And..... Back to Rebuilding mode... Who's got to go?!? what do we need?

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well we had the best possible start to the season... then... we played more games...

ok so I personally think this team will not work no matter who coaches it. I think they could play better than what we're seeing but this team is already in need of an overhaul rebuild... we need a STAR player with a STYLE that this team can build around... and i personally think Evans style is not looking to be team ball friendly... this would be fine if he was like Dwane Wade, Lebron James or Kobe bryant. Guys that can domminate the ball but have good all around games. Evans is looking to be a little too one dimensional. He showed tonight he can pass sometimes... but only when he's 3-11 shooting??? he can't shoot mid range, long range, or pass at above avg level. He doesn't make those around him better. He also isn't the Leader this team so badly needs like those other guys. THAT IS A MAJOR FLAW BECAUSE EITHER IS COUSINS...

Cousins however has a style that if his heads on straight, would fit into any system and any team. In fact if that team had a PG that could create shots and free people up Cousins would be a total monster. just imagine this.. .Cousins is maybe struggling.. but someone one the team breaks down the defense and feeds Cousins for a emphatic dunk... maybe this gets him going again... gets the team charged up and back on track?

this team needs a creator, and LEADER!!! we have neither...

we got some depth... some good role players... i think a core of Cousins,Thornton, is not a terrible start... but we need a PG and a Leader (or at least a more balanced Star)


WHAT ARE YOUR GUYS TOUGHTS??? who should go? (other than Salmons) what do we need?
 
your too much...

we needed a coach. the one we let go of years ago that we failed to chase this offseason. that is all.
 
this season can potentially snowball from here. We basically have no coach or system and with limited practices inbetween games you cant expect us to get much better.

Without a major training camp its going to be next to impossible to get us rolling.

This season is a write off but we must starting as soon as we can get a vet coach who is going to instill a system and work from there.
 
I'm getting really sick of the Evans hate around here. The guys has shown that he has the handles of a pg, works hard on defense, works to improve in the offseason. I'm completely not getting the he can't pass bit, since every game I see him create around 16 wide open shots for people that are promptly bricked/dribbled out of/fumbled. The guy doesn't grasp the nuances of being a pg yet but he isn't unwilling to pass. Do people remember how long the Kings went without a competent pg, let alone one that creates the problems for other teams that Tyreke does? Isn't the key aspect of being a PG the ability to break down a defense, force it to adjust and then make passes based on that? Isn't Tyreke as good as anyone at breaking down a defense? I see him pass out of breaking down a defense all the time. Sure Tyeke doesn't have all the subtle nuances of being a Point Guard down yet... that's normal! Steve Nash didn't come into the league as a great pg, neither did Stockton, Gary Payton, and a host of others. If people really think Tyreke Evans is our issue then they simply aren't watching, or have other motivations.

I feel like we're completely under valuing competent coaching. I see guys who have been with the team work to improve every off season individually but the team never gets any better. Take Donte Greene for example, a guy people say doesn't have drive and isn't coachable... Year one he couldn't play because he didn't understand NBA defense, by year two he was a solid defender. Since then he put on weight to be a stretch four, then took off said weight, last year we all complained he was a terrible rebounder for his size, and look at his rebounding numbers this year (improved). I now JT works his butt off in the off season, Cousins came in lighter and quicker this year, Tyreke has improved his jumper. The areas we haven't improved are areas you need a coach for. Tyreke learning the nuances of being a pg within a set system. Our coach teaching basic offensive principles like pick and rolls, and creating matchup advantages for us instead of having guys like Kobe and Batum posting up Isiah Thomas. Why is Jimmer not being run around screens and shooting at least three set shot jumpers a game? Why is Ty Lawson allowed to guard Tyreke for a full game without being posted up once?

What was the Thunder's record the season Scott Brooks was hired mid season? What has that team been like since? I honestly think we have tremendous talent and provide tough matchups for lot's of teams in the league. The issue has been we pay the lowest salary for coaching in the entire NBA. Our coaching searches have been either owner driven by infatuation or by cheapness. Talent and players aren't the issue, something (anything) to guide that talent is.
 
