaced the CLIPPERS as the perennial losing team with the cheap owners that doesn't want to spend money on their team. Until we replace the Maloofs or their finances somehow get better, we are always going to suck.

SACRAMENTO CLIPPERS
 
No we are still awful on defense. We have the 2nd worst opponent FG%, and we are below average in almost all major defensive categories(Reb, Blocks) except steals. In theory our opp 3PT% is okay, but in reality we just got lucky because we had three teams basically not be able to hit anything from out there(Lakers 1/16,Hornets 0/15, and Portland 3/18). If you look at the last 5 or 10 games, we are below average at that also. If not for the surprising defensive surge by DMC, we would probably be the worst statistical defensive team in the league.

"If this" and "lucky that" doesn't make for a terrible defense. And like I said, at least 25% of the bad D is just not getting back on defense, which has nothing to do with Dalembert. Heck, Hayes is also a factor. He's much more of a defensive player than offensive. It's still the offense that's much more of the problem. They won tonight on 30 freaking percent shooting. You can't do that with a horrid defense.
 
"If this" and "lucky that" doesn't make for a terrible defense. And like I said, at least 25% of the bad D is just not getting back on defense, which has nothing to do with Dalembert. Heck, Hayes is also a factor. He's much more of a defensive player than offensive. It's still the offense that's much more of the problem. They won tonight on 30 freaking percent shooting. You can't do that with a horrid defense.

While I will give you that our poor defensive FG% is somewhat caused by poor transition D which appears to be improving, the fact remains that our opponent FG% has been terrible to start the year and our record shows it. I do think we have the personnel to be an average defensive team. Not great, but average. I still question Hayes ability to help this team. We already have 2 guys that bring close to what he brings defensively in Thompson and DMC. Indiana still shot 43% last night. BTW if we look at the last 10 games instead of the whole season for OPP 3PT%(which removes the nights where the opposing team had poor shooting nights) we are the 12th worst in that as well. Like I said, we got lucky and had 3 teams shoot well below their season average from 3. Doesn't mean the defense should get credit for it.
 
"If this" and "lucky that" doesn't make for a terrible defense. And like I said, at least 25% of the bad D is just not getting back on defense, which has nothing to do with Dalembert. Heck, Hayes is also a factor. He's much more of a defensive player than offensive. It's still the offense that's much more of the problem. They won tonight on 30 freaking percent shooting. You can't do that with a horrid defense.


So we're just going to pretend the posts above that showed we are in the bottom three of every major defensive statistical measurement didn't happen? Not a bad strategy actually.
 
So we're just going to pretend the posts above that showed we are in the bottom three of every major defensive statistical measurement didn't happen? Not a bad strategy actually.

Some people can't let the facts get in the way of a bad argument.

If half of your house is falling down, and the other half is on fire, I guess you can say - relatively - the half that's falling down, "Isn't so bad."
 
So we're just going to pretend the posts above that showed we are in the bottom three of every major defensive statistical measurement didn't happen? Not a bad strategy actually.

How many terrible shots have the Kings taken? A freaking zillion. They even take bad shots on fast breaks for cryin out loud. And what happens when you take terrible shots? The other team has a high probability of scoring on you. Add to that the Kings don't get back on defense. 2 + 2 = You Get Scored On. That phenomena has nothing at all to do with an absence of Dalembert. But it does have a lot to do with poor "defensive" stats. Then ask yourself, for the remainder of the poor defense, not counting getting scored on by lousy offensive possessions, how much does it have to do with Hayes not being in there? Is it safe to say the interior defense would be better if he were? Yes. Would it be better still if Dalembert were there? Yes. But how much more over and above Hayes? Not a heckuva lot. The "Dalembert effect" on this team would be minimal for all of the above reasons.
 
I think we can agree that were pretty bad on both sides of the ball. So an improvement in either would be a step in the right direction. This is like having a boat with a hole in both ends, and were arguing, while sinking, over which hole to fix first. Just fix one of them for heavens sake. At least thats a start.
 
I think we can agree that were pretty bad on both sides of the ball. So an improvement in either would be a step in the right direction. This is like having a boat with a hole in both ends, and were arguing, while sinking, over which hole to fix first. Just fix one of them for heavens sake. At least thats a start.


Just to be clear, i agree completely. I was just taking exception to the suggestion that we were not having problems on d, except for transition.
 
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