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I'm getting really sick of the Evans hate around here. The guys has shown that he has the handles of a pg, works hard on defense, works to improve in the offseason. I'm completely not getting the he can't pass bit, since every game I see him create around 16 wide open shots for people that are promptly bricked/dribbled out of/fumbled. The guy doesn't grasp the nuances of being a pg yet but he isn't unwilling to pass. Do people remember how long the Kings went without a competent pg, let alone one that creates the problems for other teams that Tyreke does? Isn't the key aspect of being a PG the ability to break down a defense, force it to adjust and then make passes based on that? Isn't Tyreke as good as anyone at breaking down a defense? I see him pass out of breaking down a defense all the time. Sure Tyeke doesn't have all the subtle nuances of being a Point Guard down yet... that's normal! Steve Nash didn't come into the league as a great pg, neither did Stockton, Gary Payton, and a host of others. If people really think Tyreke Evans is our issue then they simply aren't watching, or have other motivations.

I feel like we're completely under valuing competent coaching. I see guys who have been with the team work to improve every off season individually but the team never gets any better. Take Donte Greene for example, a guy people say doesn't have drive and isn't coachable... Year one he couldn't play because he didn't understand NBA defense, by year two he was a solid defender. Since then he put on weight to be a stretch four, then took off said weight, last year we all complained he was a terrible rebounder for his size, and look at his rebounding numbers this year (improved). I now JT works his butt off in the off season, Cousins came in lighter and quicker this year, Tyreke has improved his jumper. The areas we haven't improved are areas you need a coach for. Tyreke learning the nuances of being a pg within a set system. Our coach teaching basic offensive principles like pick and rolls, and creating matchup advantages for us instead of having guys like Kobe and Batum posting up Isiah Thomas. Why is Jimmer not being run around screens and shooting at least three set shot jumpers a game? Why is Ty Lawson allowed to guard Tyreke for a full game without being posted up once?

What was the Thunder's record the season Scott Brooks was hired mid season? What has that team been like since? I honestly think we have tremendous talent and provide tough matchups for lot's of teams in the league. The issue has been we pay the lowest salary for coaching in the entire NBA. Our coaching searches have been either owner driven by infatuation or by cheapness. Talent and players aren't the issue, something (anything) to guide that talent is.
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thats a fine post my friend
 
I think the Kings problem is that their starting lineup has no roleplayers. The only players who should be starting are evans cousins and possibly thornton. Salmons needs to be benched and should only come off for defense at the sg spot.
 
I agreed with most of the Tyreke post and then I read...."I honestly think we have tremendous talent??" This team has no game.....JT and JJ, cant catch and have no feel around the hoop. John Salmons is horrid. Francisco Garcia's favorite part of the game is postgame hugs. Jimmer hasn't shown anything yet. IT is nice, but a 10-15 minute energy boost off the bench. Cousins has no opposite hand, gets his shot blocked a ton. Cousins does have a lot of upside and obviously would benefit from a Big Man coach. Thornton is OK, don't see him ever being more than a Jamal Crawford in this league. Travis Outlaw, Donte Greene, are 12th men. Tyreke was awesome his first year, and has just regressed, I can put my finger on how incosistant he is. Chuck Hayes is a good 20 minute big off the bench.

This equates to a bottom 5 talent pool in the league. There is no tremendous talent on this roster, just a couple nice pieces and a lot of junk
 
This is the worst possible situation for a team in any sport to be in. Being bad year after year, losing fans in droves, in the midst of a never ending failed rebuild, etc. It's a recipe for panic moves that are more likely to backfire than succeed. Blowing up the team at this point would be literally going back to square one and going through the last five years all over again. I'd rather wait it out and sink or swim with this group. If it's not working by the time Evans and Cousins rookie contracts are up, then chalk it up as a failure and start over. If they could trade Tyreke for Rondo and Cousins for LeMarcus Aldride or something, I'd say go for it but I don't think any trades like that are going to come along. More likely they'd end up selling Tyreke and DeMarcus low and getting rubbish in return. Just wait it out, all you can do really.
 
This isn't all about coaching. The roster doesn't work.

And we KNEW this before the season even started. Every single positive thing I said about this team started with 'If there are enough balls to go around'. And it wasn't just me, it was almost everyone. Well guess what? everything we thought about this team is true. Every damn thing.

We knew coaching would be an issue ... Westphal is gone.
We knew ball movement would be an issue (too many scorers) ... Watch this team and this is obvious.

What I didn't know is that Jimmer wasn't going to be able to shoot. I also didn't know Chuck Hayes was going to be injured. And I didn't know John Salmons aged by 10 years during the lockout. I didn't know JJ Hickson was this bad.

So not only did everything we thought would go wrong went wrong, but some things we couldn't possibly predict also went wrong ... and here we are. A bad team once again.

And all of these issues are small compared to the big issue not being talked about ... I don't think these guys like each other. I think JT and Donte like each other ... but I'm not sure anyone else on the team really gets along. You can tell Smart knows this too based on all of his 'family' comments, and how this team needs to start doing things with each other off the court.That bothers me a lot. The NBA season is long. Plane rides are long. Road trips are long. It can't help being forced to spend so much time with company you dislike.

I think a lot of the team is put off by how Demarcus carries himself. I think Evans is so far from a leader, and that hurts when he is the primary ball handler. I think the current starting unit in general has no leadership at all. Its just ... not a great group.
 
I'm starting to wonder how much of this may be related to the bad "culture" of the organization rather than the players themselves. I don't believe in curses or anything but I do believe that negative stigmas can get in people's heads and effect their performance. Or to put it another way, loser organizations generally have loser employees. You could argue that it's the employees making the organization fail rather than vice versa, but that's the chicken and the egg. All that matters is that once a company/organization gets stuck in the mire of loserdom, it kind of self perpetuates, dragging anyone in its midst down into the abyss.

Playing for the Kings is like working for the company that pays the least in its field, has the worst benefits package, the worst safety record, can’t keep its lease, etc. People, whether consciously or not probably aren’t going to perform as well for that company as they would a company that has its **** together.

It seems clear the Kings have become that company, the problem is, how do you change it?
 
And I didn't know John Salmons aged by 10 years during the lockout.
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Actually, this happened last year before the lockout. When the Salmons trade went down, someone wrote an article about how much Salmons had dropped off. It was probably Hollinger running a stats argument, but the reality was out there. The aging of Salmons happened last year and was visible to people, but apparently nobody in our FO.
 
Coach isn't the problem, it's the identity and rotations. Smart touched on it his first day in. If we had Reke and Cousins to play alongside a Rubio type, the team would be deadly. The problem is two of our key players, Evans and Cousins, are having identity issues. Reke is forcing himself to be a distributor or a scorer on any given night, and when he chooses one the other suffers. He's not there yet in being able to do both, but it will likely come. Cousins is trying to be a leader and a bruiser, and he can't reconcile both. Remember that several incredible players dealt with this same dichotomy (Malone, Shaq, Ewing), of how to be bad while being "good". Add to that we don't have a player that doesn't pass first besides Thomas and there you go. It's a simple fix, I feel- get a proven vet PG for Salmons, if you can, or at least trade a couple young projects to a team for a potential starting PG and move Thornton to the rotation. If it doesn't get us anywhere, then ask harder questions. But for now, I think it's just a need for gelling.
 
We need a few things, primarily a better balanced roster with some size.

We still need that lengthy defensive anchor in the front court to block and alter shots to pin down our interior defense. That anchor also needs to be a good rebounder who is not completely useless offensively (Dalembert anyone :rolleyes: )

We also need a veteran guard who can mix it up a bit and play both guard spots. A steady influence when the team needs it or goes into the one on one mode. (Beno anyone :rolleyes: )

We have invested some $19 million in our small forward yet none of them are bringing what we need. If we could combine them into one, then we would have something but we are currently constructed it is our most costly but also our worst position. Now part of that is because Salmons is in major funk. He has NEVER shot the ball this badly and seems to have lost that step defensively. This is definitely a major need.

I don't think we are as bad as people think or as bad as we are playing. We are a couple of good moves away from being a play off-team but I have no confidence in our ownership or front office making those moves. We managed to screw up in one off-season a lot of good things that we had going. We lost length and interior defence and exposed Cousins at that end of the court unnecessarily and in the process not utilizing him to the best way possible.

We traded a steady veteran who made our backcourt click in Beno. A player who was dependable and provided a steady head when this young team needed it. We tried to address the SF weakness but in the process we got the wrong type of player and traded away that steady vet presence that made the backcourt click.

We need to get back what we lost and we will be a lot better. We also need to solve the SF problem once and for all and if you add an experienced, proven coach to the mix, then we are well on the way.

I still believe that the core is here we just need to be a lot smarter in who we surround them with. In the off-season we went in a completely different direction than what we should have and its showing up.

The problem is, we have used a fair bit of our cap and flexibility to get worse and that is one thing that can quickly set you back a decade and keep you in that constant rebuilding cycle if we are not careful.
 
Prime13 said:
I agreed with most of the Tyreke post and then I read...."I honestly think we have tremendous talent??" This team has no game.....JT and JJ, cant catch and have no feel around the hoop. John Salmons is horrid. Francisco Garcia's favorite part of the game is postgame hugs. Jimmer hasn't shown anything yet. IT is nice, but a 10-15 minute energy boost off the bench. Cousins has no opposite hand, gets his shot blocked a ton. Cousins does have a lot of upside and obviously would benefit from a Big Man coach. Thornton is OK, don't see him ever being more than a Jamal Crawford in this league. Travis Outlaw, Donte Greene, are 12th men. Tyreke was awesome his first year, and has just regressed, I can put my finger on how incosistant he is. Chuck Hayes is a good 20 minute big off the bench.

This equates to a bottom 5 talent pool in the league. There is no tremendous talent on this roster, just a couple nice pieces and a lot of junk
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Agree 100% with this! I've been saying the same thing around here for months only to be shot down with how "deep" and how much "talent" we have! The roster is a mess!
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
I'm starting to wonder how much of this may be related to the bad "culture" of the organization rather than the players themselves. I don't believe in curses or anything but I do believe that negative stigmas can get in people's heads and effect their performance. Or to put it another way, loser organizations generally have loser employees. You could argue that it's the employees making the organization fail rather than vice versa, but that's the chicken and the egg. All that matters is that once a company/organization gets stuck in the mire of loserdom, it kind of self perpetuates, dragging anyone in its midst down into the abyss.

Playing for the Kings is like working for the company that pays the least in its field, has the worst benefits package, the worst safety record, can’t keep its lease, etc. People, whether consciously or not probably aren’t going to perform as well for that company as they would a company that has its **** together.

It seems clear the Kings have become that company, the problem is, how do you change it?
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You are right. There is a shorter way to say it. The Kings have become the Clippers. Heck, the Clippers aren't even the Clippers any more.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It seems clear the Kings have become that company, the problem is, how do you change it?
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1. New owners, nothing will change until this happens. The Kings are currently that company that doesn't know if it will make payroll month to month.

2. New front office. All Petrie had to do was draft Kawhi Leonard resign Thorton and Dalembert, not pick up Westphal's option and find a new coach. How much better would this team be:

C: Dalembert/Whiteside
PF: Cousins/Thompson/2nd Round(Instead of Honeycutt)
SF: Greene/Leonard/Casspi
SG: Thorton/Garcia
PG: Evans/Udrih/Thomas

I am sure if you took all the money we gave to Hayes+Outlaw+Salmons(-Beno)+Westphal that would have gotten Dalmbert to stay. It wasn't complicated.
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
1. New owners, nothing will change until this happens. The Kings are currently that company that doesn't know if it will make payroll month to month.

2. New front office. All Petrie had to do was draft Kawhi Leonard resign Thorton and Dalembert, not pick up Westphal's option and find a new coach. How much better would this team be:

C: Dalembert/Whiteside
PF: Cousins/Thompson/2nd Round(Instead of Honeycutt)
SF: Greene/Leonard/Casspi
SG: Thorton/Garcia
PG: Evans/Udrih/Thomas

I am sure if you took all the money we gave to Hayes+Outlaw+Salmons(-Beno)+Westphal that would have gotten Dalmbert to stay. It wasn't complicated.
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Yeah I am shocked about how bad the FO handled this offseason. Obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but from my perspective it was pretty obvious that all of the moves we made were bad from the get go. I had hoped that I was wrong and that maybe the team would be better, but they are right where they were last year, if not a little worse. I give the FO credit for drafting Reke and Cousins. But they really screwed up this summer.
 
They needed to trade Salmons as soon as they traded for him. They lost ballhandling when Beno was lost, and then they lost even more ballhandling when they got Salmons in return. They need a quality vet ballhandling pg. How 'bout a guy who is a step above Beno? A guy who will be a floor general. Then they need the GM and the coaches to give players clear goals about what they expect to accomplish in the off-season. If the players don't want to do the work to accomplish those goals, then it's time to trade them. It's all about clarity, discipline, and attention to detail.
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
1. New owners, nothing will change until this happens. The Kings are currently that company that doesn't know if it will make payroll month to month.

2. New front office. All Petrie had to do was draft Kawhi Leonard resign Thorton and Dalembert, not pick up Westphal's option and find a new coach. How much better would this team be:

C: Dalembert/Whiteside
PF: Cousins/Thompson/2nd Round(Instead of Honeycutt)
SF: Greene/Leonard/Casspi
SG: Thorton/Garcia
PG: Evans/Udrih/Thomas

I am sure if you took all the money we gave to Hayes+Outlaw+Salmons(-Beno)+Westphal that would have gotten Dalmbert to stay. It wasn't complicated.
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You do know that Dalembert took less money to play elsewhere, right? He didn't want to come back to Sacramento. And Whiteside as a backup center is ridiculous. He's nowhere near ready to play in the NBA. Not unless he gets a much better attitude than he's displayed so far and improves his game, too.
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
1. New owners, nothing will change until this happens. The Kings are currently that company that doesn't know if it will make payroll month to month.

2. New front office. All Petrie had to do was draft Kawhi Leonard resign Thorton and Dalembert, not pick up Westphal's option and find a new coach. How much better would this team be:

C: Dalembert/Whiteside
PF: Cousins/Thompson/2nd Round(Instead of Honeycutt)
SF: Greene/Leonard/Casspi
SG: Thorton/Garcia
PG: Evans/Udrih/Thomas

I am sure if you took all the money we gave to Hayes+Outlaw+Salmons(-Beno)+Westphal that would have gotten Dalmbert to stay. It wasn't complicated.
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Dally didnt want to be here, but I agree with all other points. Leonard was the guy I wanted in this past draft too (I even had a sig!), and to see him playng GREAT as a heavy minute starter for the Spurs hurts. The Beno/7th for Salmons/Jimmer trade was horrendous. Extending Westphail was horrible given his coaching style (worse guy ever to teach youngins the NBA ropes). Maloofs/Petrie are running this team into the ground.


Now...As for the question posed by the OP: Cousins is the untouchable. Reke should only be traded for a stud (Rondo, Westbrook, et cetra). I would like to keep our roleplayers (Greene/JT), but those guys could be valuable throw ins. The two I'd most like to see traded are JJ and Thornton. Not only do those guys (hopefully) still have decent value, but I think they are major culprits in how bad our team chemistry is. Both are inefficient gunners who dont play team ball or defense. If we can ship them off for some great roleplayers, lets do it.
 
gunks said:
Dally didnt want to be here, but I agree with all other points. Leonard was the guy I wanted in this past draft too (I even had a sig!), and to see him playng GREAT as a heavy minute starter for the Spurs hurts. The Beno/7th for Salmons/Jimmer trade was horrendous. Extending Westphail was horrible given his coaching style (worse guy ever to teach youngins the NBA ropes). Maloofs/Petrie are running this team into the ground.


Now...As for the question posed by the OP: Cousins is the untouchable. Reke should only be traded for a stud (Rondo, Westbrook, et cetra). I would like to keep our roleplayers (Greene/JT), but those guys could be valuable throw ins. The two I'd most like to see traded are JJ and Thornton. Not only do those guys (hopefully) still have decent value, but I think they are major culprits in how bad our team chemistry is. Both are inefficient gunners who dont play team ball or defense. If we can ship them off for some great roleplayers, lets do it.
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We need a big 3 of some type to win anything. We can't trade Thornton for role players. I am not completely sold on Thornton as the 3rd part of our big 3 because I don't know if he is really the best pairing with Reke. However, 3rd year guards capable of putting up 20 a game are not all that common so if we do trade him it has to be for a stud level SF. A super role player if you will. I think in a couple of years you can win with Cousins as the main option and Reke as the 2nd guy. I also think Thornton can be a 3rd guy on a contending team. I just wonder if Thornton is the right 3rd guy for this team.

I think Hickson, Salmons, and possibly Jimmer should go now and we should bring in defensive role players/distributors instead. If Reke(20 ppg), Thornton(20ppg), and Cousins(25 ppg) are all playing to their full ability, you only need 35 ppg or so from the remaining 5 or 6 guys.
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
1. New owners, nothing will change until this happens. The Kings are currently that company that doesn't know if it will make payroll month to month.

2. New front office. All Petrie had to do was draft Kawhi Leonard resign Thorton and Dalembert, not pick up Westphal's option and find a new coach. How much better would this team be:

C: Dalembert/Whiteside
PF: Cousins/Thompson/2nd Round(Instead of Honeycutt)
SF: Greene/Leonard/Casspi
SG: Thorton/Garcia
PG: Evans/Udrih/Thomas

I am sure if you took all the money we gave to Hayes+Outlaw+Salmons(-Beno)+Westphal that would have gotten Dalmbert to stay. It wasn't complicated.
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The Casspi-Hickson trade, despite J.J.'s pretty uninspiring play, can stand. It's not as if Casspi has been doing anything for the Cavs. Also, I don't mind the Hayes pickup, even though Dalembert (who might've stayed without westphal) still is preferable. Otherwise, yes, you're spot on. The draft day trade has been horrendous this far and giving Westphal another shot was equally bad (although he admittedly seemed to be figuring it out late last season, what happened this year was not foreseeable, at least not to the extent it happened).
 
jalfa said:
The Casspi-Hickson trade, despite J.J.'s pretty uninspiring play, can stand. It's not as if Casspi has been doing anything for the Cavs. Also, I don't mind the Hayes pickup, even though Dalembert (who might've stayed without westphal) still is preferable. Otherwise, yes, you're spot on. The draft day trade has been horrendous this far and giving Westphal another shot was equally bad (although he admittedly seemed to be figuring it out late last season, what happened this year was not foreseeable, at least not to the extent it happened).
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I have no problem with trading Casspi for Hickson. Neither is doing anything earth shattering so far this season. So the trade would be wash, if not for the first round pick we also threw into the deal.
 
kennadog said:
You do know that Dalembert took less money to play elsewhere, right? He didn't want to come back to Sacramento. And Whiteside as a backup center is ridiculous. He's nowhere near ready to play in the NBA. Not unless he gets a much better attitude than he's displayed so far and improves his game, too.
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Ever asked yourself WHY Dalembert took less money else where?!

Maybe, just maybe the organization or something within it stinks hence why we can't keep players for even more money?! I love it how people point the finger at Dalembert here yet failed to look into our own backyard to find the reasoning behind it. Dalembert is not the only one that has been less than complementary about our organization. Surely we are not that insular to always point the finger the the player that comments on it. Surely it can't be a case of we are right and everyone else is wrong.
 
Čarolija said:
Ever asked yourself WHY Dalembert took less money else where?!

Maybe, just maybe the organization or something within it stinks hence why we can't keep players for even more money?! I love it how people point the finger at Dalembert here yet failed to look into our own backyard to find the reasoning behind it. Dalembert is not the only one that has been less than complementary about our organization. Surely we are not that insular to always point the finger the the player that comments on it. Surely it can't be a case of we are right and everyone else is wrong.
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I tend to agree with this premise. This organization reeks of dysfunction. Top to bottom. I don't believe it was as simple as Daly just wanted to play in Hou because it's a better fit for him.

Judging by how screwed up everything appears to be behind the scenes, and how much of a failure Westy's tenure was, I personally believe there is more which went on, which led to Daly looking to play just about anywhere but here.

If this was a corporation, it'd be near bankruptcy. If it was a political campaign, it'd be an utter failure. Yet because it's sports, it appears the FO and the Maloofs are not held to that same standard by some. I personally don't get it.

I wish the NBA was more like Euro soccer in a sense, because over there the teams care MUCH more what the supporters think, have sitdowns with the supporters, and usually have an open dialogue between the two. Clubs apologize to their supporters for not following through on their promises, or simply for not upholding a high enough standard.

Yet here, the fans don't mean s***, and on top of that many fans give a free pass simply because they're a fan. All we have to do is look at all the fans who thought we had a successful off season heading into the year. Mind boggling.

The lowest payroll in the league says it all. The Maloofs said they spent this summer, yet every single team spent more. We got what we paid for. Cheap coach plus cheap players will usually equate to a poor record. Surprising isn't it.
 
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People are getting bogged down in the minutia. I believe his premise is: 4-6 years into a rebuild, the Kings are selling that this team is close to turning a corner. The implication is that, like the Thunder, we’ve got the building blocks we need going forward and we just need time, growth, a better, coach and some veterans.

The Kings are entering their 4th season in a row where they will have among the lowest payrolls in the league, among the worst defenses in the league, and among the worst records. It’s like watching a four year train wreck. More disturbing, it appears that ownership and management is either incapable or unable to change the course.

Cousins will become a star, flame out, or somewhere in between. So he’s certainly worth keeping, but at this point he’s so volatile you can’t bank on him as the corner stone of whatever they are building.

Evans is a good player, but if he’s “the guy” and this team is “talented” at some point, he’s got to lift the team above a winning percentage of .300. I think the blame goes both ways. To me, he’s a shooting guard that isn’t a great shooter. They tried to make him a point, then moved him off the ball, and now he’s back. The Kings are killing him. I think he’s a very good player, but with his skill set it makes no sense for the Kings to put three streaky shooters around him (Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer, who all play like shooting guards). Conversely, Evans is such a unique player that he limits the Kings’ moves. When the Kings are looking for point guards, they can’t even consider a guy like Andre Miller. If Evans can get back on the track to being a top 15 player, then fine dictate the moves around him. The 76ers built some unique rosters to fit around Iverson’s skill set. But the Pistons and Wizards failed miserably at trying to build teams around Jerry Stackhouse. (Evans is more of a point, better handle, ect., but the point remains. It’s hard to build around an unconventional player.)

If you don’t know what you’ve got in Cousins and it’s not clear where Evans will play, and you’ve loaded the roster with shooting guards. It’s not time to rebuild, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that they’ll have to significantly blow up this roster again in the next 12-18 months.
 
kennadog said:
You do know that Dalembert took less money to play elsewhere, right? He didn't want to come back to Sacramento. And Whiteside as a backup center is ridiculous. He's nowhere near ready to play in the NBA. Not unless he gets a much better attitude than he's displayed so far and improves his game, too.
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We don't know that Dalembert didn't want to come back. I think an oft overlooked part of this thing is that we've basically admitted to pursuing Hayes instead and only restarting negotiations once Hayes has his health scare. For all we know, Dally wanted to come back and was just insulted with how we handled things.
 
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